Gaining control in w-7

[RH Breener]

Install Classic Shell and tell trusted user to allow YOU access.

Thank you! I installed it and there's the delete X button, back in
WindowsExplorer. :^) I guess those other guys didn't know what I was
talking about, but you did.

 

[RH Breener]

Have you considered using one of the various Linux Live CD's out there,
and using Linux to replace the DLL file?

You know, for the first time since I bought a computer 16 years ago, I'm
considering Linux.

I have no idea what a Linux Live CD is how to use it to replace a .dll.
Before W7 it was no problem doing something like that in Windows. Where can
I find out how that's done? Trying to follow the info on Sevenforums
doesn't work with the version of W7 I have. The choices are all grayed out
so permissions can't be changed. The user no longer has that choice. MS
took it away from us.

 

[RH Breener]

I wouldn't think it would be that hard to figure out how to copy a single
file. He seems to imply he knows how to do to the actual
replacement, just that Win7 won't let him.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :^) MS no longer allows the user to gain
Permission to copy, move, rename or delete files. It's all grayed out.

 

[RH Breener]

...

Having been unable to accomplish things with an administrator account
that I *could* accomplish when I logged on as The Administrator, I must
respectfully disagree with you.

Not in W7 HomePremium. Even logging in as The Administrator the choices are
grayed out and I can't gain the control needed to remove, rename or delete a
dll file. MS took that power away also.

 

[Asger Joergensen]

Hi RH

I don't have a Linux DVD. I assume I can download Linux like any other software online.

I use this one http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=downloads

It is actually a tool for partitioning hard disks, but it comes on a
linux boot cd that also contains other tools.

How to make the cd:
http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=creating_the_livecd_with_infrarecorder
How to boot
http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=booting

After the file is moved I shut down and remove the Linux DVD?
Yes.

I know nothing about Linux.

I like learning by doing.

Best regards
Asger-P
http://Asger-P.dk/software
QLaunch, INI-Edit and Color Pick Pro.

 

[RH Breener]

Hi RH



Yes you can replace a file in windows using Linux, just boot using a Linux
dvd and replace the file in the same way as you would do in a windows with
no security, but do save the old one, in case it doesn't work.

I don't have a Linux DVD. I assume I can download Linux like any other
software online.

After the file is moved I shut down and remove the Linux DVD? I know
nothing about Linux.

 

[RH Breener]

Are you asking about UAC (User Account Control)?

http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to-disable-and-turn-off-uac-in-windows-7/
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Turn-User-Account-Control-on-or-off

Found by Google searching on: "windows 7" uac turn off disable

Thanks, but that doesn't get rid of the Permissions/Installler/Admin stuff
that's irritating me since I bought the PC. I want to get rid of that. I
never needed it before and don't want it now.

Or are you asking about file permissions? Just because you're an
admin-level user doesn't mean you automatically have permissions to
files owned by other accounts. The owner of the file can add grant you
privileges by either adding your account or the user group to which your
account belongs. Or you, as an admin, can take ownership of the files.

There are two accounts now. THE Admin account, and AN Admin account. I
can't take ownership of anything because when I click on properties and try
to do something, it's grayed out no matter which account I use. Right
clicking gives no choice to Take Ownership. I have HomePremium. How do I
get rid of that dll in WindowsMail in W7?

 

[RH Breener]

If that particular feature is important to you, check out a small
program called Classic Shell. Any search engine will find it.

Thanks, someone else recommended it and I downloaded it.

 

[RH Breener]

I'm quite sure that is NOT true, as I was able to do it in Windows 7
Starter Edition, with is the most basic version available.

I described the method to you already in detail, but chose to ignore
it.

What method? I created 'The Administrator' account but it has no more
privileges than the 'An Administrator' account. Why would I lie about it?
That makes no sense and is offensive. How can I change anything when the
choices are grayed out in both accounts? Why not describe how to get them
active instead of grayed out an unclickable?

Are we even talking about the same thing?

 

[RH Breener]

Hi RH



I use this one http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=downloads

It is actually a tool for partitioning hard disks, but it comes on a
linux boot cd that also contains other tools.

How to make the cd:
http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=creating_the_livecd_with_infrarecorder
How to boot
http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=booting


I like learning by doing.

I would need more help with this. I have no idea what the correct CPU
download would be. I know nothing about Linux. It's a brand new PC and the
software on is a HP proprietary copy of MS W7, not from a MS disk. I would
need to see screenshots and have excellent non technical help files,
something that's become rare these days. This is something for a tech to
do, not someone like myself, but thanks anyway. :^)

Remember, if I screw up, I'm on my own.

 

[RH Breener]

Sorry, but I'd be focusing on moving to a newer and more robust e-mail
client than trying to do a frankenjob on the OS in trying to resuscitate
an Outlook Express clone. Others have probably give you enough info to
see if you can ressurect Windows Mail in Windows 7. I've never bothered
to try that.

