Gaining control in w-7

[Gene E. Bloch]

What method? I created 'The Administrator' account but it has no more
privileges than the 'An Administrator' account. Why would I lie about it?
That makes no sense and is offensive. How can I change anything when the
choices are grayed out in both accounts? Why not describe how to get them
active instead of grayed out an unclickable?

Are we even talking about the same thing?

Not in the least.

You don't *create* an account called "The Administrator", you *enable*
the existing, but by default hidden, account called "Administrator" and
log in or switch user to it.

Note that there is no definite article in the correct account name.

I would tell you how to do it, but the level of competence you display
makes me think that giving you that information would be an actionable
offense.

A few minutes ago, in response to another post of yours, I actually
created a post with information on enabling that account, but then I
panicked and deleted it unsent. Honestly, I think I did you a favor by
cancelling it.

 

[Nil]

You don't *create* an account called "The Administrator", you
*enable* the existing, but by default hidden, account called
"Administrator" and log in or switch user to it.

Even so, it's not necessary to use The Supreme Omniscient Administrator
Account to do these operations with Windows Live Mail. Any account with
administrative privilege can do them, they just have to take ownership
and be asked to confirm their actions.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

After playing a bit (after I put my Administrator cape on[1]), that mea
culpa still stands.

[1] Holy moley! It's sure hard to find a phone booth these days.

You know we can see you in there, right?

What? Really? Oh no!

It is not really a big deal if you can change into your costume
at superspeed. Why a phonebooth is even needed then, I do not know.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Bob Hatch]

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :^) MS no longer allows the user to gain
Permission to copy, move, rename or delete files. It's all grayed out.

Apparently MS no longer allows "a" user to gain those permissions.


--
I do not carry a gun hoping that
I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than
I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat
tire.
Me.

 

[Joe Morris]

[1] Holy moley! It's sure hard to find a phone booth these days.
You know we can see you in there, right?

What? Really? Oh no!

It is not really a big deal if you can change into your costume
at superspeed. Why a phonebooth is even needed then, I do not know.

High-tech (or at least "higher-tech") fig leaf?

....which triggered a question: when were the last of the stand-alone, wooden
telephone booths in the US taken out of service?

Joe

 

[John Williamson]

Really? So the selections are grayed out because my name is Breener and
MS had something against those with my name? LOL!!!!! Now you are a
real comic.

Your theory has merit. ;-)

On the other hand, if you are using Home Premium or Starter editions,
many options which are only available in the more expensive editions of
Windows 7 are shown in the menus but are either greyed out or just don't
work. File system encryption is one such. Home edition can *read*
encrypted NTFS file systems, but can't create them. The code is there in
your computer, but disabled by a policy enforced by your licence key.
Microsoft's general idea is to make you pay the extra to upgrade your
edition of Windows. If you do pay the extra, no new code is downloaded,
but your new licence key will enable the blocked facilities. So, to get
the control you used to have over your earlier systems, pay M$ the fee
for the Ultimate edition key, and you will be able to play to your
heart's content.

If you want *full* control over your computer, install one of the many
versions of Linux and be prepared to spend a long time learning how to
use it.

If it's any consolation, I suspect that when Windows 8 finally arrives,
it will be even more "locked down" than Windows 7 is, and will be
approaching the Apple "walled garden" idea.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Did you happen to notice the little yellow LED, the sarcasm light, in
the lower right corner of Char's reply?

Yes, and took it to mean he had no idea there was ever a delete button, or
could be a delete button at the top of the WindowsExplorer page.

