S
Scott
Apart from additional features and interfaces, is software that is six
years more up to date and written for Windows 8 rather than for Vista
likely to be more stable and less prone to errors?
years more up to date and written for Windows 8 rather than for Vista
likely to be more stable and less prone to errors?
S
Scott
I need Access so I think I will be sticking with Microsoft Office. MyI'm using it, as I got a free upgrade from Office 2010 to Office 2013
since I got 2010 Pro with a new computer I got last week. I'm only a
week into using it but I'm happy with it so far as it has better
integration into Windows 8 for touchscreen use than the Office 2010 that
I used for quite a while before. Colours/skins are more in keeping with
Win 8 theme too.
The license restricting it to the one hardware, never to transfer to
another machine, is a bit of a bummer though, because this is expensive
shit to buy, but I wanted to try the full product, and the Office 360
didn't offer a commercial-use license, which I needed, and I don't want
my business files ever in the cloud.
If you don't need Access and Publisher, and don't need a commercial
license then the 360 might be a viable option.
A couple of people have suggested you could consider Libre Office
instead. If your needs are very basic that might be another (and free)
way to go, but in my experience it doesn't render some of my Office
documents with any great accuracy, so I can't use it. But it costs you
nothing to download and is probably the better of the free alternatives.
question is really whether Office 2013 will be more stable and 2007.
Six years is a long time in software development terms.
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
I don't really _mind_ the ribbon, apart from the space it takes up; myBob Henson said:Heartily agreed! I too was given versions up to 2007 - so I had to use
them, but could see little or no advantage (in fact a couple of useful
things disappeared). The older ones were much easier to use (the ribbon
idea is hopeless). I suppose if you use some of the really sophisticated
main dislike of it is unfamiliarity (I knew the keyboard sequences by
heart for the older versions). I'm gradually learning how to do things
under the new versions.
Well, I find Word 2003's table functions improved (especially vertical(read that as "unnecessarily complicated") features, you might find an
advantage but, like you, I have yet to see anything better than Office 97.
centering in cells) over '97, but then the fact that I do tables in word
rather than Excel probably marks me out as an "unnecessarily
complicated" feature user anyway.
(Excel is designed for calculations. However, most people think "I want
a table: therefore I must use a spreadsheet." Word's - and, possibly,
other word processors' - table features are far more versatile than
Excel's, if you _don't_ want to do sums on the contents.)
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message <[email protected]>, Scott
any improvement in stability.
It depends whether the addition of the "additional features" countersApart from additional features and interfaces, is software that is six
years more up to date and written for Windows 8 rather than for Vista
likely to be more stable and less prone to errors?
any improvement in stability.
S
Scott
I'm sure it does! What I am asking is whether overall software thatIn message <[email protected]>, Scott
It depends whether the addition of the "additional features" counters
any improvement in stability.
is six years more up to date (than Office 2007) is better software
'under the bonnet'.
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Better as in can do more, almost certainly. (Whether you use the more itScott said:I'm sure it does! What I am asking is whether overall software that
is six years more up to date (than Office 2007) is better software
'under the bonnet'.
can do will vary from user to user.)
Better in terms of the quality of the underlying code, I rather doubt.
They _will_ have fixed some bugs; they will also have introduced some
with the new features. Which is greater, we don't know. I also would
expect the _efficiency_ of the coding to have gone down, as compilers
continue to drop in efficiency in favour of ease of use; whether this
actually matters in a world of ever-increasing processor power and
ever-cheaper disc and memory, is a never-ending debate.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
.... her greatest triumph to date has been doggy-paddling to each area of the
shipping forecast. - Eddie Mair (on Charlotte Green), Radio Times 13-19
October 2012
C
Char Jackson
I agree with you regarding (un)familiarity, but I can't complain about theI don't really _mind_ the ribbon, apart from the space it takes up; my
main dislike of it is unfamiliarity (I knew the keyboard sequences by
heart for the older versions). I'm gradually learning how to do things
under the new versions.
space used by the ribbon. It's pretty easy to minimize it when not needed.
<http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/videos/video-minimize-the-ribbon-VA101838252.aspx>
D
dweebken
Doesn't take up any space on my system unless I want it. I have itI don't really _mind_ the ribbon, apart from the space it takes up;
collapsed most of the time.
D
dweebken
Interpret what you wish, here's what the the 24-page license on myBut if you read the entire article, there appears to be another
interpretation.
installed copy of Office 2013 Pro says:
How can I use the software? We do not sell our software or your copy of
it – we only license it. Under our license we grant you the right to
install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer)
for use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
terms of this agreement. Our software license is permanently assigned to
the licensed computer.
