WindowsLiveMail doesn't work

[Nil]

NSP = NewsServiceProvider for Usenet. TB allows only one account
PER NSP. We have several accounts with the same NSPs.

I thought you were talking about email, not news. Still, I'm skeptical
that it won't work. I'll have to try it myself later.

What set up? It's a W-7/SP2 Home Premium 64-bit/ Is that what
you mean?

I mean, speficially, what settings did you enter for the account
(disguising your account name and password, of course.) The program
works just fine for everyone else, so if it doesn't work for you, it's
almost certainly something you've set up wrong. But unless you tell us
what you did, you won't get an educated answer.

 

[Jaypie]

We may end up doing just that. Thanks.

You will have to check the smtp address in your mail account. Ask your
ISP...

 

[Alex Clayton]

A contrary opinion here: unless you get only a tiny amount of e-mail,
web-based e-mail is the slowest, clumsiest, and worst possible way to
do it.

You generally don't need to use anything like GMail or Yahoo, since
web-based mail is available for most e-mail accounts with ISPs. It's
nice to have web-based mail available for your account for times when
you are traveling and have no e-mail access other than through a
public computer, but I strongly recommending avoiding it as the normal
way to do e-mail.

I guess I must be missing something. I look at my inbox. I click on a
message and it just opens.

 

[Alex Clayton]

I agree. (sorry about the name change. He's working on the PCs here) and
I'm getting distracted. We take along our laptop on trips and when we hit
a hotspot, we jump on and get our email.

That is what I love about web based e-mail. I can check mine from any
computer anywhere.

 

[Alex Clayton]

I tried them one time and that was that. Once was enough. I see your're
using OE for Usenet. I loved it as I do WM. WLM really is the pits.
We're trying to move WM to the W-7 PC but it wont open.

OK I thought you meant for e-mail, not Usenet. I have always used whatever
comes with the OS for Usenet. OE, then WM, now WLM, since the set up has
never really changed. Buy a new computer and the set up is pretty easy.
I did try T-Bird one time when several kept telling me it was better. I
could not get it to work and gave up.
I did have to use another feed for a while when W-7 first came out. There
was some problem going on with WLM and the feed. MS was claiming nothing was
wrong, yet a lot of people were getting no feed. I used one that was free
and worked fine, but still was reading it with WLM. The feed from my ISP
just would not work with it.

 

[Char Jackson]

A contrary opinion here: unless you get only a tiny amount of e-mail,
web-based e-mail is the slowest, clumsiest, and worst possible way to
do it.

Amen!

 

[Ken Blake]

OK I thought you meant for e-mail, not Usenet. I have always used whatever
comes with the OS for Usenet. OE, then WM, now WLM, since the set up has
never really changed.

A clarification here. Unlike Outlook Express and WM, Windows Live Mail
does *not* come with any version of Windows.

Buy a new computer and the set up is pretty easy.
I did try T-Bird one time when several kept telling me it was better. I
could not get it to work and gave up.

I've never liked Thunderbird either.

 

[Char Jackson]

I thought you were talking about email, not news. Still, I'm skeptical
that it won't work. I'll have to try it myself later.


I mean, speficially, what settings did you enter for the account
(disguising your account name and password, of course.) The program
works just fine for everyone else, so if it doesn't work for you, it's
almost certainly something you've set up wrong. But unless you tell us
what you did, you won't get an educated answer.

We could make random guesses till the cows come home if he/she won't
tell us.
- trying to send email to the POP server
- trying to send email to the NNTP server
- wrong port, protocol, or server specified
- not following ISP setup instructions for off-network access

 

[Char Jackson]

NSP = NewsServiceProvider for Usenet. TB allows only one account PER NSP.
We have several accounts with the same NSPs.

May I ask, what's the purpose of multiple accounts with the same NSP?
As you probably know, you can have unlimited personas per NSP while
having just a single account, so is this something different?

 

[Char Jackson]

Of course it does. It works just fine for everybody else. If it doesn't
work for you, you've got it set up wrong.


What's "NSP"?

Like ISP, but for Usenet = News Service Provider

 

[Alex Clayton]

A clarification here. Unlike Outlook Express and WM, Windows Live Mail
does *not* come with any version of Windows.





I've never liked Thunderbird either.

You're right I forgot I had to download it after I upgraded this to W-7. I
chose it since I already knew how to use OE and WM so I figured it was going
to be easy to set up and it was. I have never tried it with e-mail though.
Back when I was still using dial up I tried OE but it was too much trouble
to me after I found web based e-mail. After getting broadband it just works,
click a message and it's there. Still can't understand how anyone would have
trouble using it, but such is life I guess.

 

[Valorie *~~]

I thought you were talking about email, not news. Still, I'm skeptical
that it won't work. I'll have to try it myself later.

After hours of reading and Googling we downloaded the correct 64-bit .dll
for WLM. That got it working but I don't care for the set-up. We tried to
install WindowsMail as so many people are doing on W-7, but that wont even
open. Googling I found plenty of people unhappy with WLM and resentful that
MS gives us no choice. It's crammed down our throats or we're on our own
for a mail/news client. >:-(

I mean, speficially, what settings did you enter for the account
(disguising your account name and password, of course.) The program
works just fine for everyone else, so if it doesn't work for you, it's
almost certainly something you've set up wrong. But unless you tell us
what you did, you won't get an educated answer.

See above. It had either the wrong .dll (32-bit) or the one it had was
defective. We installed the correct .dll and it worked. Go figure........
4 days to get that information.

