Windows live mail with windows 7

[Alex Clayton]

"chrisv" wrote in message


Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Really? I never think of myself as the sharpest knife in the drawer in
general, and am still a rank amateur at most anything to di with a computer
but I had no problem following what was said here. I guess if English was a
second language maybe??
<shrug>

-- 25% graduate functional illiterates. We should remove the warning labels
from everything and let nature take care of the problem.

Peter Weissbach

 

[Alex Clayton]

"bobster" wrote in message ==============================================================================================

+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but Microsoft)
like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides a nice
continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email client.
My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95% being with
general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had used it for 10+
years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be an improvement over
OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences from OE but once over that
hump, its smooth sailing.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hell it's nothing now like it was when I first found it in the late 90's.
PC's were still fairly expensive and hard to use compared to what we have
now. The Usenet community was a pretty "select" group and then along came
things like AOL with the unlimited time for a set amount and WebTV. The
weeping and wailing was at times very humorous to watch.
I would love it if MS would stop changing stuff around but I so far do not
see anything wrong with this. When I first heard all the "noise" I thought
they had done something to it to make it no longer work at all.

-- The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
Will Rogers

 

[Char Jackson]

"Fred" wrote in message
My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011 and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was doing
the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet anyway. So
now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem is??? It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was going on.

I'm sorry to hear that, but if you were interested, I suppose you
could always search the group for those threads.

As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.

That's because some Microsoft products are absolutely horrible, like
IE, OE, ME, to name a few. Most of their products are very usable,
however.

Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I have long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote and 2
cared about.

If you're going to participate in Usenet discussions, you should make
it a point to care. Do you go crap on your neighbor's lawn every
morning? Probably not, and it's probably because you care. You should
care here, too. The rest of us deserve it.

The ">" is used by convention to show quoting by the previous poster.
Each reply adds another ">", so it's easy to see who said what. Strip
those away, however, and it's a big hot mess.

I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to insert a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the reply from
the original.

I suppose it's better than nothing, but only in the same way that a
sharp stick in the eye is better than two sharp sticks in the eye. It
doesn't really address the problem.

I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and change
this one to the 2011 version too.

That's unfortunate for the rest of us, but I suppose I can just filter
your posts so I don't have to see them.

As for the:
That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me it was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top posting or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain about to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>

What part of it don't you get? Using a signature is optional, but if
you're going to use one, you should mark it properly, that's all.
There's nothing complicated about it. You just have to care a tiny
bit, is all. I see that you fixed it on the post that I'm replying to,
but you have several later posts in this thread where it's broken
again, so apparently you're being honest when you say you don't care.

Bottom line, this is a text medium. It's in your best interests to
make your posts readable by others. Why would you want to make your
posts harder to read?

When you leave your driveway in the morning, which side of the road do
you drive on? Whichever suits you? Don't you find that you get along
better with other drivers when you follow the most basic rules and
drive on your own side of the road? Usenet is no different.

 

[Char Jackson]

"chrisv" wrote in message
Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

====================================================================================

Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you should
try WLM 2011.

Believe what we're telling you, it doesn't look fine on your computer.
It looks just as screwed up there as it does here. It's just that you
either don't know what it should look like or you don't care.

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Char Jackson" wrote in message

Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I have
long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote and 2
cared about.

If you're going to participate in Usenet discussions, you should make
it a point to care. Do you go crap on your neighbor's lawn every
morning? Probably not, and it's probably because you care. You should
care here, too. The rest of us deserve it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ROTFLMAO!!
Ok, since you can not manage to make heads or tales of my posts because I
don't feel like jumping through hoops to do it the way you want, by all
means add me to your filter. Meanwhile I am off to crap on my neighbors
lawn.

-- Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is
beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the
wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.
--Dave Barry

 

[chrisv]

"chrisv" wrote in message


Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Really? I never think of myself as the sharpest knife in the drawer in
general, and am still a rank amateur at most anything to di with a
computer but I had no problem following what was said here. I guess if
English was a second language maybe??
<shrug>

-- 25% graduate functional illiterates. We should remove the warning
labels
from everything and let nature take care of the problem.

Peter Weissbach

You don't even know what a proper sig is, do you?

