No email on W-7

[Ken Blake]

How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in the
software to send the message to the NSP? If you have an email address in
the software, then you'll get email downloaded to it.

I must be missing your point, since I don't understand the sentence
"How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in
the software to send the message to the NSP." Can you elucidate?


I use Forte Agent 6.0 only as a newsreader (I use Outlook 2010 for
e-mail). Although Agent *does* have e-mail capability, I don't use it,
and don't have it set up for e-mail at all. Agent doesn't know what my
e-mail address is. And replying to a NG in Agent is no problem, as you
can see since you are reading my reply.

 

[Ken Springer]

Like all of you, I'm also unhappy about the lack of documentation
these days. But not getting that "library of books" has helped keep
the cost of software down.

But what stops them from putting the documentation on their website as a
PDF file?


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 13.0.1
Thunderbird 13.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2

 

[RH Breener]

It's a thing called progress. How many new cars sold today come with a
8-track tape player?

There's no comparison between the ultra bloated WLM and WM. CDs and DVDs
are an improvement over 8-track tapes. WLM is no improvement over WM. If
most people were happy with WLM, there wouldn't be so many websites devoted
to getting WL to work on W7.

 

[Char Jackson]

Opera's email client used to do the Usenet, I used it years ago, so I
suspect it still does the Usenet.

I like how you call it 'the Usenet'. You remind me of someone I know
in Real Life.

 

[RH Breener]

Hi, RH,

Two things:


First.........

I've just read through this entire thread of messages as it exists at this
moment, saw no one with any real information about your Gmail issue.

Some time back, I was helping a friend in setting up his Thunderbird
client, and we had a lot of problems getting the results we expected. To
put it mildly, we were getting pi$$ed! LOL

Turns out, Google/Gmail handles mail differently than many if not most
places. It wasn't until we really got into how you needed to configure
Gmail at Gmail's end that we finally started to see the results we wanted.

Moral of this short story? It's best if you go to Gmail and thoroughly
understand how Gmail handles POP3 and IMAP requests before placing the
blame on an email client when you don't get the results you expected.

Several of the gmail accounts work in WLM on W-7. Only one will not for some
reason. I'me very familiar with gmail and it's different POP and SMTP
entries.

Second.........

I'm not here to denigrate, malign, or in some way badmouth the other
posters, but I was not shocked to find almost no one offered any other
solutions to you for an email client. Most seem fixated on the MS and
Mozilla products. I saw Pegasus Mail mentioned, but I believe development
has stopped. Also Agent (sophisticated, I tried it and decided against
it), which is still being developed. There was one other, I think, but
I'm not going looking! LOL

Out of curiosity I've tried more than a few email programs over the years
but never found one I liked better than the old OE or WindowsMail. I really
resent MS putting WM on W7 and then not allowing those who buy that OS to
use it. Something is wrong with that. Of all I tried since 1995, the now
dead OE and WM on Vista are the easiest to use, the fastest, and when info
is entered correctly, they work every time.

As you see from my sig, I'm a TB user, but definitely not 100% happy with
it. But it is better *for me* than Apple Mail. LOL If I ever get the
ambition, I'll go look for something else.

As for Windows alternatives other than MS products that everyone
acknowledges don't work correctly in many areas, and TB which you don't
care for, Mozilla also has the SeaMonkey browser which includes an email
client as does the Opera browser, should you wish to look at different
browsers as a package. The open source version of Eudora is based on TB
code. I switched from Eudora a couple years ago to TB, but if/when I go
looking for a TB replacement, I'll check it out again. I'm sure there's a
lot of changes, and I honestly do not remember why I changed. I know I
*really* liked their last commercial version for Windows.

What about Usenet though? Does Eudora and SeaMonkey include that, or would
you need a seperate program for Usenet? I believe both are browsers only.

I'd recommend you check out this site:
http://www.windows7download.com/free-win7-email-client/0-r.html

It lists 316 email clients for Win7. Surely more than enough to boggle
the mind. 74 are freeware, and the list includes shareware, trial, and
commercial programs. I'd think you'd find something there that would
appeal to you and what you want in a client. Do not depend on what you
see on the site as being all encompassing. There's a client called
Mahogany listed for Win7, but it's cross platform and the screenshot is
from Mac's OS X! <grin> I'll have to remember to check it out.

And the TB listed at the beginning is so far out of date.

If you see something that looks appealing or sparks your curiosity, use
your favorite search engine to find the home page.

Thanks. I'll check that out. I don't have much free time to spend on all
this. If MS would let those who favor WM activate it in W7 it would save a
lot of people a lot of time looking for a decent email/news program. Why
harass and frustrate their own customers? I'm getting more p*ssesd off here
by the minute. I've wasted hours on this crap now and made little headway
since now I need another Permission, this time from the Trusted Installer.
This is really turning me off to MS OSs. I can only imagine how much worse,
how much more confusing and aggravating and non intuitive W8 will be. The PC
owner will need permission for every move he or she makes and be driven
batshit by all the permission popups.

 

[Char Jackson]

Ahhh... there you go! You're very lucky. We had a guy here about 10 year
ago who built computers for people, but he gave up with all the problems
they had with the software and hours he had to spend on the phone with them
because of viruses or some other problem, most caused by the people
themselves. No one ever took his place.

When I stop doing it, that will almost certainly be the reason. It's
easy to build systems, even easier if the customer is clear about what
they want, but dealing with them afterwards can be a pain. I have
people calling me 3-4 years after I delivered a system, wanting me to
"swing by" their house to take a look at their current problem. Heaven
forbid I ask them to bring the system to me, since some of these
people live 40-60 miles away, and by the way, "what's this talk about
labor rates? Don't you remember you built this system for me?". Yes,
ma'am, but that was 4 years ago. Am I supposed to support it forever
at no additional charge? If my system price included unlimited
lifetime tech support, on-site even, you wouldn't have liked my
pricing one bit. It's all humorous and we eventually work through it,
but yeah, the people aspect is the most interesting. Hardware and
software is easy, in comparison. Or just easy, period.

I choose all the components and he assembles

And you first have to spend hours and hours learning what parts are needed,
what parts work with other parts, who has the best quality this, that and
the other thing. You're obviously, as are most of those on this NG, very
much into computers, way beyond email and a little surfing. The average
person wouldn't know a mother board from a stick of RAM. And while you may
be very much interested in learning all that, and putting untold hours into
it, the truth is most people are not.

These days, most people don't know what a newsgroup is. If you can't
get there with a web browser, it ain't worth going.

 

[John Williamson]

But what stops them from putting the documentation on their website as a
PDF file?

Nothing, but a lot of software now has been so much modified by so many
people, it's possible that not even the putative authors know all the
ins and outs. It may well be an urban myth, but it's been said that
Microsoft have bits of code in the core Windows OS that they daren't
modify, because the guy that wrote them left, and there's no
documentation, so they don't know what would happen if they *did* delete
the code. Or they tried it, and it fubar'd the system.

Also, a lot of software now doesn't *have* the options that it used to,
which mean you don't need such a big manual, and even if you *can* find
the manual for the previous version, the command line switches have been
disabled.

 

[John Williamson]

What about Usenet though? Does Eudora and SeaMonkey include that, or
would you need a seperate program for Usenet? I believe both are
browsers only.

Seamonkey will import and use correctly all e-mail and usenet settings
from Thunderbird, in a totally seamless way, and also uses the same
settings file format at Firefox, although I've not yet found an easy way
to import book marks from Firefox, which is why it got installed, tried
and uninstalled.

 

[Char Jackson]

I'm giving up on WLM altogether. One email account will not work at all on
it. Another account keeps downloading the same old email from last year
that must still be on the gmail server and I can only delete three at a
time, no more. In minutes they all download again. I just don't have the
time and patience to keep deleting the same messages every time I open the
program. I haven't even tried my Usenet accounts in WLM. To use them would
allow the same old messages going back 6 months to download again and again.
It's crazy.

You need a short 101 course at a Community College or a very patient
friend to sit with you. You seem to be missing most of the basics, yet
you want to circumvent as much as possible the security that's in
place to protect users like you. That's not a good recipe for success.

 

[John Williamson]

I must be missing your point, since I don't understand the sentence
"How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in
the software to send the message to the NSP." Can you elucidate?


I use Forte Agent 6.0 only as a newsreader (I use Outlook 2010 for
e-mail). Although Agent *does* have e-mail capability, I don't use it,
and don't have it set up for e-mail at all. Agent doesn't know what my
e-mail address is. And replying to a NG in Agent is no problem, as you
can see since you are reading my reply.

Most, if not all news servers require you to have a valid e-mail address
to set up the account, and this address will appear in the "from"
portion of the headers. It often does not have to exist for anything
apart from setting up and administering the account, and cen be deleted
or changed at any time.

 

[Char Jackson]

Most, if not all news servers require you to have a valid e-mail address
to set up the account, and this address will appear in the "from"
portion of the headers. It often does not have to exist for anything
apart from setting up and administering the account, and cen be deleted
or changed at any time.

Nope. I have not yet seen or heard of a news server that required
posters to post with a valid email address.

Note that I'm talking about posting, while you're talking about
setting up an account. Naturally, if you deal with your NSP via email
you'll need to be using a valid email account so they can reply to
you, but that's completely separate from posting.

 

[Char Jackson]

After the last 48 hours I will have no choice since WLM (not WM) keeps
downloading the same old DELETED messages from the gmail server from last
year, no matter how many times I delete them. And despite what someone said,
I can't delete more than 3 at a time and there are scads of them. I wanted
to get WindowsMail, not WLM to work on W7. I can't. I'm just an average
Joe, not a computer tech. It just got too damn complicated and trying to
wade through all the Permission, Trusted Installer and Administrator BS wore
me out.

