No email on W-7

[Ken Blake]

Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice.

You are assuming that there are only those two choices: buy a
pre-built OEM computer or build your own. That is *not* correct; there
is a third choice and it's the one I prefer and use most of the time.

What I almost always do is use a local builder to build what I want,
to my specifications. I choose all the components and he assembles
them. I've built my own several times, but I prefer having someone
else do it and paying not a whole lot of money for the service. I
prefer it because, although it's easy to build a computer (it's not
much more than plugging the components together; similar to plugging
together stereo components, but with a computer they are inside the
case), it isn't always easy to troubleshoot any problems you have
building it.

 

[RH Breener]

Inline with snippage.




See VanguardLH's reply.



and for some reason the software


Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties |
Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server.





Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.


To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.

Very good. Thank you.

 

[RH Breener]

Hi, RH.

As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO
mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine.
Microsoft got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and
prior, so they removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from
Win7. They say that we are now free to select any mail/news client we
want (Thunderbird, Agent, or any of several others) and install it
ourselves.

OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially.
But some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard
to find. (I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll
probably get flamed for that.)

RC

No flames. To each is or her own. <smile>

 

[RH Breener]

Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to
Windows 7.

From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's
more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7 and
firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it to
work for them.

 

[RH Breener]

I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from
XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought
Outlook10 and have not regretted it.
Peter

Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail on
Vista?

 

[RH Breener]

Just use Thunderbird it is free.

I downloaded it. It's better than WLM so if I can't get WM to work on W7,
as stated above. That will be my choice and I'll uninstall WLM.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. <cough, cough> I
never bought that argument.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[RH Breener]

Count your blessings.


If you say what you don't like, people might be able to suggest
something that wouldn't have those disadvantages for you.

Actually after working with Thunderbird for awhile I think I'll be able to
live with it. It's just more confusing than WM, and after using one type of
email program for 12 years, it's hard to switch.

 

[RH Breener]

Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail

"Windows 7

It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is unused.
Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the file itself
is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look on
http://www.sevenforums.com/
for information on re-enabling WinMail.exe."

I couldn't find anything at that site relevant to enabling WM on W-7. It's
like looking for needle in a haystack at that site.

I found the tutorial here.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my
Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in
trouble, recovery is painless.

How do I do a "system image?" I don't have software (?) to do that. This
is so complicated I'm not feeling comfortable doing it.

I once used Norton Ghost to make an image of my HD and it was useless when
the computer had problems. I ended up reformatting the HD.

 

[RH Breener]

I tried it and it worked! I had made an earlier attempt a year or two
ago, where I tried copying the Windows Mail folder from a Vista
installation, but I couldn't get it to work. This new (to me) method
works, and now I have Windows Mail on this Win7 computer. I may never
use it, but at least I know it can be done.

How did you get Permission to add the dll in that WM folder? Unlike other
versions of W, this version W7 does not allow the owner to do as they want
which I deeply resent. Pernission to do something on my own PC? The 'Take
Ownership' download was opened but didn't work. How can I take ownership?

 

[RH Breener]

That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on
their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a
pre-installed OS means you get bloatware.

Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice.

Windows 7 doesn't come with an e-mail client. HP decided they knew best
what you should use for an e-mail client. Complain to HP about all the
bloatware they toss on their pre-built, pre-configured computers.


This newsgroup discusses Windows 7. A better newsgroup for discussing
Windows Live Mail is:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

By the way, yes, you can get WLM to *not* download e-mails that exceed a
maximum size. After installing WLM into virtual machine, it took longer
to find out how to get at the dialog to define rules then to see if a
rule clause were available to limit the size of downloads.

For your claim of "no way to set a rule to keep large files from
downloading", how long did you spend looking at the clauses that you can
add to rules? What was the reason you didn't want to select to include
the following clauses in a rule?

Huh? I couldn't even find the hidden place to add them until someone posted
it here.

Where the message is more than size
Do not Download it from the server

Did you add the stop clause to this rule (so subsequent rules don't
force a download should they have to interrogate the body of the
message)? If you have more than one rule defined, where was this one
positioned within your set of rules? That is, what other rules were
defined before this one?

You lost me since until someone here told me how to find the rule setting
place, I had no idea where it was.

Several posters have mentioned that you cannot run Outlook Express on
Windows 7. Well, that's strictly true under Windows 7 itself but not if
you have an edition of Windows 7 that runs XP Mode which is a virtual
machine running a copy of Windows XP and which does include Outlook
Express. "W-7" doesn't tell anyone WHICH edition of Windows 7 that you
are using. If your edition of Windows 7 supports XP Mode, yes, you can
run Outlook Express under the VM for Windows XP as a guest running under
Windows 7.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-t...ss-oe-of-virtual-xp-mode-vxp-vm-in-windows-7/

I'm more interested in running WindowsMail, not OE on the new computer. But
for some reason MS doesn't allow the person who buys W7 or gets it on their
new PC to do as they want. What the hell is with this "ermission" nonsense?
I can't follow the directions of getting WM to work because I can't get
control of the files already on my W7 PC.

How the hell do I get Administrator permission when I am the administrator
of the computer? The "take control" software download didn't work.

 

[RH Breener]

MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their
kool-aid.

Not promote Thunderbird... a place to download WindowsMail for those of us
who can't stand WLM.

 

[RH Breener]

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you.

 

[RH Breener]

Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose
"Properties".

The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows
edition".

Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there

I has SP1.

 

[RH Breener]

Vista's WinMail has been working well on Win 7 for well over a year and a
half
on my main machine.

How did you get it to work? The software to gain control I downloaded did
nothing. I'm the Administrator of this PC and yet can't do what I want and
it's making me resentful. What's with all the "permissions" crap on W-7?

When you copy it over from Vista, don't forget to give yourself full
permissions
on all of the files.

How? I'm new to W-7 and none of this 'permissions' makes sense to me. How
do you give yourself "full permissions?"

And start the Winmail.exe from a shortcut pinned to

 

[Char Jackson]

[snip]

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

You're welcome. I use the technique frequently and have been surprised
at how few others seem to know about it.

GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. <cough, cough> I
never bought that argument.

Each has its fans and detractors.

 

[RH Breener]

You can download a trial here.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook

FYI: Outlook does not do news.

OK, then I would not be interested at all.

When I got this Win7 machine, I did the WinMail hack and have it for news
ever since. (Check my message headers). I used WLMail 2009 for about a
month and switched to TB. TB is a bit different than OE, but it's got some
great free add-ons. Like "mail merge" for one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=thun...8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7GGHP_enUS449

Thanks... I'm only learning to use it now so I'll skip the complications of
add-ons for awhile.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a
private email to a newsgroup.

Not quite.

Both of the newsreaders that are currently set up here will let me reply
to a Usenet post via e-mail.

I usually don't click the wrong button

 

[Robin Bignall]

Not quite.

Both of the newsreaders that are currently set up here will let me reply
to a Usenet post via e-mail.

I usually don't click the wrong button

It's easy in Agent to move the two reply buttons to opposite ends of the
toolbar, but occasionally one has a senior moment...

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

You're welcome. I use the technique frequently and have been surprised
at how few others seem to know about it.

I have never read anything on it. Thinking it ought to be
possible, I tried a bit of experimenting, but did not think to try

Each has its fans and detractors.

I use both. I find CLIs usually to be beter documented. GUIs
are supposedly intuitive so fine points get omitted, like the one you
just documented for me.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko