No email on W-7

[Char Jackson]

I missed the same thing Gene did. I own a TV, but I see almost no
commercials. I watch almost nothing on TV except for films (Netflix)
and an occasional Tennis match.

You guys are out of touch with pop culture, AKA useless information.

 

[Char Jackson]

You've been in newsgroups longer than I have. I started about 17-18
years ago, shortly after I get my first internet connection (on
dial-up back then). And maybe it's a matter of *which* newsgroups, but
if I've seen "NSP" before, I don't remember doing so.

Yes, I've also seen many such comparisons, but not using that
abbreviation.

A few people use USP, for Usenet Service Provider, but that's much
less common than NSP.

 

[Ken Blake]

A few people use USP, for Usenet Service Provider, but that's much
less common than NSP.

I've never seen that, either.

 

[Ken Blake]

You guys are out of touch with pop culture, AKA useless information.

Thanks for the kind words. ;-)

I work hard at staying away from pop culture.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Thanks for the kind words. ;-)

I work hard at staying away from pop culture.

I was going to answer Char directly, but it's appropriate to just to put
a +1 here & ride on your coattails.

Although it isn't so much that I work at not being acculturated, I just
have the wrong interests for the mainstream

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I expect big things from you. Great accomplishments, and all that.

Especially after the Mayan Calendar expires

 

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:37:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:


I was going to answer Char directly, but it's appropriate to just to put
a +1 here & ride on your coattails.

Although it isn't so much that I work at not being acculturated, I just
have the wrong interests for the mainstream

We are apparently alike in several ways. We just learned a new one.
;-)

 

[Char Jackson]

I was going to answer Char directly, but it's appropriate to just to put
a +1 here & ride on your coattails.

Although it isn't so much that I work at not being acculturated, I just
have the wrong interests for the mainstream

I hope you both know I didn't mean it as a bad thing, which is why I
also called it useless information. The only time it'll hurt you is
possibly in a trivia game, so you're ok.

 

[Char Jackson]

Especially after the Mayan Calendar expires

If the world ends that day and we're all killed, I'm going to come
looking for you to get an explanation. Something tells me I have a
logic problem there, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:17:06 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"

[snip]

Of course, a lot of HTML help isn't much help, being, in my experience,
hard to navigate effectively.

A lot of on-line help (not counting PDFs here) is what I call
tactical help. It may help you with the specific thing that you are
curious about, but it often is not strategic at all. Examples of
strategic is a use case for the software and why to configure or use
the software a certain way (as opposed to a tactical how).

Books or things resembling them (like PDFs) are wonderfully
sequential. It is possible to flip through them and know that you
have seen all of the text.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

I work hard at staying away from pop culture.

Too much pop is not good for you anyway.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

I expect big things from you. Great accomplishments, and all that.

And more. After all, he stayed there TWICE.

And there is the honour of Geneliness to uphold.

No pressure at all, of course.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

Even when you bought your pre-built, pre-configured computer, you didn't
do any research on it before purchasing it? Considering all the

Yup! It died Friday evening. My research was to find a place
open Saturday.

Unfortunately, the colour I like is no longer generally available
(beige). I dislike lightsucker, er, black.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Jordon]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:31:03 +0100, John Williamson

Valid in *format* perhaps, but not necessarily valid in the
sense of existing. The address I use here ([email protected])
does not exist, as far as I know.

You may have misread what he said. Most news providers require a
valid email address, only to set up an account. They send an email to
that account that you have to respond to in order to validate the
account. Once you do and log in, what you list as the "from" address
in messages is up to you.

 

[Char Jackson]

You may have misread what he said.

No, Ken didn't misread it, you did. No one disputes that you usually
need a valid email address to set up a Usenet account, as you say
below. What we're objecting to is John's assertion above that your
valid email account will appear in the 'From' header. It doesn't need
to be used there, and in fact usually SHOULDN'T be used there, but
like Ken said, some NSP's require a text string that at least looks
like an email address, thus Ken's *format* statement.

 

[Ken Blake]

You may have misread what he said. Most news providers require a
valid email address, only to set up an account. They send an email to
that account that you have to respond to in order to validate the
account.

You say "most," but as far as I can remember, I've never used any that
has done that. I use four news servers at the moment, and over the
years I've used about half a dozen (or more) others.


It's possible that I just have forgotten, but I don't think I've
forgotten ten or twelve.

 

[Jordon]

You say "most," but as far as I can remember, I've never used
any that has done that. I use four news servers at the moment,
and over the years I've used about half a dozen (or more)
others.

You're using news.datemas.de?

Did you first sign up here...

https://web.datemas.de/kunden/cart.php?a=add&pid=25
&language=English

You paid for it and it didn't require a valid email address to sign
up?

 

[Jordon]

No, Ken didn't misread it, you did. No one disputes that you
usually need a valid email address to set up a Usenet account,
as you say below. What we're objecting to is John's assertion
above that your valid email account will appear in the 'From'
header. It doesn't need to be used there, and in fact usually
SHOULDN'T be used there, but like Ken said, some NSP's require a
text string that at least looks like an email address, thus
Ken's *format* statement.

It looked to me like Ken's response to John's...

was...

Valid in *format* perhaps, but not necessarily valid in the
sense of existing.

And considering that John also said...

I don't think I misread anything.

 

[XS11E]

A few people use USP, for Usenet Service Provider, but that's much
less common than NSP.

I've never really seen either. For many years my newsgroup access came
from my ISP and they always included newsgroups*. That began going
away several years ago so now almost everyone has to have an ISP and a
separate provider for Usenet or do like most have done and abandon
Usenet. <sigh>

*Newsgroup access wasn't always from the ISP's own servers. sometimes
it was provided by another company such as Highwinds (UGH!) or ??? but
it was seamless for the users.

 

[Char Jackson]

It looked to me like Ken's response to John's...


And considering that John also said...


I don't think I misread anything.

You're still overlooking the second half of the critical sentence:
"and this address will appear in the "from" portion of the headers"