I see that as a Good Thing, and hopefully one day you'll be able to
look back at this time and agree.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Ken.

I must be missing your point, since I don't understand the sentence "How
then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in the
software to send the message to the NSP." Can you elucidate?

"NSP"? The first poster to use that abbreviation here was "Valorie", a year
or two ago. This "RH Breener" is beginning to remind me more and more of
that highly-successful troll. :>(

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Ken Blake" wrote in message

How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in the
software to send the message to the NSP? If you have an email address in
the software, then you'll get email downloaded to it.

I must be missing your point, since I don't understand the sentence
"How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in
the software to send the message to the NSP." Can you elucidate?


I use Forte Agent 6.0 only as a newsreader (I use Outlook 2010 for
e-mail). Although Agent *does* have e-mail capability, I don't use it,
and don't have it set up for e-mail at all. Agent doesn't know what my
e-mail address is. And replying to a NG in Agent is no problem, as you
can see since you are reading my reply.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

No. It's checked and it's also checked to remove from server after 5
days. But as I found out, there are plenty of old messages on the gmail
server.


I can't find that setting in WLM. Where did MS hide it? It's not under
options either or under properties for the accounts. The only thing
under Options are Safety-Options.

Menu Button | Options | Mail | General.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Bruce.

As I just told Ken in another post, this "RH Breener" is beginning to sound
an awful lot like "Valorie" of a year or two ago. :>(

He/she asks apparently-sophisticated questions, but can't understand or
follow simple solutions that even beginners have no problems with.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
<Snippage>

And what I was told to do to delete a large number of email in WLM doesn't
work. I can only delete 3 at a time and the same emails keep coming back
every time I open WLM. I've deleted the same ones now for the 3rd or 4th
time. Why do they keep downloading after being deleted? This never
happened with OE or WM. What a waste of my time messing with WLM.

I have no idea why you can't delete more than 3 messages at a time, but
make sure you empty Deleted Items and compact the folders. That may help.

Regarding receiving the same messages over and over:

1: Did you uncheck "Leave a copy on the server"?

2: Temporarily uncheck: Get messages every X minutes. If WLMail polls for
new messages before the download completes, it will start over again from
message one.

 

[Jake]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:11:21 -0700, "RH Breener"



Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program
for e-mail and newsgroups.

I use ancient Eudora for email, Gravity for news.

Outlook comes with my MSDN subscription but I use it only for calendar
and contacts.

-J

 

[RH Breener]

Hi, RH.

This thread has grown so long that it's hard to know where to jump in with
a couple more points about WLM 15, so I'll put them here...

Rules in WLM 15 are not hidden, just in an illogical (in my opinion)
place: On the "Folders" ribbon; the rightmost button is for "Message
rules". Click this and you should see screens very similar to the ones in
OE and WM. But note that the rules for Mail and for News are completely
separate; you'll have to click either the Mail or the News icon at the
bottom of the Folders pane to get WLM into the proper mood...er...mode
before you click the Folders tab.

I got it and set the rule limiting size of email downloads.

WLM 15's Ribbon GUI hides the Tools screen TOO well! :>( Not intuitive
at all. That button in the upper left corner of the main screen has no
label at all - until you hover over it and the uninformative popup says
simply "Windows Live Mail". But if you click that button you'll get a
drop-down menu. The sixth choice on that menu is "Options". Hovering
there gets another menu with 5 choices. The top choice, "Mail", is the
magic button! Click that and you'll get the familiar "Tools|Options"
screen that OE/WM users know so well, with its tabs for Read, Send,
Spelling, etc.

To make this easier for the future, you need to also discover the QAT, the
Quick Action Toolbar. Go back and click that WLM button again, hover over
Options, then RIGHT-click on Mail and choose "Add to Quick Action
Toolbar". A new icon will appear on the QAT; it looks like a page with a
yellow (gold?) checkmark on it; the Tooltip popup says "Mail". Now you
have one-click access to that Options screen. ;<)

It added several tiny icons of envelopes in white under the ribbon. One is
for Options.

The QAT is your friend! It makes WLM 15 much easier to customize and use.
Too bad Microsoft made it so hard to find. :>(

I just don't get all these changes. I always saw MS's new OSs as
improvements, as progress... but this W7 is a big disappointment. Yet I know
I'll be forced to use it soon as my Vista computer is having boot-up
problems that I can't seem to resolve as posted on the Vista NG forum.

 

[RH Breener]

Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program
for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs,
one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I
can have both open at once.

How then do you reply to a NG if you don't have an email address in the
software to send the message to the NSP? If you have an email address in
the software, then you'll get email downloaded to it.

 

[RH Breener]

Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a
private email to a newsgroup.

Then how do you send the message to your NSP to be forwarded to Usenet? Is
there a way to do that without an email address?

 

[RH Breener]

Thanks for the encouragement

BTW, I don't think I set up e-mail accounts in my newsreaders. Or maybe
I did

You would at least have to have an outgoing email account - no? It has to
get to the NSP somehow.