WindowsLiveMail doesn't work

[Valorie *~~]

You will have to check the smtp address in your mail account. Ask your
ISP...

My ISP doesn't provide the NGs anymore. I use free NSPs. See other posts.
One of the dlls for 32-bit had to be replaced by the 64-bit version.

 

[Char Jackson]

At one time everyone had their own NSP accounts. No one wanted to bother to
remember to change nyms, some visited the same groups such as gardening.
Now there are only 3 double accounts. The rest are mine alone.

Thanks, I think.

Where are the other personas added in WLM? I've been all through the program
and haven't see it.

No clue, sorry. I have no intention of using WLM so maybe someone else
can help. Are you looking for a different persona per group, or are
you saying you have a few groups where you need multiple personas for
the same group?

 

[Char Jackson]

Back when I was still using dial up I tried OE but it was too much trouble
to me after I found web based e-mail. After getting broadband it just works,
click a message and it's there. Still can't understand how anyone would have
trouble using it, but such is life I guess.

I don't think it's a case of anyone having 'trouble' with web based
email. It's more a case that web based email is extremely clumsy,
slow, and cumbersome compared to a proper email client.

 

[Jaypie]

My ISP doesn't provide the NGs anymore. I use free NSPs. See other posts.
One of the dlls for 32-bit had to be replaced by the 64-bit version.

Well, according to the " source " of your posts, you are using Microsoft
Windows Mail
" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 "

I also notice that you use " x-privat.org ", so contact the support team of
that
organization at http://www.x-privat.org

Also note that the smtp address is dealing with the mail system...( also
posting
of newsgroups )

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Ken Blake]

When I changed this to W-7 and it had no e-mail program I was told that the
reason MS did this was because of all the people bitching about being
"forced" to use OE or WM.

Two points here:

1. Nobody knows why Microsoft did this or anything else. They keep
their reasons secret. Some people may guess that's why they did it,
but I'm not at all sure that's an accurate guess.

2. You put "forced" in quotation marks, so you probably realize what
I'm about to write: there was nothing as strong as forcing involved at
all.

So now they have an OS that has no e-mail client.

An advantage, as far as I'm concerned. Whether it was Microsoft's
reason or not, leaving people more free to choose what they want is
better.

You have to chose one to use, and MS is cramming WLM down your throat????

Not at all. It's many OEMs who are doing the cramming, because they
package Windows Live Mail with their computers.

 

[Ken Blake]

alt.windows7.general:


If you are looking for complainers about anything, you're sure to
find them.

Exactly!


I'm also sure there are far more people who are perfectly
happy with it.

Very likely true.

I'm not one of them, by the way

Nor I. I don't use it, but I don't complain about it either.

I found free,
non-Microsoft alternatives to their email and news programs that I
think are far, far superior.

I use Outlook 2010 for E-mail and Agent 6.0 for newsgroups, which I
think are far superior to Windows Live Mail (neither is free, though,
and one of them is Microsoft's). But anyone's choice should be based
on how he works and what features are important to him. Nobody should
simply use my choice or your choice; he should make his own choice.

Nothing was rammed down your throat. If you don't like WLM, there
are plenty of alternatives for little or no cost.

Again, my point exactly.

OK, so you gave us one mere crumb of information. If you had come here
4 days ago with a complete and detailed description of your problem,
including all error messages, what exactly you had already tried,
etc. I'm sure we could have helped you. Since you were so coy about
the details, I can only assume you wanted to rant more than you
wanted a fix.

And I share that assumption.

 

[Ken Blake]

Please explain how this is done if you can.

See the quote below. I *think* all you have to do is copy it from a
Vista machine. But take that with a grain of salt, since I've never
done it personally (again, I don't like Windows Mail); get
instructions from someone who has done it.

MS is really pushing people to switch to Macs.

Although many

No so!

As I'm sure you know, I strongly disagree with you.

A mail/news client easy to use and intuitive like OE or WM could be
installed and let people decide for themselves if they want something else.
Why deprive millions of us of what we were happy with?

Because the great majority of people will use what they get, and not
even realize they have other choices, let alone look for them. Those
millions of people may have been happy with Outlook Express, but many
of them might have been much happier if they had tried and used one of
the several available problems that were better for them.

And also realize that when you say "deprive ... us of what we were
happy with," it is not really accurate. Despite the difference in
names, Windows Mail was essentially a new version of Outlook Express,
and Windows Live Mail is a still newer version.

