OT: Question about Office 2013

[Stan Brown]

I'm just being nosy so ignore me if you like, but... if your mail or
news client doesn't do multiple sigs, can't you maintain a library of
alternatives in Notepad or whatever, and just paste the appropriate one
in at the end of your message?

That's one of the several uses I have for Autohotkey.

 

[Stan Brown]

How would you suggest getting a company logo in the email? Would you
write: P.S. if you want to see our logo, open the attachment?

There is no good reason to put your company logo in the email. All
it does is waste bandwidth; there's no actual information there.

 

[Peter Taylor]

There is no good reason to put your company logo in the email. All
it does is waste bandwidth; there's no actual information there.

I can see you either don't run your own business or you run it badly.
Name recognition ring a bell? Worrying about wasting bandwidth went out
when broadband made the scene or do you still use dial up?

 

[Peter Taylor]

One might argue that any mail client that sends out HTML is _not_
"doing the job properly".

And one would be wrong.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On 2/22/2013 4:32 PM, Mike Barnes wrote: []

This doesn't help if an HTML message is what you've got to forward, but
it's perfectly easy to embed images in plain text e-mail. You wouldn't
guess that from the name "plain text", but it's true.

I was going to say you think so, but they're all at the end, but I had a
look at your headers: hello fellow Turnpike user!

However, I've yet to find _any_ other news/mail client that can handle
_truly_ embedded images, in the standards-compliant way Turnpike sends
them. At best, they present the images as attachments, _and any text
following the picture attachment is also presented as an attachment_
(or, in some cases, just discarded altogether).

I don't think any other client even offers _embedding_ images in plain
text emails; they can only add them as attachments. (Even where they use
HTML, the images aren't _really_ embedded, but attached at the end, with
links in the text.)
Thinking about it, I don't think I have (I just _may_ have _attached_ an
HTML file, though I can't remember doing so); I think I probably won't
either, not least because I now can't remember how to. That's at home;
at work, where we have Outlook, I send maybe 10% non-plain-text, mainly
because of others who do (though 2010 can't edit at all properly unless
forced back to plain text, and sadly Outlook-Quotefix doesn't work with
it and I'm unaware of any replacement).

That sounds like a pretty crummy e-mail client you've got there. If it
can display a logo in an HTML message, why can't it display one in a
plain text message?

See above - none can AFAIK.

Anyway, I'm not a company, so I don't need to include a logo. And as a
*reader*, all I want to know is the company name, which can be written
in plain text. I have no need or desire to see a logo. Unless someone
can explain how it would benefit me.

Not _you_, but the sending company: logo recognition _does_ have a place
(otherwise companies wouldn't "do" logos). And curmudgeons like you (and
to some extent me!) probably aren't a major part of their customer base.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Astaire was, of course, peerless, but it's worth remembering that Rogers does
everything he does, only backwards and in high heels. - Barry Norman in Radio
Times 5-11 January 2013

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On 02/20/2013 07:54 PM, Char Jackson wrote: []

What problem were you having with your older version of MS Office and docx
files?

It would not open them, of course I was using Office 2000
which I still have installed.

The free Compatibility Pack should take care of that.
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3>

I couldn't remember if I'd installed that, so I created a text file,
changed its name to test.docx, and activated it, and it opened in Word
(2003 in my case) rather than asking what to do with it, so I must have.

Are there versions of the compatibility pack such that I might not have
the latest, and if so is there any way of finding which I have and which
is the latest? (Alternatively, is there any harm in just getting it and
installing it again?)

 

[Bob Henson]

That's one of the several uses I have for Autohotkey.

I use it similarly - and for many other things too. I have no idea how I
managed without AutoHotkey for all those years.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, Char Jackson

The free Compatibility Pack should take care of that.
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3>

[]
Are there versions of the compatibility pack such that I might not have
the latest, and if so is there any way of finding which I have and
which is the latest? (Alternatively, is there any harm in just getting

To answer the middle part of my own question, I see from the above page
when it finally loaded that the current is version 4, published 1/6/2010
(which I presume means 6/1/2010). Though I still don't know what version
I have, nor if ...

it and installing it again?)

