No email on W-7

[R. H. Breener]

You might want to check out this site run by my colleague MVP G. Winston
Natoli.

The Field Guide - Windows Live Unplugged
http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/category/windows-live-mail/

I has nothing to do with enabling WindowsMail that I can see. Did I miss
somthing there?

 

[Tim Slattery]

Or as Dorothy Parker said, in one of my all-time favorite quotes, "You
can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."

Oh yeah. That was her response when somebody wanted her to use
"horticulture" in a sentence.

 

[R. H. Breener]

I agree with you RH from what you said earlier, I've used OE since day one
on
9x, and ever since Vista came out with WM it's basically the same thing
with a
few improvements.

Anyway, I really enjoy and love using WM on Windows 7 !

I've had WM working on Win7 for years now too, it's easy to do with
the info given from a website that made it pretty easy back in 2009, but
even
recently they've automated the install to work even better.
The disclaimer reads scary, has merit, but it's for disclaimer sake.
You can read the whole thread from the begining of the posts or go to the
end to see how its evolved and bettered itself, or just

Go to the Download button and get the file, unzip it and read the
ReWinMail_tutorial.html
on what to do starting from where it says:
"You are reading the local tutorial"
"Continue from here:"

You should have it installed and able to open WM in less than five minutes

How can that be when I have no choice of "Run as Administrator" when I right
click on the command prompt? That choice is not there. All I can choose is:

Mark
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How do I get "Run as Administrator" to show up in the right-click dropdown
window for the command prompt?

 

[R. H. Breener]

You should have it installed and able to open WM in less than five minutes

Never mind.

I have to move everything over to the Administrator-Administrator account if
I ever need to enable WM again.

 

[Ken Blake]

Oh yeah. That was her response when somebody wanted her to use
"horticulture" in a sentence.

Yes, I think it was Benchley who asked her. They played that game at
the round table at the Algonquin Hotel. Another one, by FPA, when
asked to use the word "meretricious" was "Have a meretricious and a
happy new year."


But I've always thought she whispered to Benchley "Ask me to use the
word 'horticulture' in a sentence." It's too good to have made it up
on the spur of the moment.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

But I've always thought she whispered to Benchley "Ask me to use the
word 'horticulture' in a sentence." It's too good to have made it up
on the spur of the moment.

She could have prepared several in advance and used them as the
situation came up, but your scenario with Benchley is also preparing.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

These days, most people don't know what a newsgroup is. If you can't
get there with a web browser, it ain't worth going.

Or they does not know about it.

This is true. When I asked the people at work if they use Usenet, not one of
them knew what I was talking about. Online forums are popular, maybe because

The Web gets promoted in general conversation. USENET does not
get mentioned.

they're moderated and trolls are banned. Usenet is like the wild west.

In both cases, about moderation, some are and some are not.

Trolls are more common then ever on Usenet. I used to lurk the freeware and

I have not found it so. Mind you, I look for quality newsgroups.

free newsserver NGs and now it's mostly trolls. I find I'm spending less

Not in my neck of the woods.

time here on Usenet and more on online Forums myself. I think Usenet lost a
lot of people when all those ISPs dropped it. Some moved to Google to access
Usenet and the others probably moved on to other forums.

Possibly, but I think it is more that it does not get promoted to
speak of. The Web does.

USENET is a great improvement over many of its successors.
(Borrowing from a old joke about the ALGOL programming language.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[VanguardLH]

I have the email filter set to delete them at the
server. They don't download to my PC. Everything over 800 KBs gets killed
at the server. I don't care what they sent, if it's over 800 KB, it dies on
the gmail server.

My server-side rule moves it into the Trash or Junk folder. The e-mail
provider cleans those folders out after around 7 days. So if the sender
wonders why I didn't look at his big attachment or reply about it then I
still have a short time to use the webmail client to go look at it.

Although I have an always-on broadband Internet connection, I'm still
not interesting in some boob sending me a huge e-mail with tons of
attachments rather than providing links to them. A bigger message store
(database) means a slower e-mail client. I can get add-ons that
automatically slice out attachments and save them into files (with a
file link left behind in the e-mail) but I'm really not interested in me
having to implement workarounds for rude senders.

Right... and MS shouldn't deny us that right. It costs MS nothing for
people to use the old email program so why disable it? A monopoly suite?

Dropped support. Why would any software vendor be including old
software they no longer support with newer software they do support?
That isn't just behavior by Microsoft. That's behavior by every company
producing software and even single programmers distributing their own
code.

