Windows Essentials

[Ed Cryer]

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 01:19:20 -0400, Big Steel wrote:

On 7/7/2011 10:41 PM, thanatoid wrote:


Like someone write some time ago in another group, using
MS products for security is like hiring a pedophile to
work in a day care center.

... they should have strangled your sorry nym shifting
ass

[other vituperation excised]

thanatoid has been posting under that nym for years that I
know about.

I have never seen that clown using a word like 'pedophile'

Just because a new word has never been used by someone is a
rather peculiar reason to assume it is someone else writing.
Onomatopoeia. How's that? Still thanatoid? Booger ? Wheelbarrow?

I like that phrase. It brings unpleasant associations, since
child abuse is disturbing, but it is a good comparison. Most
people with a clue believe that starting with XP, MS have done a
fair bit of spying on its users, and most also know that MS
often does not bother fixing mistakes and holes in its OS and
"browser" unless it is forced to by /other people/ discovering
them and announcing their findings. So I happen to think that
"MS security software" is an oxymoron.

so I assumed it was a nym shifting troll. It's prime meat
to be impersonated.

What the hell does THAT mean?

Why the clown is here is a mystery?

Since that sentence is statement, not a question, it should not
end with a question mark. Had you said "why are you here,
clown", a q. mark would have been appropriate.

It's not using Win 7 or any NT based O/S, and it can't help
anyone.

You have a point, and I have wondered why no one has questioned
this before. (I have noticed that almost all of my
advice/comments are totally ignored, and probably with good
reason.)

The reason I /did/ start coming here - as I believe I explained
once or twice before - was to hear from actual /users/ whether
Win7 was really the dog's gift to the world that all the rave
reviews have been saying it is.

And I have learned here that it seems to be more of the usual
"invent 500 MB's of ways to hide our mistakes rather than just
fix them". IOW, the usual MS approach. Also, a lot of idiotic
changes appear to have been made for no valid reason. More of
the same, again.

Many of you know Vista was 6.0 and Win7 is really 6.1. And it
seems the .1 is the addition of an army of brooms to sweep the
dirt under the carpet. The way it's going, I don't think MS is
/ever/ going to get it right. How long before Windows 19? Don't
people have ANYTHING better to do than to stand in line all
night long to be the first in their neighborhood to own another
piece of MS crapware?

Rather than piling on more crap (I read somewhere that there is
still code from the 80's in Vista - and possibly Win7), MS
should just start from scratch, since the argument of "everybody
needs the programs they already have" does not hold water. MS
force people to buy new software more than anyone else.

When I suggest a program that is more than a few years old, as I
often do, I am laughed at. But my 8-15 year old programs are a
lot smaller, faster, and more bug-free then the new versions
everyone constantly churns out. Bloat it up, mess it up, give it
a new version number, a shiny new package, and the sheep WILL
buy it. The latest version of Acronis for home is a 168MB
/download/ !!! - my version from 2001 is under 10MB /installed/,
and it has never given me any trouble. Just ONE example.

98SE Lite is the most acceptable MS OS that I have used - the
only ones I have **zero** experience with are Win7, the original
NT (3.51 or something), Me and 2000, which all lasted a
relatively short time and had little impact. I /have/ used XP
and it drives me insane, and Vista, which I have spent about 50
hours with, is far worse, as everyone knows. And It does not
seem that Win7 is much better after all. But not to worry -
apparently Windows 8 is just around the corner.

It constantly amazes me that the two OS's most people consider
the best (Mac and Linux) are based on 30+ year old Unix - AFAIK.

One would think /someone/ could come up with a decent OS in
nearly half a century of "personal computing". But I suppose it
doesn't really matter since within a few years desktop computers
will be a rarity in the home - iPads and the like will have
taken over completely.

He's strictly low-tech using Win 9.x here for no other reason

but to troll.

My 98SEL computer probably runs faster and better than whatever
you have, so don't call it low-tech. There have been few really
significant improvements to the technology, except making
everything faster but also so much more bloated that the
/actual/ speed of the computing experience remains about the
same.