Microsoft confused millions of people by making the very bad choice of
naming two programs as dissimilar as Outlook and Outlook Express with
such similar names. So calling the new Outlook Express by the new name
of Windows Mail was good thing to do. But alas, they then confused
things further by calling the newer version Windows Live Mail.

Outlook doesn't include Newsgroups I was told.

You mean Outlook doesn't include a *newsreader*. That's correct.

But as far as I'm concerned, there's no reason why we should choose to
use a program that has multiple functions. It's best to use the
program that's best in each regard. I use Forte Agent 6.0 as my
newsreader, but although it also contains e-mail capability, I don't
use it for that, since I greatly prefer Outlook for e-mail.

 

[Ken Blake]

I can do that with my gmail accounts but never bothered.

You (and most of us) can probably do it with almost any e-mail
account. At the moment I have five e-mail accounts, and I can do it
with all of them.

 

[Ken Blake]

I don't think it's a case of anyone having 'trouble' with web based
email. It's more a case that web based email is extremely clumsy,
slow, and cumbersome compared to a proper email client.

Exactly right! The only people for whom it's not "extremely clumsy,
slow, and cumbersome" are those who get very little e-mail.

 

[Nil]

I thought you were talking about email, not news. Still, I'm
skeptical that it won't work. I'll have to try it myself later.

I have no way of testing whether I can set up multiple news accounts at
the same news service but with different accounts in Thunderbird.
However, I just checked it out and I found you certainly CAN do just
that with email accounts. I would think news accounts would be similar.

 

[Alex Clayton]

Exactly right! The only people for whom it's not "extremely clumsy,
slow, and cumbersome" are those who get very little e-mail.

<shrug>
I gets tons of it because I belong to a bunch of Yahoo groups. I always
thought I knew little about PCs but I guess I am getting better than I
thought since I can breeze through the mail with Yahoo and G-mail. I never
thought it was hard at all.
I must be a lot better at this that I ever thought.
Click on a message, it opens, I read, if I want to respond one click and I
type away and hit send. If I do not want it I click delete, it's gone.
Glance at the spam filter daily to make sure it did not catch something I
wanted, if it did I click not spam and the program remembers it. Seems fast
and simple to me, but I guess I have come a lot farther than I thought since
so many have trouble with it.

 

[Peter Taylor]

<shrug>
I gets tons of it because I belong to a bunch of Yahoo groups. I always
thought I knew little about PCs but I guess I am getting better than I
thought since I can breeze through the mail with Yahoo and G-mail. I
never thought it was hard at all.
I must be a lot better at this that I ever thought.
Click on a message, it opens, I read, if I want to respond one click and
I type away and hit send. If I do not want it I click delete, it's gone.
Glance at the spam filter daily to make sure it did not catch something
I wanted, if it did I click not spam and the program remembers it. Seems
fast and simple to me, but I guess I have come a lot farther than I
thought since so many have trouble with it.

Webmail is much better than it used to be due to improved browsers, and,
natch, faster Internet speeds. Can't have multiple sigs or templates
yet, or least that I know of.

 

[Alex Clayton]

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:05:21 -0700, "Alex Clayton"




Two points here:

1. Nobody knows why Microsoft did this or anything else. They keep
their reasons secret. Some people may guess that's why they did it,
but I'm not at all sure that's an accurate guess.

I did not claim to know why MS loaded W-7 with no mail or news program. I
said "I was told".
Sorry that was not clear to you.
I will elaborate.
When I got this PC it was Vista with a free upgrade to W-7 upon it's
release. I got the disk a couple months after the PC.
Before I changed it to W-7 I decided to do some checking to see what others
had to say about it. The checking I was doing was on Usenet. (That is what
this is). That was when I found out it came with no e-mail or news reader
and that you had to pick one. The people using the free one from MS, called
Windows Live mail, said it was very close to the Windows mail I was using
with Vista. So after I decided to try W-7 I tried WLM. It seemed easy to me
to set up and use, but then I can use web based e-mail so I guess this is
why it was a snap for me.
I had been using it for so long now I had forgotten that I had to download
it.

2. You put "forced" in quotation marks, so you probably realize what
I'm about to write: there was nothing as strong as forcing involved at
all.





An advantage, as far as I'm concerned. Whether it was Microsoft's
reason or not, leaving people more free to choose what they want is
better.




Not at all. It's many OEMs who are doing the cramming, because they
package Windows Live Mail with their computers.