No matter how much someone thinks or believes they know everything, they
*don't* know everything. And looking down on someone else, or mocking
someone else they see as inferior to themselves doesn't increase their own
knowledge. It's a mentality mode seen at the Hospital all the time. :^)

 

[R. H. Breener]

Heh heh heh, reminds of when I found a lost cell phone. I was with my
family at a restaurant and on leaving noticed a cell phone on the floor.
No one around claimed it as their own. So I sat down to see if I could
find some contact info on the owner. Eventually I found a contact named
"Mom" and called that. Just as mom answered, her daughter walked in the
door and replied that, yes, it was her cell phone. Before I found the
"Mom" contact, I had gone through the maintenance section to see if the
owner info was there, or maybe account info so I could call the cell
provider to have them do a lookup. This gal was spending, on average,
about $230/month for cell service. Yikes!!!

It was nice of you to try and get it back to it's owner. Not everyone would
have done that. She may not have been able to live without it. <only
kidding> One of our grown daughters spends more than that every month as
they have every new piece of technology that comes out. Cell phones with
every bell and whistle. IPods. Tablets. Those small Notebooks and laptops.
All kinds of apps for these things. Their own portable Verizon hot spot.
I asked her one time why they have all these electronic things and she said,
"Because we can." Neither has the type of job where anything more than a
basic cell phone would be necessary or even a pager if they still exist.

I only spend $150 for TWO YEARS on my Tracfone and I still end up with a
vast majority of minutes to carry over into the next subscription.

The wife pays the bills so I'm not sure what the cell phones cost every
month. It was $10 a month for the second cellphone w/the same number. I
remember her telling me that. I carry it in the van for emergencies. My own,
or a family emergency should something happen when I'm not home. Half the
time I forget to turn it on. As you probably suspect I'm no gadget freak
nor do I have a deep interest in tweaking computer programs or knowing how
they work or spending hours soaking up techie websites. There's nothing
wrong with that as each of us have our own interests. When I can, I like to
get online, get my email, maybe spend a little time on Usenet and do some
web surfing.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Apparently MS no longer allows "a" user to gain those permissions.

Does it make you feel superior to look down on people with less computer
knowledge? It's sad when a man has to resort to that tactic to build his
ego and self esteem.

FYI, I didn't have to go through all this Permissions bullshit with W98,
W98SE, XP or even Vista, and never had a problem with any of them. Shove
that up your upturned nose and snort it.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Not "us", just you.

Really? So the selections are grayed out because my name is Breener and MS
had something against those with my name? LOL!!!!! Now you are a real
comic.

Uh... don't quit your day job at McDonalds. ;^)

 

[R. H. Breener]

But you have Premium, right ?

Home Prmium.

Stuff works for me, in the Premium on my Win7 x64 laptop.

Stuff works for me too.... except when I want to do something, and find I
can't gain permission because those "permissions" windows don't allow it.

If I wanted to add TakeOwn to my context menu, my computer would let me.

It's not there on mine. How did you add that to the menu?

And... there's always an explanation for what happens on a computer.
We just don't know what that explanation is right now.

This is true. I can't know why I can't gain control of files and why things
on the menu are grayed out. Why I get popups saying I don't have Permission
to get Permission when I'm trying to get Permission. It's crazy. It's
confusing and it's frustrating. I'm not a MS tech or a software writer. I
spent time with the help info on gaining Permissions and it starts to boggle
my mind. It's hard to believe the software writers at MS believe the
average Joe and Jane is knowledgeable enough to gain these permissions when
they try and do something on W7.

In the User Accounts here, the user "Andy" is an administrator.
Does your account show up like "Andy" ? Or like "Susan".

http://www.windows7password.net/wp-...-user-and-set-up-parental-control-300x254.jpg

Paul

It doesn't look like either one. I also added an Admin account as advised
by someone here. I can only sign into one or the other as you know. The
one I use, the 1st one, says "Breener Administrator" and the other account
says "Administrator Adminstrator." The word prepeated twice.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Not in the least.

You don't *create* an account called "The Administrator", you *enable*
the existing, but by default hidden, account called "Administrator" and
log in or switch user to it.

That's what I did by following the directions given me here. To me that was
"creating" an account. I'm not familiar with the tech terms as others here
seem to be.

