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[Ed Cryer]

On 19/11/2011 19:01, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Whether Liberace and others like him provided a service in getting
people interested in classical or rather more serious music is not the
point of this conversation. But rather exceptionally gifted musicians
are what I thought we were trying to discuss. And Liberace was
certainly not one of them.

Ooh, do I detect a certain snootiness?

But if his playing is your cup of tea, then by all means listen to him.

Yes, I definitely do (-:!

But drawing a gastronomic paradigm, if you are happy eating hot dogs
with mainly mechanically recovered chicken, then well and good. Or
should I have said McDonald's burghers?

Hmm. Much is said about their ingredients, but I don't think they are
made from burghers!

-- choro

John - off to shop and then have a Mac, soon!

Liberace was glam-and-glitter-and-not-much-else. He never inspired me;
in fact he turned me off. He used to have candelabra on the end of his
piano, and after parading round the stage like a prima ballerina and
asking "Do you like the rings?" (flash of luxury and decadent western
culture to the TV screen) he'd go into a version of Chopsticks.

I was a babe in arms at the time, but old enough to see the difference
between culture and trash.

He was a decent pianist with a large following. Listen to him on
YouTube. He only became flashy towards the end of his career, and if
you look at some of his earlier programs, you won't see any rings on
his fingers.

Give me a URL on Youtube and I'll watch& listen.

Ed, there must be dozens. Here's one. I don't see any rings.

Damn! I wish I could play like him! I don't play the piano at all.

Hey, that comes across quite well here. It has the full confidence of a
pianist aware of his own skills. Yes, that has something.

What happened to him, then? Did he end up disillusioned, where
everything comes so easily that you can only offer a pastiche of
yourself? Because that's what I saw on TV; a chap who seemed to float on
clouds above it all, and he just seemed to be sending himself up all the
time.

Ed

 

[Mack A. Damia]

May be the burghers should have been minced, after all. And why not?
They could have made better burgers!

Incidentally, I've just had some home made burgers I made myself. Made
from lean steak mince! But minced lamb or pork are also fine. Or how
about a mixture of minced meats? But have some fresh parsley handy
though! It's an optional non-optional ingredient, if you see what I mean!

Don't know where you are, but did you ever have a cold English pork
pie such as the Melton Mowbray type?

Made with minced pork and spices and usually considered part of a
ploughman's lunch. They are very popular in the U.K.

 

[Ed Cryer]

Ah, that song about the giant vegetable, of which I think Shirley Bassey
gives the best performance.

That must be "Big Spender", but I can't link a vegetable with "spender".

Ed

 

[Mack A. Damia]

On 19/11/2011 19:50, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On 19/11/2011 19:01, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Whether Liberace and others like him provided a service in getting
people interested in classical or rather more serious music is not the
point of this conversation. But rather exceptionally gifted musicians
are what I thought we were trying to discuss. And Liberace was
certainly not one of them.

Ooh, do I detect a certain snootiness?

But if his playing is your cup of tea, then by all means listen to him.

Yes, I definitely do (-:!

But drawing a gastronomic paradigm, if you are happy eating hot dogs
with mainly mechanically recovered chicken, then well and good. Or
should I have said McDonald's burghers?

Hmm. Much is said about their ingredients, but I don't think they are
made from burghers!

-- choro

John - off to shop and then have a Mac, soon!

Liberace was glam-and-glitter-and-not-much-else. He never inspired me;
in fact he turned me off. He used to have candelabra on the end of his
piano, and after parading round the stage like a prima ballerina and
asking "Do you like the rings?" (flash of luxury and decadent western
culture to the TV screen) he'd go into a version of Chopsticks.

I was a babe in arms at the time, but old enough to see the difference
between culture and trash.

He was a decent pianist with a large following. Listen to him on
YouTube. He only became flashy towards the end of his career, and if
you look at some of his earlier programs, you won't see any rings on
his fingers.