OK, I was responding to the poster who said it was being crammed down our
throats. This would be why I put quotes around forced, since the poster said
it (WLM) was being crammed down our throats. If an OEM loads it already does
this them mean the poor person who buys that PC is forced to use it? You
mean they lock the PC so the owner can not load T-Bird or another program? I
seriously doubt it. I suspect a lot of OEMs loaded it to make it easier on
people who do not seem to be able to use Web based e-mail or load WLM. I am
pretty sure anyone who buys a PC that has WLM already loaded can either
ignore it, and load another program to use, or even delete it and use any
other program they chose.

 

[Alex Clayton]

On 09/17/2010 06:54 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:

Webmail is much better than it used to be due to improved browsers, and,
natch, faster Internet speeds. Can't have multiple sigs or templates yet,
or least that I know of.

I know Yahoo has been improved a lot since I started using it in 2000. Back
then I was still using dial up and that was why I did not like OE. It would
just download everything before I could decide whether I wanted it or not. I
suspect there was some way to make it not, but before I could find out I
tried Yahoo at school and just stayed with it. Then at home I could look at
the inbox and decide if I wanted to take the time to download anything that
was there or just delete it without downloading and wasting time. As soon as
I got broadband it no longer mattered since anything just loads in an
instant.
Not to mention that I can then check the mail from any computer I happen
to be near. At school and work I could just jump on a free one and see my
mail anytime I wanted.
It would be nice to be able to use multiple sigs like with this program,
but I can live without that I guess. <G>

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

I never found anything I liked better than OE or WM. I tried Free Agent,
Pegasus, TB (still on W-7), Xzana (sp?) News over the years out of
curiosity and didn't find any of them better than OE or WM. When I get
online I open WM (one click on the taskbar) and the mail comes down. I
go through all the email accounts in the one email window. Then I click
on whatever NG I want to check out.... easy fast, a click or two.

Well, it appears Windows Live Mail is now Windows Dead Mail, so unless
you choose to waste even more time on it, you might consider trying Pan,
40tude Dialog, Seamonkey, Opera, or one of the many others out there you
have not tried yet, something else is bound to also suit your tastes.
After all, there are too many newsreaders in the sea to waste so much
time and agony on just one.

 

[Ken Blake]

I did not claim to know why MS loaded W-7 with no mail or news program. I
said "I was told".
Sorry that was not clear to you.

It was clear. I was simply pointing out that what you were told wasn't
correct.

 

[Alex Clayton]

It was clear. I was simply pointing out that what you were told wasn't
correct.

LOL, I think I can see why you have so much trouble with web based e-mail
now.
You claim no one knows why, but you "know" what I was told was wrong.

 

[Roy Smith]

At one time everyone had their own NSP accounts. No one wanted to
bother to remember to change nyms, some visited the same groups such as
gardening. Now there are only 3 double accounts. The rest are mine alone.

Where are the other personas added in WLM? I've been all through the
program and haven't see it.

Windows Live Mail is intended for a single user only. If you have more
than one person that uses WLM then each person needs their own Windows
User account. The login that you see when starting WLM is for the
online services portion of the Windows Live Essentials suite.

 

[Valorie *~~]

When I changed this to W-7 and it had no e-mail program I was told that
the reason MS did this was because of all the people bitching about being
"forced" to use OE or WM.

That can't be true. How where they "forced" to use OE or WM when they were
free to download Thunderbird or any other software of their choice if they
liked it better?

So now they have an OS that has no e-mail client.

You have to chose one to use, and MS is cramming WLM down your throat????
I think I can see why you are having so much trouble now.

Well where are the pages on the MS website where we can download OE or WM?
I couldn't find them. All I found is what MS is pushing, WLM.

 

[Valorie *~~]

Two points here:

1. Nobody knows why Microsoft did this or anything else. They keep
their reasons secret. Some people may guess that's why they did it,
but I'm not at all sure that's an accurate guess.

Thank you!

2. You put "forced" in quotation marks, so you probably realize what
I'm about to write: there was nothing as strong as forcing involved at
all.

What's next to go? IE? I wouldn't care since I use Firefox, a much better
browser.

An advantage, as far as I'm concerned. Whether it was Microsoft's
reason or not, leaving people more free to choose what they want is
better.

How can we choose what we like best when MS refuses to supply it = OE or WM?
If MS let us download those clients THAT would be giving us a choice.

Not at all. It's many OEMs who are doing the cramming, because they
package Windows Live Mail with their computers.

Most likely for the benefit of newbie's so they have something to start
with. Just a guess.........