.... that would do any harm.

 

[Mike Barnes]

That's one of the several uses I have for Autohotkey.

That's exactly the sort of program I had in mind. I use Autohotkey with
my mail client, not for sigs (no help needed there) but to change a
reply's "From" address to match the "To" address of the message I'm
replying to (I have *lots* of addresses).

 

[Mike Barnes]

I can see you either don't run your own business or you run it badly.
*differently*

Name recognition ring a bell?

I can recognise a company name by reading it.

Worrying about wasting bandwidth went out when broadband made the scene
or do you still use dial up?

"Mobile phone" ring a bell?

 

[Mike Barnes]

Thinking about it, I don't think I have (I just _may_ have _attached_
an HTML file, though I can't remember doing so);

I did that once. The recipient didn't know what to do with it, and his
client software was no help.

 

[Sam Hill]

... that the current is version 4, published 1/6/2010 (which I presume
means 6/1/2010).

Microsoft is in the U.S., so the date is January 6, 2010.

We USians would interpret 6/1/2010 as June 1st. (Yeah, I know it's all
silly, innit?)

 

[Peter Taylor]

That's exactly the sort of program I had in mind. I use Autohotkey with
my mail client, not for sigs (no help needed there) but to change a
reply's "From" address to match the "To" address of the message I'm
replying to (I have *lots* of addresses).

Outlook does that without any need for an add on. So does Thunderbird
for that matter.

 

[Peter Taylor]

True.


I can recognise a company name by reading it.

Not the point.

"Mobile phone" ring a bell?

Anyone who surfs with a toy that has very, very, very limited bandwidth
is an idiot. BTW, my logo is less than 4K in size. Can your limited
bandwidth handle that?

 

[Chris S.]

Oh man! IMHO you are way off. For starters, the Motion Computing LE1700 is
called by some as the best PC Tablet ever created to date. And quite
frankly, I have never found a better one myself yet.

I have 30+ machines here and my all time favorite chipset is the Intel
Core2 Duo with the Intel 945GM. Many manufactures used them and I find
them highly reliable and super compatible. Two of my LE1700 uses them too.
I never ran into a Windows version problem or a driver issue problem with
this chipset from XP all the way to Windows 8. Which is another reason why
I like them so much.

Yes, I have spent zillions of hours in the last few decades finding out
why a program failed. Then I report it with documentation to the
developer. And most of the time, they fix it.

Then one day I looked back and asked myself was it all worth it? Hell no
it wasn't. If I had to do it all over again, I would have never bothered.
As why should I use my professional skills to help out a company that I
don't even care about for free? What do I get out of the deal? Nothing but
lots of lost time.

And no, I wasn't using the LE1700 with the onscreen keyboard. Sure it is
fine for web browsing, reading emails and viewing newsgroups, and playing
videos and all. But for composing posts, word processing, spreadsheets,
etc? Hell no! That isn't productive at all.

No I usually dock my PC Tablets most of the time. Same is true when I
tried Libre Office as well. I was simply cutting and pasting from the
newsgroup editor and composing my replies in Libre Office. No not normally
necessary, but you get to use the word processor a lot and get a good feel
for it. It pasted just fine. Although when I started to add my comments,
Libre would constantly freeze up.

I could do this under any text editor or word processor I ever tried and I
never had a problem. No I bet this is clearly a problem with Libre itself.
If it was something else like a driver, hardware, or something else, I
would see it in other programs as well.

I am also very good at finding bugs that many people miss. Probably due to
my EE and programming background. I don't know why, but I often catch a
bug even while somebody is using their computer and I say wait, that
wasn't right. And the user totally missed the bug they ran across. Just
not very observant I suppose and too busy clicking on stuff and not
noticing what is happening elsewhere.

