Windows Live Mail 11 - How to Reply with ">"?

[Les Stewart]

Using Windows Live Mail 11 as a Newsgroup reader with Windows 7. Since
upgrading from the old Live Mail, I cannot figure out how to get replies to
Newsgroups to have the ">" in front of the quoted text. Any ideas?

Thanks! (and yes, I know it is a sucky program)

-- Les

 

[VanguardLH]

Using Windows Live Mail 11 as a Newsgroup reader with Windows 7. Since
upgrading from the old Live Mail, I cannot figure out how to get replies to
Newsgroups to have the ">" in front of the quoted text. Any ideas?

Thanks! (and yes, I know it is a sucky program)

A bit of Googling, especially looking in the newsgroups for WLM
(microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop), would have showed you that
Microsoft removed quoting in version 15 (2011). Now you get to do that
yourself or provide another means of differentiating your reply from the
quoted content. Enjoy.

Time to consider moving to a better newsreader. Microsoft doesn't like
Usenet because they cannot control either its content or its protocol.
Hopefully they will eventually slice off all of the NNTP functionality
since they don't want to support it.

 

[Alex Clayton]

Using Windows Live Mail 11 as a Newsgroup reader with Windows 7. Since
upgrading from the old Live Mail, I cannot figure out how to get replies
to Newsgroups to have the ">" in front of the quoted text. Any ideas?

Thanks! (and yes, I know it is a sucky program)

-- Les

T-bird is free, from Mozilla. It may take some getting used to. Another
free one is Xananews. That one is pretty close to OE, and the old Live
Mail. Since they are free down load them both and see how they work for you

 

[SC Tom]

Using Windows Live Mail 11 as a Newsgroup reader with Windows 7. Since
upgrading from the old Live Mail, I cannot figure out how to get replies
to Newsgroups to have the ">" in front of the quoted text. Any ideas?

Thanks! (and yes, I know it is a sucky program)

-- Les

Along with what the others have suggested, you can uninstall WLM 2011 and
install WLM 2009 instead, which handles quoting a lot better:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=56883de5-2024-4631-806e-757693072a1c

Even then, some responses still won't be handled properly. An add-on program
that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009 also. I
haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it also so you
wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

 

[Stan Brown]

Using Windows Live Mail 11 as a Newsgroup reader with Windows 7. Since
upgrading from the old Live Mail, I cannot figure out how to get replies to
Newsgroups to have the ">" in front of the quoted text. Any ideas?

Thanks! (and yes, I know it is a sucky program)

You're actually using WLM 15, according to the headers on your
article. And, as has been discussed here often, there is no way,
none, to configure it to post properly.

Luckily, there are plenty of free and low-cost alternatives that *do*
post properly.

 

[Stan Brown]

An add-on program
that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009 also. I
haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it also so you
wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

 

[VanguardLH]

You're actually using WLM 15, according to the headers on your
article.

Windows Live Mail version 15 = Windows Live Mail 2011. See:

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-mail?os=winxp

This is typical of versioning versus product naming. Windows XP is
Windows NT version 5.1, Windows 7 is Windows NT version 7 (this one
happens to match but is not required). One is the product name, the
other is the version. Often the product name does not contain a version
or it uses a different value (year numbering seems that have caught on
with the marketers).

Product name may not equate to the version number.

 

[VanguardLH]

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

 

[relic]

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

Why on earth would anyone be running WLM 2011?

 

[relic]

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista) only.
Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.

 

[Ken Blake]

Windows Live Mail version 15 = Windows Live Mail 2011. See:

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-mail?os=winxp

This is typical of versioning versus product naming.

Yes, although I think of it more as the version name being the *real*
product name and what you are calling the product name being the
*marketing name*.

Windows XP is Windows NT version 5.1,

Yes, and Windows 2000 was 5.0.

Windows 7 is Windows NT version 7 (this one happens to match but is not required).

But no. Windows 7 is really NT 6.1 (Vista was 6.0).

 

[TheCroW]

T-bird is free, from Mozilla. It may take some getting used to.
Another free one is Xananews. That one is pretty close to OE, and the
old Live Mail. Since they are free down load them both and see how
they work for you

Ahhh, thanx for that Xananews tip!! Like everbody else I hated Live
Mail 2011 but I also did not like FreeAgent or Thunderbird. But
Xananews is just what I was looking for: just plain simple and nice
working.
Thanx again!

Menno

--

 

[relic]

Using Windows Live Mail 11 as a Newsgroup reader with Windows 7. Since
upgrading from the old Live Mail, I cannot figure out how to get replies
to Newsgroups to have the ">" in front of the quoted text. Any ideas?

Thanks! (and yes, I know it is a sucky program)

Remove all of Windows Live 2011 in Add/Remove Programs.
Download and install the parts of Windows Live 2009 you want.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/...entials-messenger-version-2009-for-windows-7/

(or, http://tinyurl.com/4lkptfm )

 

[Stan Brown]

Windows Live Mail version 15 = Windows Live Mail 2011. See:

Well yes, but the OP said "Windows Live Mail 11", which is wrong.
Why'd you snip that?

 

[VanguardLH]

Well yes, but the OP said "Windows Live Mail 11", which is wrong.
Why'd you snip that?

Because most users often truncate off the first 2 digits in a "version"
shown in a product title. MS Office users might refer to 7 and 10 for
the 2007 and 2010 versions. I didn't think there was confusion in that
"11" meant "2011" but then maybe that's just me and knowing all of the
Windows Live *suite* of stuff is now under the 2011 version titling.

 

[Char Jackson]

Because most users often truncate off the first 2 digits in a "version"
shown in a product title.

I have to say that I can't remember a single time that I've seen that.

MS Office users might refer to 7 and 10 for
the 2007 and 2010 versions. I didn't think there was confusion in that
"11" meant "2011" but then maybe that's just me and knowing all of the
Windows Live *suite* of stuff is now under the 2011 version titling.

I simply assumed that the OP had made a typo/mistake.

 

[Ken Blake]

I have to say that I can't remember a single time that I've seen that.

What, you've never heard of Windows 00?

 

[Char Jackson]

What, you've never heard of Windows 00?

Well, now that you mention it....

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

What, you've never heard of Windows 00?

Pronounced "Windows? uh-oh!" I take it...

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Pronounced "Windows? uh-oh!" I take it...

I prefer Windows naughty-naughty, but I like your idea too.