Give me a URL on Youtube and I'll watch& listen.

Ed, there must be dozens. Here's one. I don't see any rings.

Damn! I wish I could play like him! I don't play the piano at all.

Hey, that comes across quite well here. It has the full confidence of a
pianist aware of his own skills. Yes, that has something.

What happened to him, then? Did he end up disillusioned, where
everything comes so easily that you can only offer a pastiche of
yourself? Because that's what I saw on TV; a chap who seemed to float on
clouds above it all, and he just seemed to be sending himself up all the
time.

Good question, Ed. I think his popularity went to his head. He was
fine in the tux with the candelabra, but he went overboard in his
later years. Maybe a touch of senility? We all get there eventually.

 

[choro]

Good for you. I can do work AND listen to music at the same time. How
about you?

I never said anything about listening to music while working. But you
sure can have background music while you work, especially manual work.
But you can only do one thing properly at a time. Women claim to be
multi-taskers but I rather doubt it unless in doing simple tasks.

There was no advanced program detailing what would and would not be
discussed. You are making false assumptions. This was an open
discussion about classical music in a very general sense. You're not
a control freak, are you?


I don't own a recording by him, but I don't mind his playing. You
don't have to get your knickers into a twist just becasue the name
"Liberace" is mentioned. You are beginning to sound like a prig, and
I thought we were having a decent discussion a couple of days ago.

No, no... I must admit I have a thing about Liberace because I boo-booed
once, mentioning his name among the best players of light music when I
was thinking of another pianist. But this was in the 60s and I still
can't get over it. So I must admit I have got a psychological hang-up
with Liberace.

Cannibalism? I think not. But I've stopped eating burgers and red
meat in general for health reasons.

Now, a barbecued chicken bought at our local Walmarts is yummy. I've
never tasted as good - even in a restaurant, and I've eaten in fine
restaurants all over the world.

And I've stopped eating hormone laden chicken! Every time I try it I
swear I'll never buy chicken again. I am eating fish more and more but I
do love my beef, lamb and pork! I wasn't born to the head of the food
chain to eat rabbit fare or boiled greens!
-- choro

 

[Mack A. Damia]

(snip)


I never said anything about listening to music while working. But you
sure can have background music while you work, especially manual work.
But you can only do one thing properly at a time. Women claim to be
multi-taskers but I rather doubt it unless in doing simple tasks.

You mentioned, "limited time", but one can listen to music most of the
time unless the circumstances prevent it. I think female
multi-tasking is largely a myth. As you say, maybe simple tasks such
as dusting or cleaning the floor, but I think they get confused with
more complex tasks.

(Snip)

No, no... I must admit I have a thing about Liberace because I boo-booed
once, mentioning his name among the best players of light music when I
was thinking of another pianist. But this was in the 60s and I still
can't get over it. So I must admit I have got a psychological hang-up
with Liberace.

I was just Skyping with a grade school friend (1954) and her parents
let her stay up to watch Liberace. He did bring beautiful music to
the masses, although I don't want to sound like an elitist.

(snip)

And I've stopped eating hormone laden chicken! Every time I try it I
swear I'll never buy chicken again. I am eating fish more and more but I
do love my beef, lamb and pork! I wasn't born to the head of the food
chain to eat rabbit fare or boiled greens!

They make a dish in Mexico called Birria. Lamb is the favorite meat,
although you can use pork, beef, and even chicken. Birria refers to
the sauce that the meat is cooked in. Do a Google if you're
interested, because it's very good. I was eating it three times a
week at a local eatery here near Ensenada, Baja, until I got my first
gout attack a couple of months ago. <*ouch*>

 

[John M Ward]

It is also the lazy and, frankly, sloppy route to take.

Usenet is rather like a sewer ... the more you put into it the more
you can get out of it! (With apologies to Tom Lehrer.)

IOW Posting /without/ making an effort leads to poor posts, which
will give little satisfaction to the poster and are likely to be
ignored by others.