They're not going to bundle something into their new product that they
don't support anymore and has known bugs that they will never address
since the product isn't supported anymore (e.g., OE corrupting its .dbx
database files when they exceed 2GB in size, corruption of indexing on
compaction or when .dbx files have an excessive count of records, etc).

Also, many programs rely on libraries as part of the OS or included in
frameworks to provide many of the functions executed within a program.
Well, when the libraries get updated, replaced, or deleted with newer
versions of the OS then those old programs won't work anymore.
Sometimes you can get the old libraries or ancilliary support files for
the old program (since they aren't included in the program then you have
to get them separately) but don't expect the vendor of the newer version
software to provide them to you. They're moving forward, not with their
tail clamped down in the long past trying to keep a tip of themselves
present to back then.

Simple answer: the old stuff isn't supported. Unsupported software
isn't (and should never) be bundled with supported software. It's
supported or it's not. The workarounds you performed to revive the old
unsupported softare is a procedure that is not supported. Expect
problems later, be happy if none show up.

WLM appears to download the messages OPEN, unlike OE or WM. You can read
them without clicking on them and unlike WM, they all have their own folders
which they do this in.

The downloaded e-mails are stored into files. In OE, the downloaded
e-mails were downloaded into .dbx database files. In neither case are
those e-mails "opened" until you actually use something to view them.

There are differences in view points. From the server's view point, you
opened the message to download it (see SMTP's DATA command). From the
client's point of view, it is storing the data stream into a file but is
not "opening" any message. An anti-virus program that interrogates your
e-mail client will "open" the message but does so on the fly (it
interrogates the e-mail traffic during transfer or by opening the file
on a later manual or scheduled scan). Not until you select to view the
message are you "opening" it.

The size of each email isn't the issue. I have size set to 800KBs per
email. It's the same old deleted emails coming down constantly.

The server has no concept of what is new or old or what has been read or
not. There is no attribute on a message up on the server that says it
was read. Whether a message is read or not is an attribute tracked by
the client. So it appears there is a defect in the client.

When the client downloads the message, it first gets a list of UIDs
(unique IDs). The server assigns those to each message. The client
then determines which UIDs it has not previously downloads. That way,
the client only downloads the UIDs it hasn't downloaded before instead
of all messages. You can, for example, configure your e-mail client to
not perform the default action of deleting messages from the server
after retrieving them; i.e., your client does the RETR (retrieve)
command but you tell it to not send the default DELE (delete) command.
The message stays up on the server because the client didn't delete it.
The server doesn't know whether you have read the message or not in your
local e-mail client and doesn't care. Tracking "read" status is
something the client does within its own message store.

I have had problems with a mail server when it got restored that old
messages got re-retrieved by my e-mail client. That's because the
restore ended up assigning new UIDs to the messages up on the server so
they all looked new to the client. They were new UIDs that the client
had never yet retrieved.

If the client is the one continually retrieving the same UIDs then it
looks like the client has a problem recording those UIDs. I don't know
the internals of WLM that well but do know how this situation can arise
when using Outlook. Some users configure the mail poll interval at
ridiculous and abusively short intervals, like under 5 minutes. When
their e-mail client is retrieving new messages, that takes time.
Transfer is not immediate but dependent on many bytes have to get
transferred. If the transfer takes longer than the mail poll interval,
the current mail poll gets aborted. That means the client had a failed
mail session so it doesn't record the list of UIDs of e-mails that it
received so far. It got some of the e-mails from the server, a new mail
poll got started which aborted the current mail poll, and the client
never got around to recording the list of UIDs for what it already
partially retrieved from the server. So the client didn't record those
UIDs to have them available in the next mail poll (that interrupt the
prior mail poll). Also, anything that interrogates your e-mail traffic
will lengthen the time to complete a mail poll. An anti-virus program
interrogating your e-mail traffic has to take time to do that (and why
sometimes this delay can lead to timeouts between e-mail client and
e-mail server with the intervening interrogation by the AV program).

So try disabling your anti-virus program from scanning your e-mails.
See what happens when you lengthen the mail poll interval to 10 minutes,
or more. If that doesn't work then maybe the database for the message
store in the e-mail client is corrupt and not saving the UIDs so it can
use them in the next mail poll to NOT download those same messages.
Someone in the WLM newsgroup can tell you how to slide out the old
message store (probably by renaming the store folder and creating a new
empty one) so you can see if it's a database or indexing problem.

Not in WLM. I can read them without clicking on them. Are you using WLM?
How did you set it so only the header of the email shows and no text?

As I said, to "open" means using some application to view them whether
it's WLM or using a text editor to go look at the .eml file. You also
saw headers in OE and WM. What do you think is all that info in the
headers pane showing sender, subject, date, and size?

