Windows Live Mail 11 - How to Reply with ">"?

[Rebecca]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE
QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices


Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and
yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear
OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because
it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants
to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to
run the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I
was seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I
haven't had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or
anything similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?
--
SC Tom


OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?

You didn't notice the sig?

OE-Quotefix doesn't do anything with WLM. I think he just thinks it does.

 

[Big Steel]

Must be frustrating to be so unhappy with everything except a program
that's going away. Do you also use OE for email?

You had better leave the NG and get busy, taking a trip and trying to
save Linux over there Europe.

<http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/3/30/eu-agrees-windows-7-upgrade-without-public-tender/>

 

[Big Steel]

It isn't my job to "save" Linux, although I don't have to "take a trip"
to get to Europe because I live in Europe.

I know you live in Spain, and you can travel for Linux over there and
jump up and down like you do in NG(s) can't you? Look listen to me now,
you can go door to door over there and give your spill -- make a case
for Linux. You can try can't you?

 

[Stan Brown]

And why does everybody except Microsoft missed the boat on
show my replies to my posts? IMHO this is a *must* have feature

Gravity can do this quite easily, and I'm sure it's far from the only
newsreader with that capability.

 

[Mortimer]

You use OE for email!? LOL! No wonder there's no hope for you.

OE was a damn good program for what it did. Then things went downhill.
Windows Mail kept the same user-interface but replaced one file per email
folder with one file per email message which dramaitcally increases the time
to search a folder for matching emails. Then Windows Live Mail came a long.
This uses Windows Mail's one file per email message architecture but couples
it to the User Interface From Hell: pastel colours, very little visual
distinction between read (bold) and unread (non-bold) messages, separate
folders for Inbox, Sent Items, Outbox and Deleted Items for each mail
account, very large font used for the folder list, so only a few folder
names are visible on screen at the same time.

Outlook is better from the user interface point of view - more like OE or
WM - but its architecture of one file (PST) for *all* folders is a disaster
waiting to happen: if that file gets corrupted eg by a power cut you
potentially lose everything. I spent about two hours repairing a corrupted
PST file that was several GB in size (the user hadn't been compacting the
file to remove space taken up by deleted or moved emails) because that's how
long the automatic PST-repair utility took to run. Also, when you back up
the PST file, it takes ages, whereas backing up the individual DBX files of
OE or the individual EML files of WM/WLM is much quicker because you are
only backing up the ones that have actually changed.

Outlook is missing a very useful feature that OE, WM andWLM has: the ability
to export an email account (POP/SMTP server, POP user etc) and then import
it to Outlook on another PC. This means that you always have to know the POP
password to regenerate the account on the new PC - and many users forget
what there's is!

Outlook's scheduling of tasks (send from each account, read each account)
seems to be weird: it looks as if it runs in the background and can't be
killed off by killing Outlook (if it jams solid). Diagnosing email
connection problems with Outlook is always far more of a problem than with
OE/WM/WLM.


When I got a new Windows 7 PC and saw that it came with WLM, I investigated
other mail clients such as Thunderbird but none were as usable as OE. It's
very useful to be able to transfer a DBX file or a folder of EML files from
the mail store on one PC to the one on the other PC to synchronise the email
folder contents between laptop and desktop PC. In particular, it's useful to
merge the messages in a laptop's Sent Items into that folder on the desktop
PC by attaching them to an email message, emailing it to yourself and then
detaching those EML files into the correct folder on the other PC.
Thunderbird didn't seem to allow this.

 

[Stan Brown]

Yes everything except Microplanet Gravity. Although I am sure it doesn't
have the must have feature of show replies to my posts (CTRL-H) either.

"My mind is made up; don't confuse me with facts."

Of course it's not Ctrl-H, but it's hardly reasonable to expect every
program to have an identical user interface.

 

[Stan Brown]

He keeps specifying CTRL-H, so maybe it's a requirement to have that
key combo involved somehow. Strange...

I suspect we're being trolled.

 

[Big Steel]

Not interested, sorry.

LOL! You are a sorry Linux storm-trooper that's all I have to say. When
the chips are on the line and you can make a big difference over there
in Europe for Linux, you disappear.

Come on now, get out there and do something useful for Linux, you are
the Linux man, the Man for Linux. You can do it. You can do it. You're
not too old to do it, kind of like a Johnny Apple Seed just doing your
thing.

 

[SC Tom]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE
QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices


Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and
yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear
OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because
it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants
to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to
run the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I
was seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I
haven't had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or
anything similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?
--
SC Tom


OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?

You didn't notice the sig?

Hmmm, got me on that one. For the most part, it seems to take care of the
sigs, but I guess not in this case Although I haven't seen a problem
with it fixing the quoting errors; I'm yet to have to manually add carets to
a reply, and that's what the original post and replies were about. I think
all that kinda got lost in the discussions of how bad Microsoft is and how
much better anything else is.

There may not be a fix for WLM 2011 except using something else. All the
negative reviews and comments were what kept me on WLM 2009 on my Win7
machine.

 

[Big Steel]

Not interested. I don't care if you or anyone else uses Linux.

i am using Windows 7. Come on now, you have been running your mouth
about Linux the very first day when I ran into in the MSDN Windows Vista
forum. It was all about how Linux is going overtake Windows on the
desktop. You have been running around all over Spain and all over the
Windows forums and NG(s) about Linux. You are a disappointment, because
you won't do anything when it counts. Linux needs you.

 

[Mortimer]

Good grief are you uninformed. OE has no real time spell check and no junk
filter and you think it's the best? And if your computer crashes when OE
is compacting messages what happens, sport?