 

[Dick Mahar]

"Fred" wrote in message
My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011 and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was doing
the WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet anyway.
So now that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem
is??? It seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

Don't waste your time trying to fix something that ain't broke. I have
WLM on WIN7 64 and it ain't Outlook Express, but it ain't bad!

 

[Alex Clayton]

You don't even know what a proper sig is, do you?

 

[Alex Clayton]

Just remove WLM2011 (version 15) and install WLM2009 (version 14).

Also, don't use a sig file. What makes a correct one has escaped you.

You have to be a recent public school grad.
Amazing.

 

[GreyCloud]

"chrisv" wrote in message

"Alex Clayton" wrote in message

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:12:28 -0800, "Alex Clayton"

"Fred" wrote in message

My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has
file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011
and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no
longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM
was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching
moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was
doing the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet
anyway. So now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem
is??? It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]


Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was
going on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I
have long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote
and 2

in others. Can't remember why since again it was something I never much

cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to
insert a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the reply
from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and
change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me
it was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top
posting or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain
about to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]
==============================================================================================


+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but
Microsoft) like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides a
nice continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email
client. My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95%
being with general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had
used it for 10+ years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be
an improvement over OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences
from OE but once over that hump, its smooth sailing.

Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

====================================================================================


Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you
should try WLM 2011.

Oh, your newsreader is definitely broken. I'm reading this on a Sun
box, and you posted right under the other guys sig line. To other
newsreaders it shows up as very grey and dim text. It was difficult to
find your response. Others would have figured you had nothing to say.

 

[bobster]

"GreyCloud" wrote in message

"chrisv" wrote in message

"Alex Clayton" wrote in message

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:12:28 -0800, "Alex Clayton"

"Fred" wrote in message

My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has
file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011 and
I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no
longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM was
a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching
moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was
doing the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet anyway.
So now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem is???
It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]


Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was going
on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I have
long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote and
2

in others. Can't remember why since again it was something I never much

cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to insert
a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the reply
from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and
change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me it
was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top posting
or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain about
to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]
==============================================================================================

+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but
Microsoft) like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides a
nice continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email
client. My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95% being
with general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had used it
for 10+ years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be an
improvement over OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences from
OE but once over that hump, its smooth sailing.

Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

====================================================================================

Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you
should try WLM 2011.

Oh, your newsreader is definitely broken. I'm reading this on a Sun
box, and you posted right under the other guys sig line. To other
newsreaders it shows up as very grey and dim text. It was difficult to
find your response. Others would have figured you had nothing to say.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

===================================================================================================

Grey Cloud, I don't know what is wrong with your news reader but mine works
fine -- news.eternal-september.org read via WLM2011. I read your message
and all others on this thread clearly with no overlaps or greying/dimming.
Hope you find your problem.

 

[Char Jackson]

"GreyCloud" wrote in message

"chrisv" wrote in message

"Alex Clayton" wrote in message

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:12:28 -0800, "Alex Clayton"

"Fred" wrote in message

My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has
file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011 and
I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no
longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM was
a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching
moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was
doing the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet anyway.
So now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem is???
It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]


Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

--

Char Jackson

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was going
on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I have
long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote and
2
in others. Can't remember why since again it was something I never much
cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to insert
a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the reply
from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and
change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:
Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.
That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me it
was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top posting
or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain about
to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]
==============================================================================================

+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but
Microsoft) like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides a
nice continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email
client. My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95% being
with general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had used it
for 10+ years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be an
improvement over OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences from
OE but once over that hump, its smooth sailing.

Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

====================================================================================

Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you
should try WLM 2011.

Oh, your newsreader is definitely broken. I'm reading this on a Sun
box, and you posted right under the other guys sig line. To other
newsreaders it shows up as very grey and dim text. It was difficult to
find your response. Others would have figured you had nothing to say.

Well hope no more, we found the problem. It's your broken newsreader,
WLM 2011. Any other newsreader, even WLM 2009, would be better.