The account was *ENABLED* using the directions one of your techie brothers
here already gave me. You don't remember? I did it using the Command
Prompt:

Net user administrator active:yes and
The command completed successfully.

Note that there is no definite article in the correct account name.

I would tell you how to do it, but the level of competence you display
makes me think that giving you that information would be an actionable
offense.

Is there some rule that people who come to this group have to have some
special level of competence with a brand new OS they just acquired? How
would they be competent when they barely set the computer up?

A few minutes ago, in response to another post of yours, I actually
created a post with information on enabling that account, but then I
panicked and deleted it unsent. Honestly, I think I did you a favor by
cancelling it.

You did me a favor by not giving me help in plan English? By jumping to
conclusions? Then why are you here and not on a Forum for professional
software writers and Lic PC technicians? Why not have a test here to make
sure everyone who comes for help meets your high standards of competency?
The account was *ENABLED* using the directions one of your techie buddies
here already gave me. You don't remember? I did it using the Command
Prompt:

Net user administrator active:yes

 

[R. H. Breener]

Even so, it's not necessary to use The Supreme Omniscient Administrator
Account to do these operations with Windows Live Mail. Any account with
administrative privilege can do them, they just have to take ownership
and be asked to confirm their actions.

And yet the choice *wasn't there* called EDIT on right click. So there was
no way to get those Administrative Privileges according to your post.

Not knowing why the word EDIT wasn't there on the right click drop down
window on the WindowsMail folder, you refused to reply. When you don't have
the answer and you don't know the answer, just say so. No one will think
less of you.

I just looked again RIGHT NOW and there is no EDIT on the dropdown window
when WindowsMail is right clicked.

 

[VanguardLH]

I have no upgrade OS disks. They're all from HP when I bought new
computers. I have them for XP and Vista.

Another problem that I forgot to mention is that branded install discs
may be BIOS-locked to a particular vendor and even restricted to a
family of their models. That is, the installer will look in the
firmware signature of the BIOS to see that it is being ran on the
vendor's brand of computer and may require to be within a set of models
(family) of products from that vendor. If you don't have a non-branded
(generic) install disc for Windows XP, I wouldn't bother with installing
a VMM to see if the branded disc might work - unless you have the time
and obstinence to try.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Why I mentioned you might just give up on local e-mail clients and go
with the webmail client supplied by your e-mail provider.

I use gmail as Verizon doesn't, to my knowledge, supply an email service. I
would rather use WM or OE for my email and Usenet access.

I don't have Tbird installed in a virtual machine right now to go check
on those wants. For help on using Tbird, I'd suggest talking to the
community focused on that product. Mozilla operates their own NNTP
server which is:

news.mozilla.org

I'll check that out. Thanks.

There are Tbird groups over there where you can ask for help. However,
you might end up getting pointed at several extensions (add-ons) for
Tbird to expose configuration settings hidden in .css files. I don't
know why Mozilla decided to hide all those settings rather than include
them ALL in their config screens. A lot of extensions do nothing more
than expose those otherwise hidden settings.

I didn't know that. Thanks again.

Was Windows 7 an upgrade for a full retail/OEM version? If it was an
upgrade then the license for Windows from which you upgraded is no
longer valid. All upgrade licenses must track back to a full version.
All licenses other than the last upgrade become invalid.

I have no upgrade OS disks. They're all from HP when I bought new computers.
I have them for XP and Vista.

You install VMWare Player.

OK, I looked that up today. :^)

Both VMWare Player and Windows VirtualPC (WinPC) for XP Mode mandate
that your CPU and BIOS support hardware-assisted virtualization (HAV).
Old CPUs and motherboard (with their old BIOS) don't support HAV.
Microsoft has a tool to test if your platform supports HAV. It's at:

www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=592

That is helpful also. I'm sure the new PC with W7 supports it but will
check.

