Windows Live Mail 11 - How to Reply with ">"?

[XS11E]

The item on the list that I don't really understand is the "clear
difference between "followup" and "reply". I've been using USENET
for a good many years now, and I'm not aware of the difference.
Unless "reply" is an email reply to the OP.

Correct, many newsreaders use those terms. Xnews, which I use, has
"Followup to Newsgroup" and "Reply by Mail", I guess Agent uses
different terminology?

 

[James Silverton]

Since you're using Usenet, you should know, Google it.

Thanks for the ingenious suggestion; I did say I didn't care.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Nil]

Sounds like you're a candidate for web-based mail...

Or IMAP (which Gmail has available.)

 

[Char Jackson]

Correct, many newsreaders use those terms. Xnews, which I use, has
"Followup to Newsgroup" and "Reply by Mail", I guess Agent uses
different terminology?

No, Agent (2.0) uses the same terminology.

 

[DGDevin]

"SC Tom" wrote in message

Along with what the others have suggested, you can uninstall WLM 2011 and
install WLM 2009 instead, which handles quoting a lot better:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=56883de5-2024-4631-806e-757693072a1c

How do you lock-in that version so it isn't updated to the %$#@! 2011
version?

 

[XS11E]

Thanks for the ingenious suggestion; I did say I didn't care.

I noticed, sorry I didn't realize you were that inconsiderate of
others.

You'll find plenty of other inconsiderate, rude assholes in my bozo
bin, have fun!

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I'm leaning that way, as well.

By now, I fear that it's the nicest thing one can say abut the OP.

I try not to get ad hominem, but eventually I *do* run out of patience


OT: My spell checker wants me to be ad homonym or ad hominy. Which one
should I choose?

 

[BillW50]

Good grief are you uninformed. OE has no real time spell check and no
junk filter and you think it's the best? And if your computer crashes
when OE is compacting messages what happens, sport?

I can't speak for Mortimer, but I can speak for myself. Back in the old
DOS and CP/M days, the better software allowed you to plug in your own
favorite text editor to reply with. So when you hit reply, it would save
a temporary text file (and it did the quoting too), open up the text
editor in a shell with that temporary text file. When your done, you
save and exit. Then the program would send out your post to the world.

The reason for this was why should the programmer for a reader waste
their time on an editor when you probably have something you like better
anyway.

Then Windows applications came out and that stopped the whole using your
own editor deal. Although Outlook does allow Word as the editor. But
that is the only one I know of. And I wasn't too crazy how Word
transposed into WordMail. As it didn't have all of the features of Word
either.

Yes, OE doesn't have a real time spell checker. But tinySpell works in
OE so there you go. Plus there is always copy and paste into your
favorite editor too (not as nice as the old days when the reader would
do it for you). I use the latter all of the time. That way I have tons
of editing power including macros.

No junk filter? No there isn't. But thanks that OE is a very popular
reader. As there are lots of third party support that takes care of that
problem. Although I never needed one myself. As I only get about two or
three a day and I had this email address since '94. And while the server
has its own junk filter too, I also have that one turned off as well.

Computer crashes when OE is compacting messages what happens? Yes it can
toast your database, so I have heard. Oddly enough, I have been using OE
since day one and that never ever happened to me yet. But let's just say
that it did. Now what happens?

The old copy is in your Recycle Bin, so there you go. Also we all make
backups anyway, don't we? Also everything is on the servers too. That is
why I only use MAPI email servers. No need to use backups or anything if
I don't want too. Plus they are all available on any computer connected
to the net.

 

[BillW50]

I suspect we're being trolled.

Troll my butt! Any newsreader without this feature is a worthless
newsreader. As what good is one if you can't instantly show the replies
to your posts? I am dead serious!

Some newsreaders fake this by the user making a filter and somehow
marking all of these replies. Yes this is the poor man's way of doing
it. Nor is it easy to toggle back and forth. And sometimes the filter
misses some of them as well.

This is so easy to code into any newsreader. Just take your email
address and show those plus any posts which references those posts. And
hide all others. Both newbies to advanced users would all find this so
handy. And it would be a great selling feature for any newsreader. Yet I
found none that does it besides Microsoft.

 

[BillW50]

"My mind is made up; don't confuse me with facts."

Of course it's not Ctrl-H, but it's hardly reasonable to expect every
program to have an identical user interface.

Nobody is asking for one. Just to instantly hide all non related posts.
The busier a newsgroup is, the handier this feature is.

 

[BillW50]

Gravity can do this quite easily, and I'm sure it's far from the only
newsreader with that capability.

Really? How does it work basically? I mean does it toggle between show
all and show only replies to my posts for example?