 

[Roy Smith]

in message

in message

in message

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:12:28 -0800, "Alex Clayton"

in message

My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011
and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no
longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM
was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching
moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was
doing the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet
anyway. So now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem
is??? It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]


Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

--

Char Jackson

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was
going on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I
have long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote
and 2
in others. Can't remember why since again it was something I never
much
cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to
insert a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the
reply from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and
change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:
Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.
That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me
it was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top
posting or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have
way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain
about to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]
==============================================================================================


+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but
Microsoft) like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides a
nice continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email
client. My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95%
being with general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had
used it for 10+ years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be
an improvement over OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences
from OE but once over that hump, its smooth sailing.

Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

====================================================================================


Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you
should try WLM 2011.

Oh, your newsreader is definitely broken. I'm reading this on a Sun
box, and you posted right under the other guys sig line. To other
newsreaders it shows up as very grey and dim text. It was difficult to
find your response. Others would have figured you had nothing to say.

No it is not his newsreader that is broken bobster, it is yours. WLM
*DOES NOT* remove the signature from any text it's quoting and then
starts your text at the bottom. In effect to a proper newsreader your
reply appears as part of the signature of the text you've quoted.
Here's a screenshot of how your reply looked on my screen:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20110221-orhh-159kb

Now looking at the message source, you can clearly see the sig delimiter
(pointed to with the green arrow) that was included from the message you
quoted:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20110221-3tgk-118kb

A proper newsreader will see the line with "-- " as the beginning of a
signature block and display it in a different colored font, and when you
reply to that message it will discard all of that text. That is why
your comments are missing from my response here.

You will also notice that because WLM does not add a quote marker at the
beginning of each line of quoted material it defeats a convenience of my
newsreader. My newsreader allows me to collapse any quoted material in
a message to just the first line of text with the option to expand it if
needed.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Monday, February 21, 2011 2:13:32 AM

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Dick Mahar" wrote in message

Don't waste your time trying to fix something that ain't broke. I have
WLM on WIN7 64 and it ain't Outlook Express, but it ain't bad!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess this is one of those "to each his own" kind of things. I leaned
about Usenet with a WebTV unit. It at first did leave a lot to be desired.
When I finally bought my first computer, then learned to use OE this was of
course a great improvement in my eyes. Even back then there was plenty of
whining about not only OE, but those of us who did not post the "right way".
Right way of course being subjective. I soon just laughed it off. I don't
seem to have any trouble at all following what is being said. Usenet has
long been not fun, but a great way to get info. I personally could care less
if someone wants to top or bottom post, or what kind of news reader they are
using. I notice a lot of people will bottom post but leave 3 or more pages
of previous posting on top of theirs rather than snip. I normally will just
hit scroll a couple times and if it is still old stuff I just move on. If I
am interested enough in the 3 or 10 pages of writing that they are
responding to I know where to find it. The difference is I don't feel the
need to whine about it. <shrug>
I have often wished MS would leave stuff alone. I would be happy as a clam
with OE and XP, but to me it's not that big a deal when they change. As I
play a little more with WLM 2011 I kind of like the slight change in layout.
One thing I have noticed a lot over the years is a pattern of the people who
bitch the most about "format". Many are just trolling, but a lot of them
seem to have a real problem with self image. They often remind me of that
old commercial about E. F. Hutton. They feel they are so important and so
far above the rest that they are offended when someone does not see things
their way. I guess in their mind they are E. F., someone everyone should
stop and listen too. <G>

-- If we are what we eat, I’m cheap, fast, and easy.

 

[Jake]

"Alex Clayton" wrote in message

"Fred" wrote in message
My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011 and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was doing
the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet anyway. So
now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem is??? It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was going on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I have long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote and 2cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to insert a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the reply from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me it was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top posting or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain about to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>

This is an outstanding example of just how FUBAR WLM 15 is. How is
anyone to tell who said what?

I didn't quote your sig line because my reader correctly ignores it, but
there was quoted text from someone in it.

Hopeless.

 

[Alex Clayton]

"Jake" wrote in message

fill the boredom or something. <shrug>

This is an outstanding example of just how FUBAR WLM 15 is. How is
anyone to tell who said what?

I didn't quote your sig line because my reader correctly ignores it, but
there was quoted text from someone in it.

Hopeless.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The public schools really have done a number on this country. People can get
a diploma, yet have no reading comprehension or an attention span over 15
seconds. No wonder they have to import people for any job that requires
these skills. Very sad.