Indeed, literally. I have for years downloaded headers only of messages
over a specified size. Many posted in this thread have thus not come to
me, and I don't feel inclined to request them.

It would have been a pity if this generally interesting thread had ended
up so bunged up with overlong full quotations of everything that had
gone before, that it would have become better just to killfile it (some
of us have better things to do than wade through all that stuff). I hd
seriously considered doing so, and I'm sure I am not alone.

Incidentally, as much of what is now being discussed here doesn't fit
into either of the current groups, perhaps an "ephemeral" group might be
a useful repository for drifted threads. There are probably a number of
readers of the windows7 group who'd prefer all this off-topic stuff to
go away, and that is a solution I have seen work in the past when a
similar situation arose.

Your choice ...

True!

 

[Mack A. Damia]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:29:56 +0000 (GMT), John M Ward

(snip)

Incidentally, as much of what is now being discussed here doesn't fit
into either of the current groups, perhaps an "ephemeral" group might be
a useful repository for drifted threads. There are probably a number of
readers of the windows7 group who'd prefer all this off-topic stuff to
go away, and that is a solution I have seen work in the past when a
similar situation arose.

Not certain what you mean by an ephemeral group, John - do you mean an
abandoned goup that is presently empty and unused?

For all that has been said, APIHNA had almost imploded except for the
occasional post. At least there's some traffic now, and it seems to
be a given that many if not most groups go through a life-cycle. I
understand APIHNA had its "Golden Years", but how much more can be
said about apostrophes except pointing out the occasional mistake in
print.

 

[Ed Cryer]

The battle has been won but "art" has been degraded in the process;
made accessible to the masses. A pile of bricks, neon tubes on a wall,
a rotting sheep, an unmade bed, a big crack in a floor.

I'm not clear whether you mean by art has been made accessible to the
masses: do you mean the masses now have access to art, or now have the
right to make it (with a resultant decline in its quality)?

I suspect you mean the latter, as it sounds as if the bricks, neons,
sheep, bed, and crack are not to your taste.

I don't think they're to mine either (except the neon - I'm unfamiliar
with what you're referring to there), but I don't feel qualified to say
they're definitely not art, only that they don't do much for me.

Back to the times when "art" still encompassed a reaching out to
something higher.
In my humble opinion the greatest of all the great "starving in a
garret" composers was Schubert. Shy, tubby little Schubert. Schubert
who saw Beethoven striding through Vienna, never got introduced to him
but helped carry his coffin. Schubert who wouldn't have known what to
do with fame and public recognition if it had blocked his doorway.

I could make a serious case that the "Unfinished" is just about the
greatest symphony ever written; and it wasn't composed while striding
along country lanes and conducting trees; no, it was composed in a

(That image sounds familiar, but I can't place it.)

I like the unfinished.
[]

Two images of Beethoven;
Beethoven the bad;

Beethoven the good;

Ed

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:29:56 +0000 (GMT), John M Ward

(snip)

That's the trouble with thread drift on usenet - I have a reluctance to
take a new 'group just to follow a thread, and I'm probably not alone in
that.

Not certain what you mean by an ephemeral group, John - do you mean an
abandoned goup that is presently empty and unused?

Yes, I was wondering too.

For all that has been said, APIHNA had almost imploded except for the
occasional post. At least there's some traffic now, and it seems to

Yes, I think we could safely go there (i. e. drop the W7 'group) - if
everyone else in this thread agrees, last one take it out of the list
.... (-:

(I wouldn't normally agree to hijacking a 'group in that way, but I
haven't seen any of the APIHNA regulars joining in, even after I added
it around the time it was vaguely relevant. So I think they're all gone,
sadly.)

be a given that many if not most groups go through a life-cycle. I
understand APIHNA had its "Golden Years", but how much more can be
said about apostrophes except pointing out the occasional mistake in
print.