 

[BillW50]

You haven't used any others, obviously?

I have! And I am using Thunderbird as I speak. And OE is still the best
one out there for me. It searches super fast and allows me to see just
the posts that I am interested in. Can't run OE right now since MS never
released a Linux version of OE. ;-)

 

[James Silverton]

I can't speak for Mortimer, but I can speak for myself. Back in the old
DOS and CP/M days, the better software allowed you to plug in your own
favorite text editor to reply with. So when you hit reply, it would save
a temporary text file (and it did the quoting too), open up the text
editor in a shell with that temporary text file. When your done, you
save and exit. Then the program would send out your post to the world.

The reason for this was why should the programmer for a reader waste
their time on an editor when you probably have something you like better
anyway.

Then Windows applications came out and that stopped the whole using your
own editor deal. Although Outlook does allow Word as the editor. But
that is the only one I know of. And I wasn't too crazy how Word
transposed into WordMail. As it didn't have all of the features of Word
either.

Yes, OE doesn't have a real time spell checker. But tinySpell works in
OE so there you go. Plus there is always copy and paste into your
favorite editor too (not as nice as the old days when the reader would
do it for you). I use the latter all of the time. That way I have tons
of editing power including macros.

Does not OE have a spelling checker using the dictionary of MS Word. I
can't speak for W7 but it certainly did under XP.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"
(e-mail address removed)

 

[BillW50]

Does not OE have a spelling checker using the dictionary of MS Word. I
can't speak for W7 but it certainly did under XP.

OE doesn't run under Windows 7. But what Alias was referring to was a
check as you type spell checker. That OE doesn't do, but you can with
tinySpell. And while OE doesn't have its own spell dictionary, it can
use the one from many different Microsoft products that does.

 

[James Silverton]

OE doesn't run under Windows 7. But what Alias was referring to was a
check as you type spell checker. That OE doesn't do, but you can with
tinySpell. And while OE doesn't have its own spell dictionary, it can
use the one from many different Microsoft products that does.

I don't want to be picky but I wonder why we (and I apologize for
myself) are discussing OE in a ng with the title alt.windows7.general?
However, I will say that I liked some aspects of OE's rules tho' its
inability to check the text was limiting.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"
(e-mail address removed)

 

[BillW50]

In

I don't want to be picky but I wonder why we (and I apologize for
myself) are discussing OE in a ng with the title alt.windows7.general?
However, I will say that I liked some aspects of OE's rules tho' its
inability to check the text was limiting.

Well parts of OE does live on with WLM. ;-)

 

[SC Tom]

"SC Tom" wrote in message



How do you lock-in that version so it isn't updated to the %$#@! 2011
version?

Set up Microsoft Updates to notify you when updates are ready instead of
letting it blindly install everything. Then when you get notified, look and
see what it wants to install. If Live 2011 is on the list, uncheck it, then
right-click on it and select "Hide this update."

 

[relic]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE
QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with
it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices


Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and
yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean
something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM.
So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear
OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked
because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone
wants to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to
run the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I
was seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I
haven't had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or
anything similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?
--
SC Tom


OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?

You didn't notice the sig?

Hmmm, got me on that one. For the most part, it seems to take care of the
sigs, but I guess not in this case Although I haven't seen a problem
with it fixing the quoting errors; I'm yet to have to manually add carets
to a reply, and that's what the original post and replies were about. I
think all that kinda got lost in the discussions of how bad Microsoft is
and how much better anything else is.

OE-Quotefix isn't adding the '>' for you, WLM version 14 is. The thread is
about the fact that WLM 2011 (version 15) won't do it.

 

[SC Tom]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE
QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with
it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of
choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe
I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and
yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean
something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM.
So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear
OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked
because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone
wants to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to
run the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing
I was seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that.
I haven't had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them,
or anything similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?
--
SC Tom


OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?
--
SC Tom


You didn't notice the sig?

Hmmm, got me on that one. For the most part, it seems to take care of the
sigs, but I guess not in this case Although I haven't seen a problem
with it fixing the quoting errors; I'm yet to have to manually add carets
to a reply, and that's what the original post and replies were about. I
think all that kinda got lost in the discussions of how bad Microsoft is
and how much better anything else is.

OE-Quotefix isn't adding the '>' for you, WLM version 14 is. The thread is
about the fact that WLM 2011 (version 15) won't do it.

On most but not all. I saw the same problem with OE6.

 

[BillW50]

On most but not all. I saw the same problem with OE6.

You did? I use OE6 and OE-QuoteFix all of the time and I never saw that.
I only saw it for the brief time running WLM.