Does Microsoft still do outlook express for windows 7.........?

[Char Jackson]

Well I have wasted many years trying to get TB, Agent, XNews, Forte,
Dialog, etc. to do something really simple. Yet none of them can.

That is to show only replies to my posts like OE does (CTRL-H). I can't
believe other news reader programmers all overlook this view!

It's certainly not a feature I have ever missed, but if it's that
important to you and you can't do it through filtering, then I guess
you're stuck using what I consider to be the worst of the worst. But
that's why so many newsreaders exist in the first place. Many of us
have different needs. I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[BillW50]

Believe me when I say that Agent is by far, the best reader.
Even the earlier versions as far back as1.xx..... were highly praised.
I still have ver. 2.0 on another box....

Really? I have used Agent over the years and I am using it now. And I
don't think Agent is really that great. :-(

 

[Char Jackson]

MSDN subscriptions are for developer use only....not for daily use as
the primary OS.

I was trying to regurgitate something that was provided in the Windows
Secrets newsletter quite awhile back. The scenario was that someone
had purchased a new computer with Windows preinstalled, and the
computer either came with only a Restore CD or with no CD at all and
they had the option of burning a Restore CD. What the person really
wanted, though, was a Windows CD rather than (or even in addition to)
a Restore CD. The tip in the newsletter was that you can go to
microsoft.com and download any version of Windows, legally and free,
with the caveat that you have to supply your own valid license key
when you go to install it. I'm sorry I don't remember the details.

 

[BillW50]

try free MicroPlanet Gravity

I am Zaidy! It doesn't look that hot so far. It reminds me a lot like
Forte Agent on the surface.

Anyway to stop Gravity from sorting by threads when you jump from one
newsgroup to another? Sure you can change it by selecting Date. But
jumping back it toggles back to threads once again.

 

[D. Arlington]

If your computer meets the requirements for running MS Virtual Machine,
and if you then upgrade to Win-7 Pro and if you download and install the
XP Mode software into the virtual machine, it will work.

OE will be installed when you install XP and you can do all your email and
newsgroups from OE.

This message posted from a Win 7 machine in XP Mode using Outlook Express.

What would the cost of this upgrade be? Where would I get a copy of XP
that's legal? And who installes it for me? It seems you're talking about a
couple of hundred dollars here plus labor charges at a computer store. Am I
correct? And yet people are hacking Wm into W-7 and it costs nothning.

The only copy I have of XP came on a HP PC and can't be used I was told.
Same for a Vista disk.

 

[D. Arlington]

Well Yes, it is being done, but realize Outlook Express latest version was
what Vista used, and it was just called Windows Mail (Not Live Mail - WLM)
Windows Mail is Outlook Express with a few added features

The copy I took was WindowsMail from my Vista PC. Not the older OE from XP.

The great thing is Windows Mail is already installed on Win7, but they
just
didn't activate it.

Anyway, Windows Mail (again not WLM) is Outlook Express updated, and it
can
be re-instated on Windows7

And so yes in essence you can have Outlook Express on Win7

Instructions how to do it here on post 317:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-32.html#post533107

and/or on post 1 (which got its info from 317)

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-32.html#post533107

I followed this quite closely when it started but haven't kept up with it
and reading a little today I think SP1 may have casued a problem with
those
that had it installed, after reading a little it seems you have to install
SP1 first as per post #993 talks about here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-100.html#post1309124

Anyway, it's possible, but takes an effort

I've already done all that and constantly get this error that one of the
..dlls can't be loaded or WM doesn't open at all. I can't find any info
there as to where to get a .dll that can open or how to get WM to show when
opened and running invisably. Do you know where I can get this .dll that
allows people to use WM on W-7?

 

[D. Arlington]

Of course, I'm of the mind that not even coming close to OE or WM is a big
plus

I understand. But I only use WM for email and Usenet. I don't need all the
bells and whistles these other programs have. The information I was given
by another poster wont get WM to work on W-7. With Home Premium it's hard
to follow since the info given must be for the Pro version. That MSOE.dll
will not load not matter what I do. And now, WM doesn't even give that
error. It now does nothing so the W-7 PC sits here useless with no
email/Usenet program to use.