Few truly original programs (excepting those involving
completely new technology) have been written in the last 10
years, and many worthwhile older programs have disappeared or
been bought out and/or killed off by more powerful competition
pushing their inferior product. It's quite an ugly situation,
really.

And again, I'm not trolling. Even I have better things to do.

There's something in what you say about the bloating process. I've seen
it happen time and again with all kinds of things; firewalls, antivirus
suites, DVD-burning suites.

I'm not a Luddite like you, but I can see something of your underlying
complaint. I recently decided to update my Ashampoo DVD-burner from
version 6 (free, and which does what it says on the can) to version 10.
Bloat, bloat, bloat. It's following the Nero path.

The thing is, though, that modern programmers program for machines with
minimum 3GB memory, vast HD space and dual processors that operate at
about 3GHtz. What was the average Win98 hardware configuration? So your
comparisons are largely irrelevant. I guess it was the same with the old
Luddites smashing up mechanical weaving-looms; they were trying to turn
back time to some Garden-of-Eden paradise that had existed only in their
dreams.

Ed

 

[Ed Cryer]

I like your 8-bit brain metaphor!

Maybe I'll steal it from you

I have a Euclidean mind operating in a non-Euclidean world.

Ed

 

[Antares 531]

I like your 8-bit brain metaphor!

Maybe I'll steal it from you

At least, I'm fortunate enough to have my 8-bit brain at the top end
of my spinal column. Some seem to have their brain at the lower end.

Gordon

 

[XS11E]

On 09/07/2011 04:59, thanatoid wrote:

Eh? The year I left school (1979) their was ONE computer for all
the secondary schools in the Edinburgh LEA area (and no it wasn't
just a backward area).

The year I left high school (1952) there were no classroom computers
AFAIK.

Nobody missed them IIRC.

NOTE to Thanatoad, there are multiple decent OSs, Windows, Linux, iOS,
all work well doing the jobs their designed to do. Thanatoad's
inability to successfully use an OS reflects more on his incompetency
than on the OS. Don't reply, Toad, you've been in my BOZO bin for
years.

BTW, the first personal computer was 1975, that's when Ed Roberts
introduced the Altair 8800 and coined the term "Personal Computer", no
personal computer existed prior to that because the term didn't exist
prior to that, so we've had "personal computing" for 36 years, no more,
no less.

 

[Antares 531]

The year I left high school (1952) there were no classroom computers
AFAIK.

Nobody missed them IIRC.

NOTE to Thanatoad, there are multiple decent OSs, Windows, Linux, iOS,
all work well doing the jobs their designed to do. Thanatoad's
inability to successfully use an OS reflects more on his incompetency
than on the OS. Don't reply, Toad, you've been in my BOZO bin for
years.

BTW, the first personal computer was 1975, that's when Ed Roberts
introduced the Altair 8800 and coined the term "Personal Computer", no
personal computer existed prior to that because the term didn't exist
prior to that, so we've had "personal computing" for 36 years, no more,
no less.

I also graduated from highschool in the spring of 1952. We, nor any
other schools that I knew about had anything more sophisticated than
those old times adding machines...calculators.

My science teacher was onto the idea that computers were being
developed and would soon be a part of our lives. He encouraged us to
learn to type, even though, at that time typing was thought to be
"only for the girls." I took Mr, Carrier's advise and enrolled in the
typing class. I learned to type very well, and have been very grateful
for Mr. Carrier's advise.

After graduating from college with a degree in Physics, I worked for
RCA Missile Test Project, at Cape Canaveral. We installed those early
generation IBM Punched Card computers at the Canaveral Launch Center,
on the tracking ships and at the down-range tracking stations.
Checking those things out and getting them "fine tuned" was a real
struggle.

Gordon

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

The year I left high school (1952) there were no classroom computers
AFAIK.

Nobody missed them IIRC.

NOTE to Thanatoad, there are multiple decent OSs, Windows, Linux,
iOS, all work well doing the jobs their designed to do. Thanatoad's
inability to successfully use an OS reflects more on his incompetency
than on the OS. Don't reply, Toad, you've been in my BOZO bin for
years.