I don't need or want a more robust email/usenet client. All I do is get and
reply to my email and do some Usenetting.

In another thread, you said that you don't care for Thunderbird but
didn't mention why. I suspect it is because you aren't familiar with
Thunderbird and want something close to Outlook Express (but you have
the Home edition of Windows 7 which means no XP Mode - but see the
following paragraph).

I can't find help from the TB helpfiles. I can't find anything like the Get
More Headers button so cannot get more headers download than the first 300.
I can't find the info on how to get rid of the fat bar through the page with
From and Subject on it. I can't find the info to expand threads.

If you have a free license for Windows XP then you could use VMWare
Player to install it as a guest OS.

I have the installation disks from HP for XP. Install it on the W7 PC?

Since Windows XP comes with

Internet Explorer, and since that was the last version of IE that
bundled in Outlook Express, then you would have OE available under
Windows XP running in a virtual machine.

How would I add the HP proprietary installation copy of MS XP to W7?
Wouldn't it be rejected by the PC or override W7?

VMWare is claiming their

latest version of VMWare Player is better than XP Mode. Well, their
virtual machine is definitely better but such a claim might mean they
also provide the seamless integration available with XP Mode (so it
looks like the virtualized OS running your app looks like it is running
under your host OS). VMWare Player is free for personal use.

I have no idea what you are talking about. VMPlayer? What would I do with
that? If I can install XP on the same PC as W7, why not install Vista
already? I just can't see sticking the Vista or XP DVD into the new W7 PC
and installing one or the other somehow with or next to or beside
W7.............. ??????? There has to be more to it than that, and yes
they are legal copies from HP.

You might like some other free e-mail client, like those listed at
http://email.about.com/od/windowsemailclients/tp/free_email_prog.htm.
Another list of e-mail clients (some of which are free) is at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients. Or you could
give up on local e-mail clients as many users do and go with your e-mail
provider's webmail client.

Thanks but I would rather stay with what I like and what works for me. :^)

 

[Char Jackson]

You know, for the first time since I bought a computer 16 years ago, I'm
considering Linux.

I have no idea what a Linux Live CD is how to use it to replace a .dll.
Before W7 it was no problem doing something like that in Windows. Where can
I find out how that's done? Trying to follow the info on Sevenforums
doesn't work with the version of W7 I have. The choices are all grayed out
so permissions can't be changed. The user no longer has that choice. MS
took it away from us.

Not "us", just you.

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:29:34 -0400, "Zaphod Beeblebrox"

+1

Hope he has the recovery DVD handy. It is entertaining though, I think
I'll make popcorn...

Sure is getting fun to watch. Having noticed that the OP has created
and logged in as an account called "The Administrator" instead of
logging in as the built-in "Administrator" account, either the OP
really has no business meddling at this level of the OS, much less with
a Linux Live CD that would allow complete and total access without
restriction, or the OP is (successfully) trolling this NG.

 

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:29:34 -0400, "Zaphod Beeblebrox"


Sure is getting fun to watch. Having noticed that the OP has created
and logged in as an account called "The Administrator" instead of
logging in as the built-in "Administrator" account, either the OP
really has no business meddling at this level of the OS, much less with
a Linux Live CD that would allow complete and total access without
restriction, or the OP is (successfully) trolling this NG.

At the moment, I think the second scenario is probably right. Very few
people have that much trouble with the basics, yet are able to find
their way to Usenet and successfully post.

 

[VanguardLH]

All I have is a cheap no frills cell phone for emergencies that I
seldom use, and a GPS unit in the van.

Go into a Verizon store or a Radio Shack, it's mind boggling.

Heh heh heh, reminds of when I found a lost cell phone. I was with my
family at a restaurant and on leaving noticed a cell phone on the floor.
No one around claimed it as their own. So I sat down to see if I could
find some contact info on the owner. Eventually I found a contact named
"Mom" and called that. Just as mom answered, her daughter walked in the
door and replied that, yes, it was her cell phone. Before I found the
"Mom" contact, I had gone through the maintenance section to see if the
owner info was there, or maybe account info so I could call the cell
provider to have them do a lookup. This gal was spending, on average,
about $230/month for cell service. Yikes!!!

I only spend $150 for TWO YEARS on my Tracfone and I still end up with a
vast majority of minutes to carry over into the next subscription.

 

[VanguardLH]

I don't need or want a more robust email/usenet client. All I do is
get and reply to my email and do some Usenetting.

Why I mentioned you might just give up on local e-mail clients and go
with the webmail client supplied by your e-mail provider.

I can't find help from the TB helpfiles. I can't find anything like
the Get More Headers button so cannot get more headers download than
the first 300. I can't find the info on how to get rid of the fat bar
through the page with From and Subject on it. I can't find the info
to expand threads.

