Windows live mail with windows 7

[Rodney Pont]

On the contrary it's not just a few, it's the majority of people here
that have to suffer with WLM 2011's quoting and signature problems.
It's only a handful of people who are complaining about it.

I don't complain, I just skip over the post. If someone can't be
bothered to make what they post clear I can't be bothered to read it.

 

[Leala]

All of them that I have ever come across. Only OE is as broken as Windows
Live Mail. Reading your messages is a complete pain in the backside (I use
40tude Dialog) to the extent that I am thinking of filtering out all
messages written by WLM and OE. If many people do that there will be no
point you writing any messages at all - so please change to another client
- any one will do except OE, of course.

OE works fine if used with OE-Quotefix.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

But OE-Quotefix will not work with Windows Live Mail.

 

[Bob Henson]

OE works fine if used with OE-Quotefix.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

But OE-Quotefix will not work with Windows Live Mail.

When I first got Windows I used it for a while until I found a better
program - with OE-Quotefix, of course, without which it was a total pain.
It certainly helps to make messages written with OE readable by other
people. Sadly, it doesn't solve the security and other problems at the
writer's end - but that's up to the writer.

Personally, I can't see why anyone would want to use such an old, broken,
security risk of a program when there are several other free ones without
the problems.

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Bob Henson" wrote in message


There is only one response - all of us add them to our kill files. These
two are added to mine already.

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Then what will you have to whine and cry about? However will you fill all
that free time?

-- GUN CONTROL: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and
strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman
explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

 

[Jake]

This is an outstanding example of just how FUBAR WLM 15 is. How is
anyone to tell who said what?

I didn't quote your sig line because my reader correctly ignores it, but
there was quoted text from someone in it.

Hopeless.

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The public schools really have done a number on this country. People can get
a diploma, yet have no reading comprehension or an attention span over 15
seconds. No wonder they have to import people for any job that requires
these skills. Very sad.

-- Inside every older person is a younger person wondering, 'What the hell
happened?'

Notice that what I wrote and what you wrote are at the same quote level.
You have put a line between my text and yours, which helps if the
message is a single response. But if you were to respond interactively
in-line it would be next to impossible to decypher. And when the next
person brandishes WLM 15 there would be 3 levels of quote all shown at
the same level.

 

[Nil]

I don't complain, I just skip over the post. If someone can't be
bothered to make what they post clear I can't be bothered to read
it.

That's the whole issue. The point of participating in a newsgroup is to
communicate with others. If someone is going to willfully go out of
their way, by using a broken newsreader, to make it difficult to be
understood, then I don't hesitate to ignore them. It's up to them to
make the effort to communicate clearly, not to me to try to decipher
their garbled mess. I have better things to do with my time.

 

[Ken Blake]

I don't complain, I just skip over the post. If someone can't be
bothered to make what they post clear I can't be bothered to read it.

You took the words out of my mouth (off my fingers?) I agree
completely and do the same thing you do.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I'm willing to go to *some* trouble to read their posts, but in
exchange I get to give them crap about it. I figure that's a fair
trade. ;-)

Well, I do like to kvetch, so your approach has its appeal

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

To sum it up I really could care less about the whining. I have seen it
since the late 90's. A few who have no life seem to fill the void with a
combination of telling the world how smart they are and whining about anyone
who laughs at them.
<shrug>

I love the way you have quoted Char Jackson's words under the rubric
"'Gene E. Bloch' ... wrote in message..."

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

It's the only possible explanation that makes sense. It is plainly obvious
that someone's messages are not going to be read by many people if they are
nearly unreadable. Therefore the only reason for someone continuing to post
under those circumstances would be if they didn't want their messages to be
read. This is so ridiculous that one is left with the only possible
conclusion that they are doing it out of malice and expressly to annoy
others.

You are not giving adequate credit to the possibility of passive
aggressiveness

 

[GreyCloud]

"GreyCloud" wrote in message

"chrisv" wrote in message

"Alex Clayton" wrote in message

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:12:28 -0800, "Alex Clayton"

"Fred" wrote in message

My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has
file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011
and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no
longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM
was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching
moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was
doing the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet
anyway. So now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem
is??? It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]


Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

--

Char Jackson

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was
going on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the
way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I
have long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote
and 2
in others. Can't remember why since again it was something I never
much
cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to
insert a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the
reply from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and
change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:
Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.
That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me
it was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top
posting or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have
way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain
about to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]
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+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but
Microsoft) like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides
a nice continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email
client. My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95%
being with general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had
used it for 10+ years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be
an improvement over OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences
from OE but once over that hump, its smooth sailing.

Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

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Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you
should try WLM 2011.

Oh, your newsreader is definitely broken. I'm reading this on a Sun
box, and you posted right under the other guys sig line. To other
newsreaders it shows up as very grey and dim text. It was difficult to
find your response. Others would have figured you had nothing to say.

Your newsreader is broken... you see, when you reply, your newsreader
doesn't strip off the sig line and your reply is after the sig line.
Then others with other newsreaders do not see your reply at all... it is
way down below and greyed out. Right now, you won't find your response
because my newsreader strips off the old sig line along with your
response under the sig line.