 

[D. Arlington]

We are of the same mind! It has always boggled me that people would
willingly use OE, and I'll say the same for WM if it's anything like
OE.

Why would it boggle you when it's an easy program to use for Usenet and
email? Not everyone is into complicated software that they can tweak and
play with. :^)

 

[D. Arlington]

Your best bet if you don't want to use OE that's in XPMode is to downgrade
your WLM to the 2009 version. At least it quotes text better than the
2011 version does. If you need the installer, you can get it here:

http://www.mydigitallife.info/download-windows-live-essentials-messenger-version-2009-for-windows-7/

It installed but I can't get my email on that version. I get an 0x800CCC0F
error.

 

[D. Arlington]

Nearly all of them have a free trial. I'm not aware of one that
doesn't, so you wouldn't be out anything but your time.

Is there any you can recommend that works like OE or WM? One that doesn't
include all kinds of confusing filters and makes adding email accounts and
Usenet accounts quick and easy? I don't want to spend days trying new email
clients again that neither myself or my family like or can even figure out.

One horror I downloaded some time back downloaded hundreds of thousands of
NG headers from years back,.... from groups I never even knew existed.
Another downloaded old email from years ago. Mail I deleted years back. I
couldn't get them off my PC fast enough.

 

[D. Arlington]

Did you do it like this?

On the Vista PC open Windows Explorer and go to C:\Program Files and copy
the Windows Mail folder to your USB stick. Pop the USB stick into your
Windows 7 PC
and copy the Windows Mail folder to the same location (C:\Program Files).

That's exactly what I did. But it's from a 32bit Vista machine so was added
to C:\Program files (x86).

Once in place open the folder hold down the Ctrl key then click and drag
and drop a copy of the winmail.exe icon
onto the desktop to create a shortcut.

Fine...I did that. Now how do I get it to open so I can see it and use it
and get around the MSOE.dll that can't be loaded?

 

[Bob Hatch]

What would the cost of this upgrade be? Where would I get a copy of XP
that's legal? And who installes it for me? It seems you're talking about
a couple of hundred dollars here plus labor charges at a computer store.
Am I correct? And yet people are hacking Wm into W-7 and it costs nothning.

The cost of the upgrade, if bought from MS is $89.95.

You download the MS Virtual Machine from Microsoft for free.

You download the XP Mode from Microsoft for free.

The only copy I have of XP came on a HP PC and can't be used I was told.
Same for a Vista disk.

--
I respect that you have an opinion. Don't confuse that
respect with really giving a crap what it is.
"Anon"
http://www.bobhatch.com
http://www.tdsrvresort.com

 

[Char Jackson]

Why would it boggle you when it's an easy program to use for Usenet and
email? Not everyone is into complicated software that they can tweak and
play with. :^)

When given a choice of using a pen, pencil, or crayon, some people
choose the crayon. Who am I to argue? ;-)

 

[D. Arlington]

I've never had a problem sending pictures via Thunderbird and since I
don't do binaries it has worked sufficiently well for me for Usenet. I
also like the fact that the program isn't tied to the operating system so
that if I one day wanted to switch to a Mac I wouldn't have to learn a new
mail/news program.

The pics would attach but didn't go with the mail like in WM and OE. No one
received them. They got a square with a red x in the middle. I couldn't get
my two NSPs to work on TB either. There must be some special thing to do
with that software for it to work with NSPs. TB couldn't connect to the
servers. After a few days of total aggravation and frustration I
uninstalled it. W-7 sits here with no email/news client. I tried WLM 2009
but with that version I can't even connect to the email servers.

I admit the new account wizard for e-mail is problematical in that it opts
for an IMAP set-up first and you may have to jump through a few hoops if
you want a POP set-up.

Who uses IMAP? I've been online since 1995 and never even heard anyone I
know mention IMAP. The POP, when I finally found it, was useless. I
couldn't connect to the mail servers.

No one program suits everyone's needs/wants.

This is true. That's why MS should have made sure those of us using OE and
WM for many many years could still use it with W-7. Those of us who bought
W-7 and can't find a email/Usenet reader we like or that works on W-7 are
screwed. I have a W-7 PC sitting here now that cost over $700 and we can't
use it for much more than a dust collector.