You don't install it, just unzip it and run. If your CPU and BIOS do
not support HAV then you have to use some other VMM (virtual machine
manager), like VirtualPC 2007 or VirtualBox.



Depends on how their restore procedure works. For some pre-built
computers, you restore an image of the OS partition. That won't work to
restore to an emulated hard disk inside a virtual machine. Some
pre-builts run their own customized setup.exe program. It runs the
Windows installer but is customized for their model on which it is ran.
That means it includes drivers and bundleware for that model. The
emulated hardware inside a virtual machine will NOT match on your
hardware. So whether the setup.exe completes okay is something I don't
know but suspect you'll run into problems during the install or when you
try to load or use that OS as a guest (i.e., in a virtual machine).

I believe I will also since it's a HP copy and not the MS one bought in the
stores. When the Vista or XP disks are inserted they do a System Recovery
(SR) on partition C: I can also do a SR from partition D: BTW, I still
have the disks but not the XP machine anymore. IOW, if I inserted the Vista
disk into the W7 machine, it would try to do a System Recovery giving me no
choice of where to install it. But I don't believe it would even work on
that PC. The PC mfgs and MS make sure people can't use the MS OS's for free
on PCs other than the one the mfg installed it on.

It used to be called VMWare Server but VMWare dropped support for it.
Instead they rolled the VMM (virtual machine manager) into their Player
product so now it is the VMM you use instead of the old Server product.
VirtualPC 2007, Windows VirtualPC (WinVPC), VMware Server or Player,
VirtualBox, and others are what you use to run a virtual machine (guest
OS) atop your real OS (the host OS).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine#List_of_virtual_machine_software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines
Gotcha.


Microsoft even has their Hyper-V operating system. It is the base or
controlling OS atop of which all the operating systems are ran inside a
virtual machine. That is, ALL your normal operating systems are virtual
machines so you can have many of them. Obviously this requires some
rather robust hardware to handle lots of guest operating systems.


You install the VMM (VMware Player, VirtualPC 2007, Virtualbox, etc).
Inside that VMM, you create a definition for a virtual machine (VM).
You boot the VM (just like you do your real host) and then proceed with
the installation of whatever OS inside that VM.


You said that you wanted Outlook Express. The last version of Outlook
Express is version 6. OE always comes bundled with IE. To get OE6
means you have to get IE6. Windows XP comes with IE6 so you get the OE6
that is bundled with it. Windows Vista comes with IE7 as its base
version so you also don't have OE under Windows Vista.

That may work. It's worth a try.

And what is that?

WindowsMail if possible, but I will definately take OE if it'll work on W7.
WM comes with W7 but wont open because of all kinds of Permission and
Control and Administrator issues I can't get past. Someone at work told me
MS did that because of some kind of lawsuit threat. Something to do with
monopolizing the market. He wasn't exactly sure of the details. It wasn't
because MS, out of the goodness of it's heart, wanted people to try other
email/news programs as someone here suggested. WM also comes on Vista and
is enabled and quite popular apparently with those who don't want a program
loaded with bells and whistles and all kinds of filters only geeks would
care about. Nils gave me directions on how to enable it in W7 but failed to
respond when I said the choice of *EDIT* was not on the dropdown menu when
WindowsMail is right clicked in W7. I don't get it... it's my fault the
word isn't there or on the properties window. I didn't write the software.
There is an EDIT on the security tab but it wont give permission to take
control of the files in the folder.


It didn't look in your other thread like you got

Windows Mail working under Windows 7.

No I never got it to work on W7 because I can't get past all the aggravating
unwanted security features and Permissions and TrustedInstallers and Admins
etc etc. No one seems to know how all that crap is disabled or gotten rid
of. I'd have to find a Lic MS tech as they would know for sure.

You asked on how to get OE to

work on Windows 7 which I addressed there and here. So what did you
decide to use that "works for you"?