And you never had a problem with OO or LO... well that is great for you. I
for one couldn't say that. For example, OO spell checker always said
everything is spelled correctly under Xandros Linux. Uninstalling,
reinstalling, trying different versions and nothing. It just never worked.

And I am not alone with problems. Just do a search and you find tons of
others of having problems too. OO and LO could be the worst office apps
ever created. They are surely the worst ones I ever used.

"Probably due to my EE and programming background."

I thought we had dismissed that assertion some time ago...

Chris

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

... that the current is version 4, published 1/6/2010 (which I presume
means 6/1/2010).

Microsoft is in the U.S., so the date is January 6, 2010.

We USians would interpret 6/1/2010 as June 1st. (Yeah, I know it's all
silly, innit?)
[/QUOTE]
I know, I was just tweaking the tail (-:. (I _do_ think that the US way
is rather illogical when expressed as numbers [Jan 6 2010 wouldn't look
quite so wrong], as it isn't big-endian or little-endian. And
Independence Day, for some reason, is often given the other way round!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The boffins think the artists ... frivolous, living off the hard graft of those
who... create the comfortable ... life that makes the money for art possible.
The artist ... look ... down on the scientists as dull mechanics, ... worthy but
lacking the spiritual dimension ..." (Polly Toynbee, Radio Times 8-14 May 1999.)

 

[BillW50]

"Probably due to my EE and programming background."

I thought we had dismissed that assertion some time ago...

Chris

Nonsense, here is a post from alt.comp.os.windows-8 I just posted a few
hours earlier that tells more about it.

*****

Oh yes, I am well familiar how life was with some civilian EE. I was
keeping track of everything while I was still in the military. When Gary
Kildall created CP/M, I thought that was just child's play compared to
what I was doing and I know I could do it far better.

Then the Altair came out. I thought that too was no match compared to
what I was doing and that also was merely just a toy compared to the
things I was building. Then Paul Allen and Bill Gates came out with
Basic for the Altair, that too was far too simple compared to the things
I was doing. For example, programming the VTAS computer for guided
missiles was far more complex compared to what Paul Allen and Bill Gates
had ever done in their lives.

It would have been really nice if I could have shared everything I knew
with the rest of the computing community back then. But I couldn't, one
I was still in the military. And two, most of what I knew was classified
technology and I couldn't share it even if I wanted to. I was not alone,
their were others also doing remarkable things that the world would
never know about.

Getting a military EE degree was far harder than getting a civilian EE
degree. As they were only interested in the cream of the crop and all
others were reassigned for other jobs that may not even have anything to
do even with simple electronics. And 95% of my original class was
reassigned. So few ever made it that far.

You had to keep up at least an A- average to stay in class. I didn't
really apply myself as much as I could, just good enough to stay in
class (so I thought). But when I graduated, they told me I had the
highest tests scores they had seen in the last 5 years. And they were so
impressed, they let me do something I never heard of them doing before.
They let me pick any place I wanted to go next. I said how about Hawaii?
And they said sure, no problem. So I lived in Hawaii during the Vietnam
war. So that wasn't a really bad deal at all. Now I wonder what would
have happened if I really applied myself in school?

After the military I got a job as an EE at Philips. In the military, it
was perfectly fine to do your best. If you did anything less, you would
get reassigned to do something else. Although I didn't know in the
civilian world, you shouldn't always do your best. Because I ended up
flying all over the world helping other engineers solve their problems
that they couldn't figure out. Boy that was really just a miserable
life. Spending all of your time just working on the hardest problems in
the world and living out of a suitcase and rarely ever seeing your
friends and family ever again. :-(

*****

Another post earlier there I stated if you have a military EE degree,
you are far more likely to get an EE job because most companies knows
you had to be exceptional to get that far and the classes are the best
in the world (they don't screw around, if you are not the best you could
end of the rest of your time digging ditches or worse).