 

[Char Jackson]

Is there any you can recommend that works like OE or WM? One that doesn't
include all kinds of confusing filters and makes adding email accounts and
Usenet accounts quick and easy? I don't want to spend days trying new email
clients again that neither myself or my family like or can even figure out.

No, I'm sorry, but I don't know of any other email or Usenet client in
the same category as OE, or should I say as bad as OE. It's kind of in
a class by itself. The good news is that everything else is a step up.

One horror I downloaded some time back downloaded hundreds of thousands of
NG headers from years back,.... from groups I never even knew existed.
Another downloaded old email from years ago. Mail I deleted years back. I
couldn't get them off my PC fast enough.

Both of those examples are simple user error, very easily corrected
and avoided.

 

[D. Arlington]

I don't know anything about WM and Vista, but OE would work on Win 7
if you ran it in a VM or in XP Mode. I don't think there's any
question or doubt about that.

Have you read other people's problems trying to get it to work on W-7?
Have you tried it? I have. I tried it in Vista and MP mode. All you'll
get is the same old MSOE.dll error - that "WM could not be started because
MSOE.dell could not be loaded." Can you explain how I can get past this
..dll problem? Even though it makes that claim. Task manager shows it
running but it's invisible.

 

[D. Arlington]

When XP first came out, one could buy additional upgrade licenses which
did not include an install CD. That's what I have, 1 complete upgrade
package, and 2 upgrade licenses that don't have a CD. I don't know how
well selling the licenses without an install CD would go because I won't
sell the upgrade package that does have a cd.

Oh... that is a problem.

 

[Nil]

One horror I downloaded some time back downloaded hundreds of
thousands of NG headers from years back,.... from groups I never
even knew existed. Another downloaded old email from years ago.
Mail I deleted years back. I couldn't get them off my PC fast
enough.

I can understand how a newly installed newsreader might download a lot
of old messages if it had not been told in advance to not do so. But
it's worrisome that the program was able to find 'years of old email
that you had deleted years back.' That means that you did NOT delete
the mail as you thought you did, but that it has been accumulating on a
server somewhere. That would be an issue for me - email is private
stuff that you want to keep track of. I suspect that you had OE set to
not delete email from the server after retrieval. I'd look into that if
I were you.

 

[Paul]

What would the cost of this upgrade be? Where would I get a copy of XP
that's legal? And who installes it for me? It seems you're talking
about a couple of hundred dollars here plus labor charges at a computer
store. Am I correct? And yet people are hacking Wm into W-7 and it
costs nothning.

The only copy I have of XP came on a HP PC and can't be used I was told.
Same for a Vista disk.

Using Windows 7 "WinXP Mode" involves:

1) Purchase an Anytime Upgrade. The Windows 7 installation contains elements of
all versions. Purchase of a license key, allows changing your version of
Windows 7. For example, this site advertises changing a Premium machine
to Professional for $77.91. When your Windows 7 version is upgraded, it
allows new things to work. In this example, we're effectively getting a
copy of WinXP for $77.91. But the WinXP we'd be using, is restricted to
working in the virtual environment. You can't move the WinXP this gives
you, to say, a new computer. That won't work. It's for the virtual environment
only.

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Anytime-Upgrade-Professional/dp/B002JYU5WI

2) "WinXP Mode" is a virtual machine. A virtual machine is an "emulation" of a
computer. It's a piece of software that intercepts stuff that an OS would
do and translate it. You download the WinXP Mode software from the Microsoft
site.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

It is only supposed to work, with one of the "higher" versions of Windows 7.

OutLook_Express
|
WinXP Mode (i.e. Guest OS = WinXP) \
| \___ These two download from Microsoft, and
Virtual Machine Software / these will work if your Host OS is upgraded
| to the correct minimal version
Windows 7 ( this is the Host OS )

Now, how would this differ from an application like the free Virtual PC that
Microsoft used to offer for usage with WinXP ? If you were using that, you'd
have to buy your Guest OS to be installed, and the virtual machine layer would
still be free. That's what I run here on my WinXP machine. WinXP is my Host,
and other OSes are the guest (such as Win2K, Ubuntu, etc). I'm not at all
certain what the status of Virtual PC is with respect to Windows 7.

There are other things besides Virtual PC (from Microsoft). For example,
you could use something like VirtualBox from Oracle/Sun.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html

With VirtualBox, the picture would look like this.