-- Inside every older person is a younger person wondering, 'What the hell
happened?'

 

[bobster]

"Roy Smith" wrote in message

in message

in message

in message

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:12:28 -0800, "Alex Clayton"

in message

My XP computer has Windows live mail version 2009. Top line has file
edit view go tools actions help.
My other computer - windows 7 - has Windows live mail version 2011
and I
can't find anyway of displaying these menu items on it. Do they no
longer
exist with the program?

A while back I noticed a few people talking about how the "new" WLM
was a
mess. I accidentally loaded it on a laptop we only use for watching
moving
onto our TV. I was letting it do the updates and when I saw it was
doing the
WLM 2011 I figured it was ok since I do not use it for Usenet
anyway. So now
that it is there, and I am trying it I don't see what the problem
is??? It
seems so far to be very strait forward to me.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]


Seriously? Its problems have been mentioned so many times that people
must be bored to read about them. You can start with the fact that
your text and the text from "Fred" are indistinguishable from each
other.

Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.

--

Char Jackson

I had not paid a lot of attention to the conversation when it was
going on.
As long as I have been on Usenet there seems to be a never ending battle
about what is wrong with everything MS makes. Been hearing it since I
learned to use OE.
Now that I see the post on another machine I did right away spot the way
WLM 2011 did not use the > next to every line. That is something I
have long
heard people complaining about though with all the versions of MS Usenet
readers. Something about some readers use one > for part of the quote
and 2
in others. Can't remember why since again it was something I never
much
cared about.
I went back and checked the WLM 2011 again and it has a button to
insert a
------------- line so I guess you could use that to separate the
reply from
the original. I do like the ribbon they use now I guess because I have
gotten so used to using Word 07 at School. Will probably go ahead and
change
this one to the 2011 version too.
As for the:
Also, (I didn't snip it so you could see it), the sig delimiter is
broken. The "dash dash space" needs to be on a line by themselves in
order to be recognized as a proper sig delimiter.
That to is another one of those things that I have never "got". To me
it was
always like the never ending war that seems to rage on about top
posting or
bottom posting. It has always just looked to me like some people have
way
too much time on their hands and need to find something to complain
about to
fill the boredom or something. <shrug>
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]
==============================================================================================


+1 Alex!

The Usenet seems to be heavily populated with ABMers (anybody but
Microsoft) like Alias et al.

I also like the"ribbon" configuration that MS is using. It provides a
nice continuity between Office 2010 and WLM 2011.

As for the lack of the >> set aside function, I find it only a mild
irritant, certainly not worth condemning the entire WLM 2011 email
client. My personal use of Usenet is probably 5 % -- the other 95%
being with general email functions. I loved Outlook Express and had
used it for 10+ years as my main email client. I find WLM 2011 to be
an improvement over OE. Takes a while to get used to its differences
from OE but once over that hump, its smooth sailing.

Please stop posting. Your posts can't be followed when you use a broken
version of WLM.

====================================================================================


Chrisv

Looks fine on my computer. Sorry if you have a problem. Perhaps you
should try WLM 2011.

Oh, your newsreader is definitely broken. I'm reading this on a Sun
box, and you posted right under the other guys sig line. To other
newsreaders it shows up as very grey and dim text. It was difficult to
find your response. Others would have figured you had nothing to say.

No it is not his newsreader that is broken bobster, it is yours. WLM
*DOES NOT* remove the signature from any text it's quoting and then
starts your text at the bottom. In effect to a proper newsreader your
reply appears as part of the signature of the text you've quoted.
Here's a screenshot of how your reply looked on my screen:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20110221-orhh-159kb

Now looking at the message source, you can clearly see the sig delimiter
(pointed to with the green arrow) that was included from the message you
quoted:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20110221-3tgk-118kb

A proper newsreader will see the line with "-- " as the beginning of a
signature block and display it in a different colored font, and when you
reply to that message it will discard all of that text. That is why
your comments are missing from my response here.