And I never had a problem getting an EE job at anywhere I applied at
including Philips, Hitachi, Apple, etc. While I do also have my military
diplomas, all I had to do is to show my DD214 which list them anyway and
that was more than enough. I have no idea why you think a military EE
diploma is useless in the real world, because it really is just the
opposite.

 

[Mike Barnes]

Anyone who surfs with a toy that has very, very, very limited bandwidth
is an idiot.

We were talking about e-mail, not surfing.

BTW, my logo is less than 4K in size. Can your limited bandwidth handle
that?

That 4K is a drop in the ocean compared with the bloat of HTML e-mails
generally. Not that bandwidth (in the sense I think you mean it) is the
worst of the problems with HTML e-mail.

 

[Mike Barnes]

Outlook does that without any need for an add on. So does Thunderbird
for that matter.

That's good to know, but there are lots of reasons I won't be switching
any time soon.

 

[Chris S.]

Nonsense, here is a post from alt.comp.os.windows-8 I just posted a few
hours earlier that tells more about it.

*****

Oh yes, I am well familiar how life was with some civilian EE. I was
keeping track of everything while I was still in the military. When Gary
Kildall created CP/M, I thought that was just child's play compared to
what I was doing and I know I could do it far better.

Then the Altair came out. I thought that too was no match compared to what
I was doing and that also was merely just a toy compared to the things I
was building. Then Paul Allen and Bill Gates came out with Basic for the
Altair, that too was far too simple compared to the things I was doing.
For example, programming the VTAS computer for guided missiles was far
more complex compared to what Paul Allen and Bill Gates had ever done in
their lives.

It would have been really nice if I could have shared everything I knew
with the rest of the computing community back then. But I couldn't, one I
was still in the military. And two, most of what I knew was classified
technology and I couldn't share it even if I wanted to. I was not alone,
their were others also doing remarkable things that the world would never
know about.

Getting a military EE degree was far harder than getting a civilian EE
degree. As they were only interested in the cream of the crop and all
others were reassigned for other jobs that may not even have anything to
do even with simple electronics. And 95% of my original class was
reassigned. So few ever made it that far.

You had to keep up at least an A- average to stay in class. I didn't
really apply myself as much as I could, just good enough to stay in class
(so I thought). But when I graduated, they told me I had the highest tests
scores they had seen in the last 5 years. And they were so impressed, they
let me do something I never heard of them doing before. They let me pick
any place I wanted to go next. I said how about Hawaii? And they said
sure, no problem. So I lived in Hawaii during the Vietnam war. So that
wasn't a really bad deal at all. Now I wonder what would have happened if
I really applied myself in school?

After the military I got a job as an EE at Philips. In the military, it
was perfectly fine to do your best. If you did anything less, you would
get reassigned to do something else. Although I didn't know in the
civilian world, you shouldn't always do your best. Because I ended up
flying all over the world helping other engineers solve their problems
that they couldn't figure out. Boy that was really just a miserable life.
Spending all of your time just working on the hardest problems in the
world and living out of a suitcase and rarely ever seeing your friends and
family ever again. :-(

*****

Another post earlier there I stated if you have a military EE degree, you
are far more likely to get an EE job because most companies knows you had
to be exceptional to get that far and the classes are the best in the
world (they don't screw around, if you are not the best you could end of
the rest of your time digging ditches or worse).

And I never had a problem getting an EE job at anywhere I applied at
including Philips, Hitachi, Apple, etc. While I do also have my military
diplomas, all I had to do is to show my DD214 which list them anyway and
that was more than enough. I have no idea why you think a military EE
diploma is useless in the real world, because it really is just the
opposite.

Your propensity, no.. NEED for self aggrandizement is amazing....
I have not "belittled" your enlisted man training in any way. Merely noted
that you
are not a degreed Engineer.

Chris