Windows Mail

[R. C. White]

Hi, Stewart.

It's not a matter of "what it's called". Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail
are entirely separate programs.

Windows Mail is an integral part of Windows Vista - and isn't supported on
any other Windows version.

Windows Live Mail is NOT an integral part of ANY Windows version. But it
can be downloaded (http://download.live.com ) and installed into any Windows
version. (Well, any recent version; I don't know about Windows for
Workgroups. ;^} )

Since Windows 7 does not include any mail or news client at all, we Win7
users are free to choose any such programs that we like, either from
Microsoft or from third parties. The "path of least resistance" is to use
WLM, it seems. That is what I use, largely because it seems much like a
near-natural progression: MSIMN > OE through OE6 > WM > WLM > ??

While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.) like
nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the next step in
the evolution.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Stewart]

Hi, Stewart.

It's not a matter of "what it's called". Windows Mail and Windows
Live Mail are entirely separate programs.

Yes, I understand that. I just forgot to add the "live" part in my
posts.

Windows Mail is an integral part of Windows Vista - and isn't
supported on any other Windows version.

Windows Live Mail is NOT an integral part of ANY Windows version.
But it can be downloaded (http://download.live.com ) and installed
into any Windows version. (Well, any recent version; I don't know
about Windows for Workgroups. ;^} )

Since Windows 7 does not include any mail or news client at all, we
Win7 users are free to choose any such programs that we like, either
from Microsoft or from third parties. The "path of least
resistance" is to use WLM, it seems. That is what I use, largely
because it seems much like a near-natural progression: MSIMN > OE
through OE6 > WM > WLM > ??

I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very
familiar with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of
supplying a version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change of
the HI in office 2007 without allowing the user to revert back to the
original HI. It automatically made most users less efficient.

While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.)
like nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the
next step in the evolution.

Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others, and
many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer much
more than any other. But I will keep trying.

 

[Ophelia]

I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very familiar
with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of supplying a
version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change of the HI in office
2007 without allowing the user to revert back to the original HI. It
automatically made most users less efficient.

Hear! hear!

Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others, and
many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer much more
than any other. But I will keep trying.

I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being
dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!

 

[Gordon]

I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being
dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!

So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS decided to
include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I wouldn't want to
know when you ARE being dictated to!
The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is PERSONAL
CHOICE!!!!!!!
There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that YOU can
choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what MS provides that
you are incapable of making any choices any more?

 

[Stewart]

Hear! hear!



I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being
dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
We ARE the customers here!!!

Well, sometimes it feels more like an abused user....

 

[Stewart]

So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS decided
to include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I wouldn't
want to know when you ARE being dictated to!
The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is
PERSONAL CHOICE!!!!!!!
There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that
YOU can choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what
MS provides that you are incapable of making any choices any more?

There was nothing wrong with OE. They could have just left it alone,
and we would have had better choices.

 

[Gordon]

There was nothing wrong with OE. They could have just left it alone, and
we would have had better choices.

It was free. What do you expect?

 

[Ophelia]

So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS decided to
include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I wouldn't want to
know when you ARE being dictated to!

Um that WAS rather my point. I DO object to using what they decide to give
me. I am very new with this os and I am still feeling my way along and
using what I have until i find something better...

The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is PERSONAL
CHOICE!!!!!!!
There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that YOU can
choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what MS provides
that you are incapable of making any choices any more?

Yes, dear.

 

[Ophelia]

There was nothing wrong with OE. They could have just left it alone, and
we would have had better choices.

.... and it was OUR choice.

 

[Gordon]

... and it was OUR choice.

So I bet you didn't TRY anything else - you just blindly went with whatever
MS decided to give you - just like most people blindly use IE and don't try
any other browser...

 

[Gordon]

Yes, dear.

Oh very patronising. The last resort of a TROLL.....

 

[Death]

Oh very patronising. The last resort of a TROLL.....