Even in its heyday, it didn't concentrate on just apostrophes - most
aspects of language, especially PNS syndrome.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I like(d) Shirley Bassey especially when she was younger and used to
appear in that low cut dress at the back; cut down to her you know
what! But can't recollect the song that is on your mind.

You mentioned it: A yam, what a yam. (IGMC.)

These days I love listening to Edith Piaf. Incredible chanteuse of
French chanson! But if you like singing you should also listen to

You can only get a voice like that by smoking 40 Gauloises a day ...
Mireille Mathieu does well as an imitator, but is far too healthy to
carry it off completely ...
[]

 

[choro]

You mentioned, "limited time", but one can listen to music most of the
time unless the circumstances prevent it. I think female
multi-tasking is largely a myth. As you say, maybe simple tasks such
as dusting or cleaning the floor, but I think they get confused with
more complex tasks.

I meant I have limited time at my disposal so, hopefully, I spend it
wisely. That's what I meant. I won't waste time listening to second rate
music and musicians when present day technology gives me the chance to
listen to the best music performed by the very best performers.

(Snip)


I was just Skyping with a grade school friend (1954) and her parents
let her stay up to watch Liberace. He did bring beautiful music to
the masses, although I don't want to sound like an elitist.

I have no objection to others listening to Liberace. I don't want to
listen to him myself. Nor do I encourage others to listen to him.

(snip)


They make a dish in Mexico called Birria. Lamb is the favorite meat,
although you can use pork, beef, and even chicken. Birria refers to
the sauce that the meat is cooked in. Do a Google if you're
interested, because it's very good. I was eating it three times a
week at a local eatery here near Ensenada, Baja, until I got my first
gout attack a couple of months ago.<*ouch*>

Had a look and even though I have not had Mexican Birria, I recognize
the dish. The the versions I have had most probably taste different
owing to the slight variations in their preparations and the spices and
herbs used. But I believe that Puryan and/or Briani is basically the
same dish. Briani of course you will find in any Indian** restaurant.

Heaven knows where the dish originated! But I rather fancy Mexican and
Latin American dishes. They are sort of fusion cuisines. But then I
suppose these days what kitchen has not been affected by other kitchens?

**By Indian I mean the Indian sub-continent.

 

[John M Ward]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:29:56 +0000 (GMT), John M Ward

Not certain what you mean by an ephemeral group, John - do you mean an
abandoned goup that is presently empty and unused?

Yes, that has worked in the past, with alt.archimedes.bugs, and also on
an in-house forum system at a place where I worked some years ago. I
thought the idea might be helpful here too.

For all that has been said, APIHNA had almost imploded except for the
occasional post. At least there's some traffic now, and it seems to
be a given that many if not most groups go through a life-cycle.

Indeed; which is why I was pleased that this didn't reach the point
where it was just too much to be worth the effort of wading through it
all. I have seen that happen elsewhere.

 

[choro]

People have always had the "right" to make art. Presumably you mean they
have the time or the means to make art. But then art or the lack of it
is in everything we do. There is art even in serving a dish! Art is
everywhere!

I suspect you mean the latter, as it sounds as if the bricks, neons,
sheep, bed, and crack are not to your taste.

I don't think they're to mine either (except the neon - I'm unfamiliar
with what you're referring to there), but I don't feel qualified to say
they're definitely not art, only that they don't do much for me.

Back to the times when "art" still encompassed a reaching out to
something higher.
In my humble opinion the greatest of all the great "starving in a
garret" composers was Schubert. Shy, tubby little Schubert. Schubert
who saw Beethoven striding through Vienna, never got introduced to him
but helped carry his coffin. Schubert who wouldn't have known what to
do with fame and public recognition if it had blocked his doorway.

I could make a serious case that the "Unfinished" is just about the
greatest symphony ever written; and it wasn't composed while striding
along country lanes and conducting trees; no, it was composed in a

(That image sounds familiar, but I can't place it.)