I'll let you know if OE/bundled with IE6 works on W7. Either OE or WM
would make me happy. I'll download IE 6 and see it that works since OE
would be fine if it works on W7. I'd be thrilled out of my freaking mind.
:^) OE was 32bit and my version of W7 is 64bit. It may run under x86 in
W7. Hey, it's worth a try............

 

[VanguardLH]

VanguardLH wrote ...


IE6 wont download from any site I found online, to the W7 PC. I get the
"IE6 Will Not Run on 64 Bit" error. And on Vista, it wont download because
it says I have a newer version of IE. Now the problem is IE9 doesn't show
up in Programs and Features to uninstall it, and it has no uninstall files.
If I delete it (all the files) from WindowsExplorer, what about the keys?
Do I have to go to regedit and remove any keys associated with it?

You cannot install a version of IE that is an earlier version than the
base version of IE that comes bundled with Windows. You cannot
uninstall the base version of IE from Windows. If you install a version
of IE that is later than the baseline version included in Windows, you
can uninstall that later version to revert back the baseline version.
The baseline version included in the OS is as far back as you can go.
I've seen tricks that hide the baseline version of IE (for those that
just can't stand seeing any shortcuts to it) but that doesn't actually
uninstall the baseline version of IE.

Windows XP: Comes with IE6 as its baseline version.
Windows Vista: Comes with IE7 as its baseline version.
Windows 7: Comes with IE8 as its baseline version.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer#OS_compatibility to
find which version of IE was "included" as the baseline version of IE
for which Windows version.

Since you cannot uninstall the base version of IE that came with the OS,
you cannot install an earlier version because the installer will tell
you that there is already installed a newer version of IE.

That's why I suggested using a virtual machine manager. You would
create a virtual machine in which to install Windows XP which comes with
IE6 (which had OE6 bundled with it). Alternatively, if you want to use
WM then you would install Vista in a virtual machine. In fact, you
could have a virtual machine to run Windows XP as the guest OS and
another virtual machine to run Windows Vista as the guest OS. Whether
you could run them both concurrently atop your real OS (Windows 7)
depends on how much memory and processor cores you have. Because you
can define multiple virtual machines (regardless of how many you have
running at the same time), it's possible to have access to multiple
versions of IE under each guest OS. For example, Microsoft even
provides the VHD (virtual hard disks) used with their own VirtualPC 2007
product (which isn't exactly the same as WinVPC that comes in Vista/7
and is a separate download), which are at:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=11575

You don't even need the install CDs for the operating systems under
which these versions of IE are provided. Note that images (the OS for
them) expire at a certain date. When they expire, you replace the .vhd
files with newer ones that you download from here. Their intent is to
give you multiple versions of IE for development and testing purposes
and not to give you a free copy of their OS, so they expire them after
awhile and you have to get a new copy that expires later. While it
isn't difficult to download the new .vhd file(s), they are huge so it
will take awhile to download them. Then you have to copy them over the
existing old .vhd files for each virtual machine (which only works if
you shutdown the guest OS within the virtual machine and not simply
paused the virtual machine).

I've seen schemes mentioned where multiple versions of IE are
concurrently installed (but I don't know if you can use them
concurrently or have to switch between them to use/enable one at a
time). For example, http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE talks about having
multiple versions of IE on Windows XP. I don't know if this scheme
works under Windows 7. They expressly state the multiple concurrent
installs won't work under Vista so it is highly likely the same
restriction applies for Windows 7. I don't think MultipleIE is
supported anymore and it probably won't work for you under Windows 7. I
presented it here to show there were other means of having multiple
versions of IE than having to use virtual machines.

Whether you can use those HP-branded (and perhaps BIOS-locked) install
CDs for Windows XP or Vista is nothing with which I'm familiar. I don't
buy or use branded versions of Windows as guest OS'es in virtual
machines. Someone else will have to tell you if those HP discs work to
install within a virtual machine, or you could just try it with your
fingers crossed.