Everyone is a troll to you.
Who proclaimed you the anti-troll?

 

[Death]

So I bet you didn't TRY anything else - you just blindly went with whatever
MS decided to give you - just like most people blindly use IE and don't try
any other browser...

Death always does what MS says ... always.
Leave the thinking to others, that's Death's motto.

 

[Ophelia]

So I bet you didn't TRY anything else - you just blindly went with
whatever MS decided to give you - just like most people blindly use IE and
don't try any other browser...

Is it really necessary to be so unpleasant, Gordon?

 

[Ophelia]

Oh very patronising. The last resort of a TROLL.....

Ok, bully all you want, I won't be seeing you. Into my bozo bin you go!

 

[Grenou]

-snippy-

Yes, dear.

Hehe ...

 

[SC Tom]

So I bet you didn't TRY anything else - you just blindly went with
whatever MS decided to give you - just like most people blindly use IE and
don't try any other browser...

I don't see it as "blindly using" or being "dictated to" when an OS contains
certain accessories. The people (like you and I and many others) who WANT to
try other things, or feel the urge to experiment, or are always looking for
a better and easier way to do something will always continue on the way we
are- try it, don't like it, discard it; try it, like it, keep it; try it,
like it, maybe discard first "like it". I can't count how many mail clients,
news clients, mail and news clients, and browsers I've tried over the
decades. But I generally (but not always) end up using a MS product mostly
because I like the feel of it and it plays nicely with my OS.
Windows started bundling email clients and browsers with their OS's because
of ease of use and the attractiveness of having all that together in one
package (kind of like the Office suites). The average Joe ate it up and
bought it up, so they continued. Toward the later days of XP and into Vista,
there were so many other tried and true choices, I think they just decided
not waste the valuable resources of programming and implementation by
including it in Windows 7. I'm kinda surprised they didn't include the most
basic of browser with it and leave the choice of a full blown one to the
users.
I've always felt that their time and resources would have been better spent
on the OS itself without the fluff, but hey, I don't work for them, I just
buy from them. I think their premise is the same as most everyone else now-
"If you don't like what we offer, get something else and see where you are."
And people are trying those other things. Are the "other things" going to
dethrone MS? Maybe someday, but probably not any time real soon. Are some
people going to continue to try other things? You betcha, until this country
and the rest of the world succumbs to sloth and loses its drive to
experiment.
So whether or not an OS comes with an email client, or a browser, or even a
calculator, that doesn't mean something else can't be tried. And if the
owner/user of that OS decides not to use a different email client, or
browser, or even a calculator, that doesn't necessarily mean they are
blindly following the MS road. That just means they didn't like the
alternatives, or they didn't feel it necessary to try an alternative.
Just my HAWO

 

[Ophelia]

So whether or not an OS comes with an email client, or a browser, or even
a calculator, that doesn't mean something else can't be tried. And if the
owner/user of that OS decides not to use a different email client, or
browser, or even a calculator, that doesn't necessarily mean they are
blindly following the MS road. That just means they didn't like the
alternatives, or they didn't feel it necessary to try an alternative.
Just my HAWO

I hope you didn't take too much notice of me grumbling. I was just
disgruntled to be
losing XP. I had given Vista a miss and didn't want to change yasee

 

[SC Tom]

I hope you didn't take too much notice of me grumbling. I was just
disgruntled to be
losing XP. I had given Vista a miss and didn't want to change yasee

Not at all.
You don't have to lose XP. It'll be around for as long as you don't have a
program that requires a newer OS. Some people in these groups are still
running Win98SE. I'm sure XP will be around at least as long as that

 

[Ophelia]

Not at all.
You don't have to lose XP. It'll be around for as long as you don't have a
program that requires a newer OS. Some people in these groups are still
running Win98SE. I'm sure XP will be around at least as long as that

I know, but I don't have it now and I am grumbling! *harrumph*