I like the unfinished.
[]

Two images of Beethoven;
Beethoven the bad;

Beethoven the good;

Ed

The first clip probably does reflect the essence of that event but is
definitely over-dramatized. But I couldn't help myself laughing seeing
the second clip. "Dicktaking" a musical work in that fashion would take
forever and I dare say it would have been an easier task for Beethoven
to write it down himself rather than dictating it in that fashion. Or he
could have written the basic stuff and left it to some assistant to fill
in the fluff!

This is really comical. It is something like taking instructions on the
phone to paint a Mona Lisa. I have a theory that Leonardo da Vinci
instructed his blonde secretary over the phone to create the Mona Lisa! ;-)
-- choro

PS. Or was his secretary a brunette? May be he met her at one of those
Berlusconi bunga bunga parties!

Ain't I just being a bit too sarcastic?!

 

[Mack A. Damia]

(Snip)


Had a look and even though I have not had Mexican Birria, I recognize
the dish. The the versions I have had most probably taste different
owing to the slight variations in their preparations and the spices and
herbs used. But I believe that Puryan and/or Briani is basically the
same dish. Briani of course you will find in any Indian** restaurant.

Heaven knows where the dish originated! But I rather fancy Mexican and
Latin American dishes. They are sort of fusion cuisines. But then I
suppose these days what kitchen has not been affected by other kitchens?

**By Indian I mean the Indian sub-continent.

Lard is still the favorite choice of cooking oil/fat in Mexico; yet,
Mexicans have one of the longest lifespans among all the peoples of
the world.

Go figure.

 

[choro]

Lard is still the favorite choice of cooking oil/fat in Mexico; yet,
Mexicans have one of the longest lifespans among all the peoples of
the world.

Go figure.

If you wait till next year all the medical establishments will sing the
praises of red meat and lard and warn you of how good butter is for you
as opposed to margarine which, they will say, has been proven to be
carcinogenic!

And did you know that ordinary water of the H2O variety is definitely a
health risk and that you could die drinking it? And there is solid proof
to this effect. A girl in the USA died drinking water! True! Honest!
-- choro

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Your quote: "Very dull". And that is unenlightened.

I still can't make sense of what you meant by "the same way". No real
antecedents there.

As for my being very unenlightened, yes, My Lord, you must be correct in
this world of absolute truths.

Beautiful, indeed, but no comparison to the ones I mentioned, which
are universally recognised. We live in parallel universes.

Not universally, sorry, My Lord.

I don't agree. I think they are beautiful pieces of music, but they
aren't among the best sonatas Beethoven composed - unless you want to
set yourself above the experts.

Yes, My Lord.

I would say the same about Bach's choral music, and I love Mozart's
Requiem. I listened to it as the old century faded, and then played
the Dvorák's New World Symphony as the new one began.

Congratulations, My Lord. A perfectly divine way to cross over t=into a
new century.

BTW, it's Dvoøák.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Sorry. I've just found out that everything I said about the Janissary
Marches was wrong. It has just occurred to me that I had worked things
out in my head; not even using YouTube or the benefit of an actual
recording and created a type of marching in my head that imitated the
Janissary March but what I created was not the real thing. I am sorry,
if I have misled you.

You are absolutely right. The marches *are* in duple time. I was
confused the fact that every 4th step is skipped but on the 4th beat the
marchers turn their bodies in the direction of the foot that is forward.
Unfortunately the video synchronization is not so good but you'll see
this method of marching at the beginning of the first video -- just
after the B&W section at roughly 0'15 to 0'18". Watch the close-up of
the steps as taken by the man in the red robe leading the marchers.

MEHTERAN (Ceddin Deden Neslin Baban)

!. It's quite stirring, IMPO.

2. With that pause, it could work *quite well* with a 9, although I
might argue that it's closer to a dance than a march Or it's a
ceremonial march, but anyway, it is new to me and it becomes a good
argument for a 9:8 march. So you win, after all.