OutLook_Express
|
WinXP (i.e. Guest OS, you must provide a copy, and cannot scavenge from the old Dell/HP)
|
Virtual Machine Software VirtualBox, download from Oracle for free.
|
Windows 7 ( this is the Host OS )

I think I've tested that a while back, on my Windows 7 laptop. I used
Win2K as my guest. It worked, but I didn't spend any time on it,
and rolled back the laptop after I was done. I was specifically testing
whether the Guest OS could access a web cam. And it could, but it
was a hair pulling experience (didn't work first time).

One slight difference would be whether a rootless window would be available
for Outlook. The WinXP Mode offers either to draw a frame around the entire
WinXP session. But the display technology used, also allows you to (visually)
call up your copy of Outlook Express, as if it was running in Windows 7. No box
is drawn around the whole session - you see Outlook Express as if it was running
in the OS, without all of the translation implied in the picture. It's an
illusion allowed by the method used to implement it. I think other
applications like VirtualBox could also do it, so the effect isn't limited
to a Microsoft product. I don't know whether VirtualBox has that mode or
not. I think my VirtualBox test had a frame drawn around it.

This is WinXP Mode with the frame drawn around it. It's like looking
at a "PC within a PC". Your copy of Outlook Express would appear
within the frame.

http://res1.windows.microsoft.com/r...7268/8ff10197-17c8-4aa1-9396-3377167d7268.jpg

But you can also access Outlook Express from the Windows 7 start menu, and
then you don't get the frame around everything like in that picture. More
details here.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7

Or if you like movies, they have a teaser clip here of what to expect. This
streams at 60KB/sec (i.e. poor on dialup).

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help/videos/using-windows-xp-mode

Virtual Machine technology is good at some things, and not at others.
The Virtual Machine environment generally gives poor access to hardware.
In the above picture, if you installed Quake 3 inside "WinXP Mode" and
expected to play a game at 100 frames per second, it isn't going to happen.
The WinXP Mode would not have direct hardware access to the video card.
So lots of hardware-specific things won't work. And to give some comparisons,
VirtualPC 2007 (which I use) won't allow you to access USB devices, but
VirtualBox does. Since WinXP Mode is similar to VirtualPC 2007, I wouldn't
expect things like USB web cams to work from within WinXP. But they would
still work in Windows 7. VirtualBox happens to contain a USB emulation
layer, that allows the user to specify which USB devices are
redirected into the virtual machine (so some USB devices are "owned" by the Host,
and some by the Guest, and you control it).

Years ago, I had virtual machine software, that actually had support for
a single video card type (which I happened to own, lucky coincidence). Now,
at that time, the computer instructions were translated, so while the video
card access was fast, the program execution was slow. The current virtual
machine environments, since they emulating x86 on top of x86, will
allow a fair percentage of the instructions to run native. I benchmarked
VirtualPC 2007, and I think I got around 90% of the speed of the same
application running native. So the program should execute pretty fast,
but any hardware it happens to touch, cannot run at full speed. That is
because there is a layer of software there, intercepting all the accesses
and doing whatever is necessary to translate them.

My copy of VirtualPC 2007, emulates a "single core processor". Even though
the Host OS is running on a dual core processor. I don't know whether that
has been corrected for WinXP Mode or not (i.e. allowing all cores to run
within the emulated environment). It's an annoying limitation, if say,
you had video editing software running in the Guest OS. But this won't
prevent you from running Outlook Express (for a price, either an Anytime
Upgrade for WinXP mode, or buying a copy of WinXP and using some other
virtual machine software like VirtualBox).

Paul

 

[Nil]

The pics would attach but didn't go with the mail like in WM and
OE. No one received them. They got a square with a red x in the
middle.

That can only be your error. Attachments work for me and everyone else
I've seen use the feature.

I couldn't get my two NSPs to work on TB either. There
must be some special thing to do with that software for it to work
with NSPs. TB couldn't connect to the servers.

I have no idea what a "NSP" is, but Thunderbird works just fine with
every major U.S. ISP that I've tried it with.

Those of us who bought W-7 and can't find a email/Usenet reader we
like or that works on W-7 are screwed.

There are many that work. If you can't make any of them work, the
problem is clearly you.