Can I transfer the software to another computer or user? You may not
transfer the software to another computer or user. You may transfer
the software directly to a third party only as installed on the licensed
computer, with the Certificate of Authenticity label and this agreement.
Before the transfer, that party must agree that this agreement applies
to the transfer and use of the software. You may not retain any copies.
D. ACTIVATION
1. More on How Activation Works. During activation, the software will
send information about the software and your computer to Microsoft. This
information includes the version, license version, language, and product
key of the software, the Internet protocol address of the computer, and
information derived from the hardware configuration of the computer. For
more information about activation, see
microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx. If the licensed computer is
connected to the Internet, the software will automatically connect to
Microsoft for activation. You can also activate the software manually by
Internet or telephone. In either case, Internet and telephone service
charges may apply.
2. Re-activation. Some changes to your computer components or the
software may require re-activation of the software.
P
philo
Interpret what you wish, here's what the the 24-page license on my
installed copy of Office 2013 Pro says:
How can I use the software? We do not sell our software or your copy of
it – we only license it. Under our license we grant you the right to
install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer)
for use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
terms of this agreement. Our software license is permanently assigned to
the licensed computer.
Can I transfer the software to another computer or user? You may not
transfer the software to another computer or user. You may transfer
the software directly to a third party only as installed on the licensed
computer, with the Certificate of Authenticity label and this agreement.
Before the transfer, that party must agree that this agreement applies
to the transfer and use of the software. You may not retain any copies.
D. ACTIVATION
1. More on How Activation Works. During activation, the software will
send information about the software and your computer to Microsoft. This
information includes the version, license version, language, and product
key of the software, the Internet protocol address of the computer, and
information derived from the hardware configuration of the computer. For
more information about activation, see
microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx. If the licensed computer is
connected to the Internet, the software will automatically connect to
Microsoft for activation. You can also activate the software manually by
Internet or telephone. In either case, Internet and telephone service
charges may apply.
2. Re-activation. Some changes to your computer components or the
software may require re-activation of the software.
Sheesh, no way would I ever buy that product.
P
Peter Taylor
They don't want you to buy. They want you to rent.Sheesh, no way would I ever buy that product.
K
Ken Blake
Interpret what you wish, here's what the the 24-page license on my
installed copy of Office 2013 Pro says:
How can I use the software? We do not sell our software or your copy of
it – we only license it. Under our license we grant you the right to
install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer)
for use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the
terms of this agreement. Our software license is permanently assigned to
the licensed computer.
Can I transfer the software to another computer or user? You may not
transfer the software to another computer or user.
Yes, it's clear that what I said was wrong. My apologies.
P
philo
On 02/19/2013 08:56 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
It would be utter disaster for anyone who's computer unexpectedly died!They don't want you to buy. They want you to rent.
P
Peter Taylor
I'm happy with Office 2003.On 02/19/2013 08:56 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
It would be utter disaster for anyone who's computer unexpectedly died!
P
philo
I'm happy with Office 2003.
I'd probably still be using an old version were it not for me now
getting docx all the time.
Libre Office does the job for me now.
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
But they produced a free docx viewer, and I think even a free (to peoplephilo said:On 02/20/2013 11:00 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: [](Me too.)I'm happy with Office 2003.
I'd probably still be using an old version were it not for me now
getting docx all the time.
Libre Office does the job for me now.
who'd bought 2003) addon to let it open docxs.
I presume they've dropped that policy (i. e. any new format _won't_ be
accompanied by viewers or openers).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
`Where a calculator on the Eniac is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
weighs
30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps
weigh 1.5 tons.' Popular Mechanics, March 1949 (quoted in Computing 1999-12-16)
P
Peter Taylor
2003 can handle them.I'd probably still be using an old version were it not for me now
getting docx all the time.
I need Outlook.Libre Office does the job for me now.
C
Char Jackson
What problem were you having with your older version of MS Office and docxI'd probably still be using an old [MS Office] version were it not for
me now getting docx all the time.
Libre Office does the job for me now.
files?
X
XS11E
Ditto and I need 100% compatibility with MSFT Office which Libre OfficeI need Outlook.
et. al. do NOT have.
If you work on Word, Excel or Access files at home and then send them
back to the office you'll find that ONLY MSFT Office will preserve
formatting when transferring files between computers.
P
philo
What problem were you having with your older version of MS Office and docxI'd probably still be using an old [MS Office] version were it not for
me now getting docx all the time.
Libre Office does the job for me now.
files?
It would not open them, of course I was using Office 2000
which I still have installed.
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