 

[Asger Joergensen]

Hi R

WindowsMail opened in W-7. )))) Now I can only hope it keeps working.

I did find a place to download (and save) IE6 to Vista without having to unstall IE9.
And if necessary, will move it to W-7 on my flash drive.

I would NOT!! try to install IE6 on a W7 machine, You can not be sure that
W7 will work properly after such a stunt, in earlier versions of windows
IE was an integrated part of the system explorer, I'm not sure when they
got separated so much you could have a system without an IE.

Why not go for a alternate mail and news client instead, there are several
free one one the market.
I use Opera, but I've seen others mention Thunderbird.
Opera have a USB version here:
http://www.opera-usb.com/

Best regards
Asger-P
http://Asger-P.dk/software
QLaunch, INI-Edit and Color Pick Pro.

 

[R. H. Breener]

You said that you wanted Outlook Express. The last version of Outlook
Express is version 6. OE always comes bundled with IE. To get OE6
means you have to get IE6. Windows XP comes with IE6 so you get the OE6
that is bundled with it. Windows Vista comes with IE7 as its base
version so you also don't have OE under Windows Vista.

IE6 wont download from any site I found online, to the W7 PC. I get the
"IE6 Will Not Run on 64 Bit" error. And on Vista, it wont download because
it says I have a newer version of IE. Now the problem is IE9 doesn't show
up in Programs and Features to uninstall it, and it has no uninstall files.
If I delete it (all the files) from WindowsExplorer, what about the keys?
Do I have to go to regedit and remove any keys associated with it?

 

[R. H. Breener]

Your theory has merit. ;-)

On the other hand, if you are using Home Premium or Starter editions, many
options which are only available in the more expensive editions of Windows
7 are shown in the menus but are either greyed out or just don't work.

Yes, I brought that point up I'm sure. That's why I mentioned I have
HomePremium. The others on this NG should be aware of that fact, but don't
seem to be.

File system encryption is one such. Home edition can *read*

encrypted NTFS file systems, but can't create them. The code is there in
your computer, but disabled by a policy enforced by your licence key.
Microsoft's general idea is to make you pay the extra to upgrade your
edition of Windows. If you do pay the extra, no new code is downloaded,
but your new licence key will enable the blocked facilities. So, to get
the control you used to have over your earlier systems, pay M$ the fee for
the Ultimate edition key, and you will be able to play to your heart's
content.

Never happen. This is the last computer I will ever buy with a MS OS
installed on it. I wont be held hostage by MS and use OSs I have so little
control over, even though I paid for the OS. Thank you for being HONEST!
There seems to be some MS apologists on this NG.

If you want *full* control over your computer, install one of the many
versions of Linux and be prepared to spend a long time learning how to use
it.

Yes, I agree. I read that. Linux is not easy to use for non computer geek
types (and I don't use the word geek in a derogatory way) as there is a
steeper learning curve that can cause some real difficulties for those used
to windows or new to computers.

If it's any consolation, I suspect that when Windows 8 finally arrives, it
will be even more "locked down" than Windows 7 is, and will be approaching
the Apple "walled garden" idea.

Ya know, they were talking about that very thing at work the other day.
Someone asked me if I ever got WM working on W7, bitched about the general
loss of control in W7 ....then went on to talk about Apple's "walled garden"
and back to how they have little faith in W8 being any improvement on W7.
Word sure gets around. I guess they know more about computers than I
thought.

 

[R. H. Breener]

And what is that? It didn't look in your other thread like you got
Windows Mail working under Windows 7. You asked on how to get OE to
work on Windows 7 which I addressed there and here. So what did you
decide to use that "works for you"?

WindowsMail opened in W-7. )))) Now I can only hope it keeps working.

I did find a place to download (and save) IE6 to Vista without having to
unstall IE9. And if necessary, will move it to W-7 on my flash drive.