I don't have Tbird installed in a virtual machine right now to go check
on those wants. For help on using Tbird, I'd suggest talking to the
community focused on that product. Mozilla operates their own NNTP
server which is:

news.mozilla.org

There are Tbird groups over there where you can ask for help. However,
you might end up getting pointed at several extensions (add-ons) for
Tbird to expose configuration settings hidden in .css files. I don't
know why Mozilla decided to hide all those settings rather than include
them ALL in their config screens. A lot of extensions do nothing more
than expose those otherwise hidden settings.

I have the installation disks from HP for XP. Install it on the W7
PC?

Was Windows 7 an upgrade for a full retail/OEM version? If it was an
upgrade then the license for Windows from which you upgraded is no
longer valid. All upgrade licenses must track back to a full version.
All licenses other than the last upgrade become invalid.

You install VMWare Player.

Both VMWare Player and Windows VirtualPC (WinPC) for XP Mode mandate
that your CPU and BIOS support hardware-assisted virtualization (HAV).
Old CPUs and motherboard (with their old BIOS) don't support HAV.
Microsoft has a tool to test if your platform supports HAV. It's at:

www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=592

You don't install it, just unzip it and run. If your CPU and BIOS do
not support HAV then you have to use some other VMM (virtual machine
manager), like VirtualPC 2007 or VirtualBox.

How would I add the HP proprietary installation copy of MS XP to W7?
Wouldn't it be rejected by the PC or override W7?

Depends on how their restore procedure works. For some pre-built
computers, you restore an image of the OS partition. That won't work to
restore to an emulated hard disk inside a virtual machine. Some
pre-builts run their own customized setup.exe program. It runs the
Windows installer but is customized for their model on which it is ran.
That means it includes drivers and bundleware for that model. The
emulated hardware inside a virtual machine will NOT match on your
hardware. So whether the setup.exe completes okay is something I don't
know but suspect you'll run into problems during the install or when you
try to load or use that OS as a guest (i.e., in a virtual machine).

I have no idea what you are talking about. VMPlayer?

It used to be called VMWare Server but VMWare dropped support for it.
Instead they rolled the VMM (virtual machine manager) into their Player
product so now it is the VMM you use instead of the old Server product.
VirtualPC 2007, Windows VirtualPC (WinVPC), VMware Server or Player,
VirtualBox, and others are what you use to run a virtual machine (guest
OS) atop your real OS (the host OS).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine#List_of_virtual_machine_software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines

Microsoft even has their Hyper-V operating system. It is the base or
controlling OS atop of which all the operating systems are ran inside a
virtual machine. That is, ALL your normal operating systems are virtual
machines so you can have many of them. Obviously this requires some
rather robust hardware to handle lots of guest operating systems.

What would I do with that? If I can install XP on the same PC as W7,

You install the VMM (VMware Player, VirtualPC 2007, Virtualbox, etc).
Inside that VMM, you create a definition for a virtual machine (VM).
You boot the VM (just like you do your real host) and then proceed with
the installation of whatever OS inside that VM.

why not install Vista already?

You said that you wanted Outlook Express. The last version of Outlook
Express is version 6. OE always comes bundled with IE. To get OE6
means you have to get IE6. Windows XP comes with IE6 so you get the OE6
that is bundled with it. Windows Vista comes with IE7 as its base
version so you also don't have OE under Windows Vista.

Thanks but I would rather stay with what I like and what works for me.

And what is that? It didn't look in your other thread like you got
Windows Mail working under Windows 7. You asked on how to get OE to
work on Windows 7 which I addressed there and here. So what did you
decide to use that "works for you"?

 

[Paul]

You know, for the first time since I bought a computer 16 years ago, I'm
considering Linux.

I have no idea what a Linux Live CD is how to use it to replace a .dll.
Before W7 it was no problem doing something like that in Windows. Where
can I find out how that's done? Trying to follow the info on
Sevenforums doesn't work with the version of W7 I have. The choices are
all grayed out so permissions can't be changed. The user no longer has
that choice. MS took it away from us.

But you have Premium, right ?

Stuff works for me, in the Premium on my Win7 x64 laptop.

If I wanted to add TakeOwn to my context menu, my computer would let me.

And... there's always an explanation for what happens on a computer.
We just don't know what that explanation is right now.

In the User Accounts here, the user "Andy" is an administrator.
Does your account show up like "Andy" ? Or like "Susan".

http://www.windows7password.net/wp-...-user-and-set-up-parental-control-300x254.jpg

Paul

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I have one KB also.

Did you happen to notice the little yellow LED, the sarcasm light, in
the lower right corner of Char's reply?

Well, OK, it was sardonic, not sarcastic (oh, forget it - I can't keep
the differences between those words, or ironic, straight in my mind!).

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Not "us", just you.

+12

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

After playing a bit (after I put my Administrator cape on[1]), that mea
culpa still stands.

[1] Holy moley! It's sure hard to find a phone booth these days.

You know we can see you in there, right?

What? Really? Oh no!