I did say "OE was a damn good program *for what it did*". I agree that there
are other programs with greater functionality: the calendar in Outlook,
especially when used with the meeting-scheduling capabilities of Exchange in
an office environment, is excellent. But OE/WM/WLM does what it does
(ignoring what it doesn't do) better than Outlook (IMHO), in terms of ease
of supporting it when it goes wrong.

By the end, OE had cracked the DBX-corruption problems that it had with
earlier versions, by making sure that the old, uncompressed DBX file was
preserved until the new, compressed one was fully written to disk. But
before that, it was a big problem! Been there! And what about corruption of
Outlook's PST file if the PC crashes...

The point I was making was that as far as I can see, OE/WM/WLM is the best
free email program *for my needs*. I fully agree that more time needs to be
spent removing the remaining bugs such as intemittent problem with applying
">" quoting and correctly sorting the list of emails by recipient in the
Sent Items list (a bug that crept into WLM 2011 that wasn't there in WLM
2009).

If Thunderbird made it easier to transfer selected messages from one PC to
another to keep them synchronised (a requirement that I need) then I might
think about changing both my PCs to use it.

 

[Char Jackson]

I suspect we're being trolled.

I'm leaning that way, as well.

 

[Char Jackson]

If Thunderbird made it easier to transfer selected messages from one PC to
another to keep them synchronised (a requirement that I need) then I might
think about changing both my PCs to use it.

Sounds like you're a candidate for web-based mail...

 

[XS11E]

OE was a damn good program for what it did.

OE was a horrible program, it did little and was almost completely non-
GNKSA compliant.

 

[Sir_George]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix
those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but
works with WLM 2009 also. I haven't tried it
with WLM 2011, but it might work with it also so
you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of
choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM
2011")? I believe I read here a few weeks ago that
it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used
OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with WLM. OEQF uses the
unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too
flaky and yanked it (i.e., they unpublished it but
there are probably sites where it still exists).
Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean
something written for OE's unpublished API will work
[reliably] with WLM. So I'm curious if OEQF
actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes
it appear OEQF may be usable with WLM2011 although I
have to wonder about any extension that relies on an
unpublished API that got yanked because it was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and
WM (Vista) only. Perhaps he was thinking of
Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it
seems to work just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it
in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test it out on WLM 2011,
it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. HOW did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but
it has NO effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you
have to run the stand-alone version. It's pretty
transparent; the only thing I was seeing was the icon in the
notification area until I hid that. I haven't had to edit
any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything
similar. What is it you're wanting it to do? -- SC Tom


OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see
it did nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?
-- SC Tom

You didn't notice the sig?

Hmmm, got me on that one. For the most part, it seems to take care of
the sigs, but I guess not in this case Although I haven't seen a
problem with it fixing the quoting errors; I'm yet to have to
manually add carets to a reply, and that's what the original post and
replies were about. I think all that kinda got lost in the
discussions of how bad Microsoft is and how much better anything else
is.

There may not be a fix for WLM 2011 except using something else. All
the negative reviews and comments were what kept me on WLM 2009 on my
Win7 machine.

I don't see any "carets", which is this symbol "^", in any of the
replies. I believe you mean the "Less than" and "Greater than" symbols
which are, < >.

 

[XS11E]

The point I was making was that as far as I can see, OE/WM/WLM is
the best free email program *for my needs*.

You haven't used any others, obviously?

 

[James Silverton]

OE was a horrible program, it did little and was almost completely non-
GNKSA compliant.

I don't know (or really care) what GNKSA is but OE had a rather useful
feature for testing rules: the ability to display the subject in a
different color rather than deleting or moving to another folder. It was
easy to get a mental picture of the application of a rule.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm "not"
(e-mail address removed)

 

[SC Tom]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix
those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but
works with WLM 2009 also. I haven't tried it
with WLM 2011, but it might work with it also so
you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of
choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM
2011")? I believe I read here a few weeks ago that
it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used
OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with WLM. OEQF uses the
unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too
flaky and yanked it (i.e., they unpublished it but
there are probably sites where it still exists).
Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean
something written for OE's unpublished API will work
[reliably] with WLM. So I'm curious if OEQF
actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes
it appear OEQF may be usable with WLM2011 although I
have to wonder about any extension that relies on an
unpublished API that got yanked because it was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and
WM (Vista) only. Perhaps he was thinking of
Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it
seems to work just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it
in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test it out on WLM 2011,
it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. HOW did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but
it has NO effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you
have to run the stand-alone version. It's pretty
transparent; the only thing I was seeing was the icon in the
notification area until I hid that. I haven't had to edit
any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything
similar. What is it you're wanting it to do? -- SC Tom


OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see
it did nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?
-- SC Tom


You didn't notice the sig?

Hmmm, got me on that one. For the most part, it seems to take care of
the sigs, but I guess not in this case Although I haven't seen a
problem with it fixing the quoting errors; I'm yet to have to
manually add carets to a reply, and that's what the original post and
replies were about. I think all that kinda got lost in the
discussions of how bad Microsoft is and how much better anything else
is.

There may not be a fix for WLM 2011 except using something else. All
the negative reviews and comments were what kept me on WLM 2009 on my
Win7 machine.

I don't see any "carets", which is this symbol "^", in any of the
replies. I believe you mean the "Less than" and "Greater than" symbols
which are, < >.

Mea culpa, mea culpa. I stand corrected.

 

[XS11E]

I don't know (or really care) what GNKSA is

Since you're using Usenet, you should know, Google it.

 

[Tim Slattery]

I don't know (or really care) what GNKSA is

"Good NetKeeping Seal of Approval"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Netkeeping_Seal_of_Approval

The item on the list that I don't really understand is the "clear
difference between "followup" and "reply". I've been using USENET for
a good many years now, and I'm not aware of the difference. Unless
"reply" is an email reply to the OP.