You will also notice that because WLM does not add a quote marker at the
beginning of each line of quoted material it defeats a convenience of my
newsreader. My newsreader allows me to collapse any quoted material in
a message to just the first line of text with the option to expand it if
needed.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Monday, February 21, 2011 2:13:32 AM


==================================================================================================================

Roy,

I find it strange that I experience none of the dimming or overlapping that
you and one or two others have experienced when reading my posts. All of my
own posts, and those of others on this board appear clearly here at this
end.

I recognize the problem of the lack of the >> delineators with WLM2011 which
is why I always insert a double dash line (===) before I begin the text of
my post. Several past posters have thanked me for this courtesy as it helps
them to separate out to whom the post is directed.

As stated before, I find WLM 2011 to be a good replacement for Outlook
Express as have numerous other posters here. I will continue to post when I
have a question or when I have something of interest to share. I hope the
inconvenience that some few of you seem to experience with my posts will be
tolerable.

 

[Roy Smith]

I find it strange that I experience none of the dimming or
overlapping that you and one or two others have experienced when
reading my posts. All of my own posts, and those of others on this
board appear clearly here at this end.

That's because WLM is broken and is not displaying the signature text
properly on your end. It also doesn't remove the signature when you
quote a message when replying. If you insist on continuing to use WLM
2011, then please at least remove the signature block at the end of the
text you quote. The reason is that most newsreaders automatically
remove it when you hit reply, and since your comments are below the
signature of the quoted material it gets stripped off as well. In order
for me to have your comments included in this reply, I had to use
selective quoting where I highlight text before hitting the reply
button. I then had to reformat the text so that it would be in the
proper format.... much more work (for me) than what should have been
necessary.

I recognize the problem of the lack of the >> delineators with
WLM2011 which is why I always insert a double dash line (===) before
I begin the text of my post. Several past posters have thanked me
for this courtesy as it helps them to separate out to whom the post
is directed.

I agree that it does help some....

As stated before, I find WLM 2011 to be a good replacement for
Outlook Express as have numerous other posters here. I will continue
to post when I have a question or when I have something of interest
to share. I hope the inconvenience that some few of you seem to
experience with my posts will be tolerable.

On the contrary it's not just a few, it's the majority of people here
that have to suffer with WLM 2011's quoting and signature problems.
It's only a handful of people who are complaining about it.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Monday, February 21, 2011 3:35:27 PM

 

[bobster]

"Roy Smith" wrote in message

I find it strange that I experience none of the dimming or
overlapping that you and one or two others have experienced when
reading my posts. All of my own posts, and those of others on this
board appear clearly here at this end.

That's because WLM is broken and is not displaying the signature text
properly on your end. It also doesn't remove the signature when you
quote a message when replying. If you insist on continuing to use WLM
2011, then please at least remove the signature block at the end of the
text you quote. The reason is that most newsreaders automatically
remove it when you hit reply, and since your comments are below the
signature of the quoted material it gets stripped off as well. In order
for me to have your comments included in this reply, I had to use
selective quoting where I highlight text before hitting the reply
button. I then had to reformat the text so that it would be in the
proper format.... much more work (for me) than what should have been
necessary.

I recognize the problem of the lack of the >> delineators with
WLM2011 which is why I always insert a double dash line (===) before
I begin the text of my post. Several past posters have thanked me
for this courtesy as it helps them to separate out to whom the post
is directed.

I agree that it does help some....

As stated before, I find WLM 2011 to be a good replacement for
Outlook Express as have numerous other posters here. I will continue
to post when I have a question or when I have something of interest
to share. I hope the inconvenience that some few of you seem to
experience with my posts will be tolerable.

On the contrary it's not just a few, it's the majority of people here
that have to suffer with WLM 2011's quoting and signature problems.
It's only a handful of people who are complaining about it.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Monday, February 21, 2011 3:35:27 PM


==========================================================================================

Roy,

Sorry to waste so much of your time but curiosity has gotten the better of
me. I received your latest post on the WLM 2011 subject complete with the
two dash (--) delineator line and your complete signature displayed below
it. I am responding to you below a double dash delineator line which I have
inserted directly below your signature. Did it appear at your end that way?

Bobster

 

[Char Jackson]

"Dick Mahar" wrote in message

Yeah, sort of like how driving on public roads is a "to each his own"
kind of thing.