 

[GreyCloud]

No it is not his newsreader that is broken bobster, it is yours. WLM
*DOES NOT* remove the signature from any text it's quoting and then
starts your text at the bottom. In effect to a proper newsreader your
reply appears as part of the signature of the text you've quoted.
Here's a screenshot of how your reply looked on my screen:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20110221-orhh-159kb

Now looking at the message source, you can clearly see the sig delimiter
(pointed to with the green arrow) that was included from the message you
quoted:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20110221-3tgk-118kb

A proper newsreader will see the line with "-- " as the beginning of a
signature block and display it in a different colored font, and when you
reply to that message it will discard all of that text. That is why
your comments are missing from my response here.

You will also notice that because WLM does not add a quote marker at the
beginning of each line of quoted material it defeats a convenience of my
newsreader. My newsreader allows me to collapse any quoted material in
a message to just the first line of text with the option to expand it if
needed.

You should download as an experiment Thunderbird. Then view your own
posts and see why.

 

[GreyCloud]

"Roy Smith" wrote in message



That's because WLM is broken and is not displaying the signature text
properly on your end. It also doesn't remove the signature when you
quote a message when replying. If you insist on continuing to use WLM
2011, then please at least remove the signature block at the end of the
text you quote. The reason is that most newsreaders automatically
remove it when you hit reply, and since your comments are below the
signature of the quoted material it gets stripped off as well. In order
for me to have your comments included in this reply, I had to use
selective quoting where I highlight text before hitting the reply
button. I then had to reformat the text so that it would be in the
proper format.... much more work (for me) than what should have been
necessary.


I agree that it does help some....


On the contrary it's not just a few, it's the majority of people here
that have to suffer with WLM 2011's quoting and signature problems.
It's only a handful of people who are complaining about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block

 

[GreyCloud]

I think it's time for you and Char Jackson to realize that bobster just
is *not* going to get it

I seem to recall a troll that used "a noiseless patient spider"
somewhere in the past. Forgot who it was.

 

[Char Jackson]

I seem to recall a troll that used "a noiseless patient spider"
somewhere in the past. Forgot who it was.

I think everyone who posts through Eternal-September gets that
Organization header by default.

 

[KCB]

It's the only possible explanation that makes sense. It is plainly obvious
that someone's messages are not going to be read by many people if they
are
nearly unreadable. Therefore the only reason for someone continuing to
post
under those circumstances would be if they didn't want their messages to
be
read. This is so ridiculous that one is left with the only possible
conclusion that they are doing it out of malice and expressly to annoy
others.

There is only one response - all of us add them to our kill files. These
two are added to mine already.


P.S. For those into conspiracy theory, it could be that Microsoft has
deliberately screwed up WLM to try to further disrupt newsgroups and force
people to use Windows Forums and The Cloud. If you believe that you'll
believe anything

It's completely obvious that MS doesn't care about Usenet anymore. What you
just said makes complete sense.

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

To sum it up I really could care less about the whining. I have seen it
since the late 90's. A few who have no life seem to fill the void with a
combination of telling the world how smart they are and whining about
anyone
who laughs at them.
<shrug>

I love the way you have quoted Char Jackson's words under the rubric
"'Gene E. Bloch' ... wrote in message..."

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
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Glad to be of service.

-- There are two kinds of people in the electorate:
People who remember how horrible the Jimmy Carter years were; and those who
are
about to find out.

 

[Alex Clayton]

"KCB" wrote in message


It's completely obvious that MS doesn't care about Usenet anymore. What you
just said makes complete sense.
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Why would MS "care" about Usenet? A shockingly large percentage of the
"computer" types I talk to seem to have never even heard of it. I would have
to guess there is no large market in it to interest them.


-- Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to
know 'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads
weren't paved.
Will Rogers

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Nil" wrote in message
It's up to them to
make the effort to communicate clearly, not to me to try to decipher
their garbled mess. I have better things to do with my time.
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Like bitching huh?
Well if that's what does it for you, why not.


-- To err is human………..
But to blame someone else shows management potential.

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Jake" wrote in message

This is an outstanding example of just how FUBAR WLM 15 is. How is
anyone to tell who said what?

I didn't quote your sig line because my reader correctly ignores it, but
there was quoted text from someone in it.

Hopeless.

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The public schools really have done a number on this country. People can
get
a diploma, yet have no reading comprehension or an attention span over 15
seconds. No wonder they have to import people for any job that requires
these skills. Very sad.

-- Inside every older person is a younger person wondering, 'What the hell
happened?'

Notice that what I wrote and what you wrote are at the same quote level.
You have put a line between my text and yours, which helps if the
message is a single response. But if you were to respond interactively
in-line it would be next to impossible to decypher. And when the next
person brandishes WLM 15 there would be 3 levels of quote all shown at
the same level.
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and after all that a sadly large percentage of the populace would still not
be able to read or comprehend it.
Then people wonder why so many companies need to import workers.
<shrug>

-- 25% graduate functional illiterates. We should remove the warning labels
from everything and let nature take care of the problem.

Peter Weissbach