Newsgroups, Windows live mail

[Bruce Hagen]

Thanks Bruce! I didn't know that - just seeing Windows Live Essentials
in uninstall/change, I had assumed it was all or none. Has Microsoft
done anything similar with the installation of a program "suite" where
the uninstallation is not obvious, or was Live Essentials the first?

Are you speaking of a suite other than Windows Live Essentials?

If you are asking about WLE, you can download the entire set, or just the
ones you want.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials?os=other

I believe if you choose Save for the entire set, you can install only the
ones you want from the set, but I'm not about to test that right now.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

This is really wierd. All I see are two colored vertical lines.
I suppose I really should buy a new PC and see what this is all about.

It has *nothing* to do with your PC or OS. That's the way your
*newsreader*, Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118), renders the ">" and
">>" symbols. Try using Ctrl-u to see the source.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?

 

[Jeff Layman]

Are you speaking of a suite other than Windows Live Essentials?

Yes - any suite.

If you are asking about WLE, you can download the entire set, or just
the ones you want.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials?os=other

Is that a change from WLE 2010? I'm pretty certain that when I wanted
to download WLM about this time last year I wasn't offered an option -
if I wanted WLM I had to have all the other stuff.

I believe if you choose Save for the entire set, you can install only
the ones you want from the set, but I'm not about to test that right now.

It looks like wlsetup-web.exe is some sort of download manager. Having
just uninstalled the dross, I don't intend to try it either!

 

[milt]

Basically MS wants newsgroups to die so they are doing everything they
can to facilitate that. They no longer support newsgroups and they seem
to be removing access to them from their software. That will only affect
the people that can't be bothered to look for software and just run what
MS throws at them. For the rest of us, newsgroups aren't going anywhere,
in fact, its looking like the Eternal September that started so long ago
is finally ending, thankfully!

 

[milt]

It's so, alright, but it's not the only thing broken in WLM 15.

I'm sure its intentional... if they break newsgroup access, then it will
get people to blame the newsgroups for being "old" and then scrap them
in favor of web-based forums. Not the first time MS went about trying to
set their own standards.

 

[Gordon]

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?

No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

 

[Gordon]

in fact, its looking like the Eternal September that started so long ago
is finally ending, thankfully!

Eh? Citations for that please?

 

[relic]

No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

Whoa... I was wondering why my car is so old, I quit smoking!
Thanks.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

Then I'm stuck. My car has no ashtrays. But for the same reason as
relic in his reply, I'll have the car forever anyway.

 

[BobbyM]

Yes - any suite.

Is that a change from WLE 2010? I'm pretty certain that when I wanted to
download WLM about this time last year I wasn't offered an option - if I
wanted WLM I had to have all the other stuff.


It looks like wlsetup-web.exe is some sort of download manager. Having
just uninstalled the dross, I don't intend to try it either!

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The installer is for all Windows Live products. When set up begins, you
are given the default option of installing all or customizing your
install. This is similar to the installation of other Microsoft suites.

If you choose to install only some of the Windows Live programs, you
have to be careful when updating, as you will once again be given the
default option of installing those you didn't previously install &
updating the others or updating only those that you've already installed.

 

[GreyCloud]

Not necessarily, I still use the now defunct Eudora 7.1.0.9 for email,
Agent 6 for newsgroups and Opera as a browser.

Interesting. But see, I did find out new items to ponder.

You've been given some good advice, my above is just tit bits from me.

For me on this old sun box, getting other mail programs or browsers is
pretty limited now.
Even upgrading to a newer version of Thunderbird is a total pain to
install properly.

 

[GreyCloud]

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?

comp.os.mac.advocacy is one, but it is a cesspool.
Hard to get decent information from some of the denizens there from what
I've seen.
That's why I'm now reading this newsgroup to see how things stack up for
Win7.

 

[GreyCloud]

Why would congress care?

Well, for what it is worth, they are now pushing for an internet kill
switch for the president
in case of an emergency... whatever that could mean.
From all that I've heard in the news they don't seem to like any
criticism and would like to silence
the people... consider the Gifford shooting as an example of all the
political vitriol that was just
spewed.

 

[GreyCloud]

It has *nothing* to do with your PC or OS. That's the way your
*newsreader*, Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118), renders the ">" and
">>" symbols. Try using Ctrl-u to see the source.

I see now. Everything shows the symbols as you have described, but not
messed up
on my end. I always learn something new.

 

[Emrys Davies]

If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the Control
Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click | Uninstall. At that
point you are given the opportunity to check the components you want to
remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

I downloaded (customized) WLM, but only Windows Live Essentials is shown in
'Uninstall a Programme'. After what you said I r.c. on it and I get
'Uninstall/Change, but I did not go any further because the last thing I
want to do is lose my WLM. If I c. on it would I get the options which you
describe?

 

[Stan Brown]

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They
have been threatened by congress too.

That is a myth, right up there with "you can't use our bathroom
because our insurance company says no." In other words, it's a
convenient but mendacious excuse for doing what they want to do
anyway.

In this case, "what they want to do anyway" is drop newsgroups so
that hey can save server space and support personnel. What's
mendacious is the claim that Usenet is inherently violating the
RIAA's rights. Binary groups maybe, but text groups clearly not.
And even if binary groups are posting copyright violations, that's
not sufficient to shut them down, any more than Verizon should shut
down all its phone service because someone uses a swear word in a
phone call. Look up "common carrier" doctrine.

But ISPs *want* to eliminate Usenet, so they have no interest in
fighting outside pressure. Instead they point to the outside
pressure and say "see? we have no choice."

 

[Stan Brown]

Eh? Citations for that please?

"Eternal September" is now a Usenet provider. But when AOL first
gatewayed to Usenet, most groups were flooded with crap postings
(like what we're now getting from WLM and what we had from egghead,
plus Google Groups). We old hands said "it's always September",
referring to the halcyon days when most Usenet postings came from
universities, so every September we had to break in a new crowd of
newbies.

Or I could have just sent you to
http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/jargon/html/S/September-that-
never-ended.html

 

[Bruce Hagen]

I downloaded (customized) WLM, but only Windows Live Essentials is shown
in 'Uninstall a Programme'. After what you said I r.c. on it and I get
'Uninstall/Change, but I did not go any further because the last thing I
want to do is lose my WLM. If I c. on it would I get the options which
you describe?

You *must* go one step further. Trust me. It will ask which programs you
want to remove.

That said, like everything else WM "Live", IMHO, that is a crappy way to
remove specific programs.

 

[relic]

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They have
been threatened by congress too.

Google Cuomo vs usenet