 

[Alex Clayton]

After hours of reading and Googling we downloaded the correct 64-bit .dll
for WLM. That got it working but I don't care for the set-up. We tried to
install WindowsMail as so many people are doing on W-7, but that wont even
open. Googling I found plenty of people unhappy with WLM and resentful
that MS gives us no choice. It's crammed down our throats or we're on our
own for a mail/news client. >:-(

When I changed this to W-7 and it had no e-mail program I was told that the
reason MS did this was because of all the people bitching about being
"forced" to use OE or WM. So now they have an OS that has no e-mail client.
You have to chose one to use, and MS is cramming WLM down your throat????
I think I can see why you are having so much trouble now.

 

[Valorie *~~]

May I ask, what's the purpose of multiple accounts with the same NSP?
As you probably know, you can have unlimited personas per NSP while
having just a single account, so is this something different?

At one time everyone had their own NSP accounts. No one wanted to bother to
remember to change nyms, some visited the same groups such as gardening.
Now there are only 3 double accounts. The rest are mine alone.

Where are the other personas added in WLM? I've been all through the program
and haven't see it.

 

[Nil]

After hours of reading and Googling we downloaded the correct
64-bit .dll for WLM. That got it working but I don't care for the
set-up.

That's even more information you should have volunteered if you were
really looking for help, rather then just complaining. You never
once mentioned that you were using 64-bit Windows.

You should never have had to download a separate DLL. Windows Live
Mail is qualified to run in 64-bit Windows. If something got screwed
up during installation, or if you broke it by messing around with
it, you could have just uninstalled it and reinstalled it.

Googling I found plenty of people unhappy with WLM and resentful
that MS gives us no choice.

If you are looking for complainers about anything, you're sure to
find them. I'm also sure there are far more people who are perfectly
happy with it. I'm not one of them, by the way - I found free,
non-Microsoft alternatives to their email and news programs that I
think are far, far superior.

It's crammed down our throats or we're on our own for a mail/news
client. >:-(

Nothing was rammed down your throat. If you don't like WLM, there
are plenty of alternatives for little or no cost.

See above. It had either the wrong .dll (32-bit) or the one it
had was defective. We installed the correct .dll and it worked.
Go figure........ 4 days to get that information.

OK, so you gave us one mere crumb of information. If you had come here
4 days ago with a complete and detailed description of your problem,
including all error messages, what exactly you had already tried,
etc. I'm sure we could have helped you. Since you were so coy about
the details, I can only assume you wanted to rant more than you
wanted a fix.

If you really want help in the future, you should read the link I
provided earlier.

 

[Valorie *~~]

(Respectfully snipped for brevity)

Which e-mail client or newsreader you use is your choice entirely. But
let me point out that you probably think that Windows Live Mail came
with Windows 7. If that's what you think, you are wrong. Your computer
vendor may have included it in what he sold you, but that was his
choice; it didn't come with Windows.

Yes, I recently found that out and that's probably why we had to replace one
of the .dlls before it would work. It works now with a dll for 64-bit.

Here's my standard message on this subject:

Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
last version of Windows to include it.

Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
newer version of Outlook Express), but that is also gone in Windows 7
(however it can be brought into Windows 7 from a Windows Vista
machine).

Please explain how this is done if you can. We (I had inhome help today)
found many sites online and followed directions and ran into two problems...
gaining control of my own PC (MS user safety crap) and then, when that was
overcome, WM would not open at all on W-7. We added this 64-bit .dll as
advised, and it still wont open. We replaced the files in WLM and it's
still looks and works like WLM.

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program.

MS is really pushing people to switch to Macs.

Although many

people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best.

No so! A mail/news client easy to use and intuitive like OE or WM could be
installed and let people decide for themselves if they want something else.
Why deprive millions of us of what we were happy with?

There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

Outlook doesn't include Newsgroups I was told.

Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests).

I've tried several and like either OE or WM the best.

Again, I don't know what you mean by TSP.

NSPs are news service providers. My ISP doesn't provide Usenet access
anymore.

Sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask. I've never done it myself. But I'm
sure someone else here can tell you.

I sure hope so because the info online was easy to follow but.........

 

[Valorie *~~]

I do the same. But sometimes I'll use a public computer if I have no
other choice.

I know some people who travel and also do that. We don't get anything that
important to bother. Hot-spots are becoming more common all the time, even
in smaller towns. We may get our mail when on the road 2 or 3 times a
week.

 

[Valorie *~~]

That is what I love about web based e-mail. I can check mine from any
computer anywhere.

I can do that with my gmail accounts but never bothered.

 

[Valorie *~~]

Just a quick comment: you do *not* need a single program that does
both, and there's nothing wrong with using the program you like best
for e-mail and a different program you like better for newsgroups,
even if one of those programs can do both.

Personally I use Outlook 2010 for e-mail and Forte Agent 6.0 for
newsgroups. Even though Agent can do e-mail I don't use that
capability of it.

I never found anything I liked better than OE or WM. I tried Free Agent,
Pegasus, TB (still on W-7), Xzana (sp?) News over the years out of curiosity
and didn't find any of them better than OE or WM. When I get online I open
WM (one click on the taskbar) and the mail comes down. I go through all the
email accounts in the one email window. Then I click on whatever NG I want
to check out.... easy fast, a click or two.

 

[Valorie *~~]

OK I thought you meant for e-mail, not Usenet. I have always used whatever
comes with the OS for Usenet. OE, then WM, now WLM, since the set up has
never really changed. Buy a new computer and the set up is pretty easy.
I did try T-Bird one time when several kept telling me it was better. I
could not get it to work and gave up.

I got it to work but it only allows one account per NewsServiceProvider.
That's absurd. Many PCs are shared and people want their own accounts.

I did have to use another feed for a while when W-7 first came out.
There was some problem going on with WLM and the feed. MS was claiming
nothing was wrong, yet a lot of people were getting no feed. I used one
that was free and worked fine, but still was reading it with WLM. The feed
from my ISP just would not work with it.

Software can really make people CrAZy...........