 

[WinMail]

VERY nice! Thanks for the link. I had zero problems porting WinMail
from Vista to Win 7, several times!

Great Chris, nice job.

It was easy to do wasn't it!

Your link may even allow The Breener to get it running!

Well if that 70 yr grandmother (grits) over there can do it then anyone can.

 

[WinMail]

Actually it takes 60 seconds to do it. You have spent hours and hours on this
massive thread, when if you had the right info in the first place WM can be
reactivated on your computer in less than 60 seconds, I only said five minutes
to give leeway for reading time.

How can that be when I have no choice of "Run as Administrator" when I right
click on the command prompt? That choice is not there. All I can choose is:

Mark
Copy
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Select
Scroll and
Find.

That's funny, and No! I'm not making fun of you in any way, I've just never
seen anybody interpret it that way.
You sir actually clicked on the gui of the command prompt, and that's not what
it meant at all.

How do I get "Run as Administrator" to show up in the right-click dropdown
window for the command prompt?

As mentioned when you go to # 3 on that local tutorial:
ReWinMail_tutorial.html
When it says to right click on it....

~Start Menu> All Programs > Accessories
~Right click on that Command Prompt 'shortcut itself' that you see there in the
Accessories menu! and then when you click Run As Admin then it opens up the
command prompt window, and then you continue with #4 on that tutorial, and btw,
that's where you can do what you did posted above to right click the gui and
there then yes you can use 'Paste' to put in the next line:
cd%USERPROFILE%\Downloads\TutReWinMail\
(where here of course you needed to have saved the Win74umsZip.zip place to
your Downloads folder in the first place.)

But follow that tutorial.

Anyway, seriously, 60 seconds flat to get WinMail to start up if you have read
and follow the instructions correctly. Yes I think the tutorial may be over
worded which can get confusing, but I think when techs try to say things in
detailed ways to be able to reach the most people, things get overworded and
then becomes almost confusing, but in hindsight once you do it, you will
see.... 60 seconds to open WinMail

Really, you should ask these questions over there since you have so many people
that actually use and have it installed and working there.

good luck

 

[WinMail]

Never mind.

I have to move everything over to the Administrator-Administrator account if
I ever need to enable WM again.

? huh, You don't have to do anything like that of the sort.

I don't know what else you have installed or done to your setup to alter it for
you to say that, and I'm not going to read all the posts here to see all these
different things and programs you 'may' have installed on all these threads,
but the title of your original post you simply wanted to install Win Mail
(which as you know is the updated version of Outlook Express on Windows7,
it's already there on Windows 7, and for that matter it's on Windows 8 too!)
....and if you had the information in hand that you do now, you R.H., literally,
could of had Win Mail setup on your Windows 7 within minutes, period!

Post over on that forum there if you have any issues or questions, this thread
is multifaceted on many other subjects, and is getting confusing to try and
follow the original thought here anymore.

 

[WinMail]

OK! I'll save all that information in case I need it and wont run file
checker on W7.

There's no need to save that SFC information. There is a mistake in that
tutorial and that old problem with SFC was already fixed back in 2009, the
person who wrote the new automated tutorial just didn't realize it when he
wrote it is all. The registry line that get's automatically entered when the
WinMailEdit.reg get's applied in the process makes that old SFC problem
non-existent

This is from the site:

Complete the instructions in the local tutorial.
Overview of the steps in the local tutorial:

Open an elevated Command Prompt
In the elevated Command Prompt, change directory to
your user Downloads\TutReWinMail
Launch one batch file (64 -OR- 32) to automatically process the majority
of the steps
Create a shortcut
Restart your machine
That's pretty much all there is to it

That's is absolutely correct, it's easy, although a lot of work went into it,
and so when you run the batch a lot of information is automatically taken care
of to make the whole process work.

The only issue I may run into is getting the elevated command prompt in W7.

There is no issue here at all, of which I answered in your other post

I don't know what kind of account to set up in W7 where I can do things and

There's no 'account' to set up to get choices others have?

get choices others here have, choices that don't show up in my version of W7
or with the accounts I have set up on W7.

Irregardless of what version of Windows7 you have it will work, no special
Administrator account or whatever to setup at all, just follow the tutorial as
mentioned.

 

[WinMail]

You right-click the shortcut to run as administrator - not the opened command
prompt box.

That's right Dave.

 

[Chris S.]

Great Chris, nice job.

It was easy to do wasn't it!


Well if that 70 yr grandmother (grits) over there can do it then anyone
can.

I meant to say that I had done it manually several times in the past, but
appreciated the ease with the supplied link info.

Chris