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Char Jackson

"Clogwog" wrote in message


Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!


Are you sure?
You just answered your own question. Look at the quote levels above.
Is that messed up enough for you? Can you see where Clogwog's comments
end and yours begin? Well, neither can we, and that's one reason why
it's a mess.
 
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John Morrison

Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?
Not necessarily, I still use the now defunct Eudora 7.1.0.9 for email,
Agent 6 for newsgroups and Opera as a browser.
On this old Sun Box, and getting long in the tooth, I'm getting little
support from Oracle since Sun sold out.
No more updates... nothing. So I'm looking to ditch this box.
You've been given some good advice, my above is just tit bits from me.
 
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Jeff Layman

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.
And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.
 
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Bob Henson

I think they may find that Usenetters won't give up that easily. I can
think of a few that would change O/S rather than give in to Microsoft's
attempts at total domination and switch to their forums.

15 doesn't support usenet. Anyone who says different is a complete douche
Agreed - you just proved it very successfully. Look at the mess it made
of the quoting. The other main problem is that if the WLM user doesn't
remove the signature of the last poster by hand (should be automatic in
a real mail program) the message becomes part of the last signature, and
is either impossible to read, or stripped off and missing altogether,
depending on the receiver's setting.
 
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Stan Brown

"Stan Brown" wrote in message

[quoted text muted]
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.
Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me.
It does not, and the above is a perfect illustration. You have
screwed up the quotes, taking credit (in effect) for what I said.
 
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Stan Brown

"Char Jackson" wrote in message

[quoted text muted]
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L
Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.
That is not true.
 
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Gordon

Most dedicated newsreaders have much stronger filtering features than
do OE, WLM, and TBird.
TBird's Newsgroup filters are now (v 3.1.x) much better than they have
been - they allow you to filter on any message header now...
 
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Roy Smith

Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?
There is no email program that comes with Windows 7. Though some PC
manufacturers bundle Windows Live Mail among the other crap they put on
their PC's.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Postbox 2.1.2
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:32:52 AM
 
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Roy Smith

I am using WLM and it is quoting everything very well.
That's because you are using the previous version. It's the latest
version that doesn't do quoted text properly.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Postbox 2.1.2
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:37:47 AM
 
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G. Morgan

Char Jackson said:
It's so, alright, but it's not the only thing broken in WLM 15.
Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.
 
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Gordon

Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.
Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...
 
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Ken Blake

Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?


No. Windows 7 has no standard e-mail client. It comes with none.
However, since it's free, many (probably most) OEMs are bundling it
with computers they sell. As a result it has become the post popular
e-mail client used with Windows 7, and many people who got it with
their computers don't even realize that it's not part of Windows 7.
 
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Jack

Jeff Layman said:
And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.
No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.
 
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Jack

Alias said:
First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service. That
pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see Apple in
the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?
Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They have been
threatened by congress too.
 
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relic

Stan Brown said:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message

[quoted text muted]
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L
Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.
That is not true.
If you'd learn to attribute correctly you'd see that it IS true.
 
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Jeff Layman

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.
Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the other
Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with them
using disk space whether you use them or not.
 
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Bruce Hagen

Jeff Layman said:
Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the other
Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with them
using disk space whether you use them or not.


If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the Control
Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click | Uninstall. At that
point you are given the opportunity to check the components you want to
remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.
 
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Jeff Layman

If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the
Control Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click |
Uninstall. At that point you are given the opportunity to check the
components you want to remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.
Thanks Bruce! I didn't know that - just seeing Windows Live Essentials
in uninstall/change, I had assumed it was all or none. Has Microsoft
done anything similar with the installation of a program "suite" where
the uninstallation is not obvious, or was Live Essentials the first?
 

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