3. I was at a folk dance gathering last night. Last night's teaching and
music were devoted to Greek dances, but some of the dances they played
were 9:8, and when I wasn't dancing, I marched in the normal left-right
way, which of course didn't work. I discussed your previous point with a
couple of friends. Next meeting (two weeks, because of Thanksgiving)
I'll show them what this film clip demonstrates. We *are* willing to
learn!

İtalya'yı İnleten Mehteran Takımımız

That's a different thing, but interestingly, when the soldiers came out
and did their mock battle, I almost thought I was watching Morris
Dancing.

Some say "Morris" in that phrase is a corruption of "Moorish". Coupled
with that clip, I might very well agree...

I feel such a fool relying on my memory and creating a new form of 9/8
marching in my mind. Idiot that I am!
-- choro

Given how your clip looked to me, I have to disagree that you're a fool!

Thanks.

 

[Mack A. Damia]

I still can't make sense of what you meant by "the same way". No real
antecedents there.

You're not too smart, are you, peon?

"I chose to skip the video...That old impromptu is very dull."

As for my being very unenlightened, yes, My Lord, you must be correct in
this world of absolute truths.

You're the one, peon, who apperas to put yourself above everybody
else.

Not universally, sorry, My Lord.

Musical tastes differ, peon.

Yes, My Lord.

You do want to set yourself above the throng, don't you, peon? Choose
three of Beethoven's most idiosyncratic pieces and say "they're the
best". Seen that done before by little children and inferior beings.

You poor soul, peon.

Congratulations, My Lord. A perfectly divine way to cross over t=into a
new century.

BTW, it's Dvo?ák.

I peon you, too.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

!. It's quite stirring, IMPO.

2. With that pause, it could work *quite well* with a 9, although I
might argue that it's closer to a dance than a march Or it's a
ceremonial march, but anyway, it is new to me and it becomes a good
argument for a 9:8 march. So you win, after all.

3. I was at a folk dance gathering last night. Last night's teaching and
music were devoted to Greek dances, but some of the dances they played
were 9:8, and when I wasn't dancing, I marched in the normal left-right
way, which of course didn't work. I discussed your previous point with a
couple of friends. Next meeting (two weeks, because of Thanksgiving)
I'll show them what this film clip demonstrates. We *are* willing to
learn!


That's a different thing, but interestingly, when the soldiers came out
and did their mock battle, I almost thought I was watching Morris
Dancing.

Some say "Morris" in that phrase is a corruption of "Moorish". Coupled
with that clip, I might very well agree...


Given how your clip looked to me, I have to disagree that you're a fool!

Thanks.

The first sentence above should read thus:
1. It's quite stirring, IMHO.

Anyway, I tracked down some 9:8 music for your entertainment and
edification (and in the process enjoyed listening to some old favorites
of mine!).

Here are two versions of a Bulgarian 9:8 dance. The first is the way we
do it around here, the second is from another village (folk-dancers'
slang meaning the way they do it at another venue).

It's called Dajchovo Horo, where "daj" is pronounced like "dye" in
English. The rhythm is Q-Q-Q-S (quick-quick-quick-slow, or 2-2-2-3),
accent on the slow, which is usual.

The second looks like a great party - wish I'd been there

Here's another 9:8, but this time it's Q-S-Q-Q, accented on the S; it's
Macedonian, IIRC (and it sounds Macedonian). It's called Shto mi e milo.

Here's a fragment of the same melody with a different title and lyrics,
showing the dance as well (it's the only one I could find under the
alternate name):

There's another tune with the same name and lyrics, which kept turning
up while I looked for the one above. This one, another favorite of mine,
is in a S-Q-Q rhythm. Since I love this one too, I had add these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjY7LIdYe54&feature=related

For many people this stuff is exotic, I guess, but it is one of the
places where I live, esthetically. You (any reader of this) are
obviously not required to like the music, but if you do like it, so much
the better. But in either case, I had much pleasure finding and
listening to these clips.