BTW, the first personal computer was 1975, that's when Ed Roberts
introduced the Altair 8800 and coined the term "Personal Computer",
no personal computer existed prior to that because the term didn't
exist prior to that, so we've had "personal computing" for 36 years,
no more, no less.

I had a "personal computer" in the '60's. Of course, it filled a whole
room on the Stanford campus, and I had to share it with a few thousand
other people.

 

[Ken Blake]

....


I also graduated from highschool in the spring of 1952. We, nor any
other schools that I knew about had anything more sophisticated than
those old times adding machines...calculators.

You two guys are even older than I am! I wasn't graduated from high
school until 1955.

 

[choro]

You two guys are even older than I am! I wasn't graduated from high
school until 1955.

Hey, what is this?! A geriatrics club?
-- choro --

 

[arnold]

You two guys are even older than I am! I wasn't graduated from high
school until 1955.

I'm young. I graduated in 1958. I was too stupid to even understand the
word "computer".

 

[thanatoid]

On 7/8/2011 11:59 PM, thanatoid wrote:



Really man, go away. You can go back to
24hoursupport.helpdesk if all you are going to do is come
here bash, whine and bitch. I could care less

Oh, so you DO care a little bit?

Moron. Learn to speak English.

about your
take on things and your bitching. I am not interested in
what you have to bitch about. be a man and go bitch to your
wife, girlfriend or your mother.

That's a FASCINATING definition of being a man.

 

[BillW50]

In

The year I left high school (1952) there were no classroom computers
AFAIK.

Nobody missed them IIRC.

NOTE to Thanatoad, there are multiple decent OSs, Windows, Linux, iOS,
all work well doing the jobs their designed to do. Thanatoad's
inability to successfully use an OS reflects more on his incompetency
than on the OS. Don't reply, Toad, you've been in my BOZO bin for
years.

There has been hundreds of OSs in this time actually. I've seen a list
sometime ago and I couldn't believe there has been so many of them. And
unlike thanatoid, I know some of them were actually quite good. But
having a great OS and virtually no great applications is about as useful
as a fish out of water.

There was a saying about 30 some years ago that I think most have
forgotten. And I think it is just as important today as it was back
then. And that was you first pick the applications that you want to run,
then pick the OS that will run them.

BTW, the first personal computer was 1975, that's when Ed Roberts
introduced the Altair 8800 and coined the term "Personal Computer", no
personal computer existed prior to that because the term didn't exist
prior to that, so we've had "personal computing" for 36 years, no
more, no less.

No offence to Dr. Ed Roberts, but have you even seen the Altair 8800? I
was building my own computers back then that were far better. I never
got the idea to sell them though like Ed, Steve Jobs, etc. did though.
Nor did I ever think about having my schematics published in a major
magazine like Ed did either. I just did it because it was fun to do in
my spare time. Although I was an electronic engineer building secret
military hardware and what Ed, Steve, etc. were doing seemed like
child's play to me.

 

[thanatoid]

The thing is, though, that modern programmers program for
machines with minimum 3GB memory, vast HD space and dual
processors that operate at about 3GHtz. What was the
average Win98 hardware configuration? So your comparisons
are largely irrelevant. I guess it was the same with the
old Luddites smashing up mechanical weaving-looms; they
were trying to turn back time to some Garden-of-Eden
paradise that had existed only in their dreams.

AFAIAC, Luddites were heroes and had the right idea. Technology
will be, if not the end of this race, then the end of all
freedoms and pleasures in the world.

 

[Big Steel]

On 7/9/2011 3:51 PM, thanatoid wrote:

<snipped>
<not read>

Just go away.. Is it that hard for you to understand that no one wants
to be bothered with you?

 

[Antares 531]

I'm young. I graduated in 1958. I was too stupid to even understand the
word "computer".

Well, Russia's Sputnik 1 was launched October 4, 1957. I am sure the
Ruskies had some kind of computers associated with this project. We
were lagging a bit behind but caught up very quickly.

I was in the Army from Aug, 1954 to Aug, 1956 and assigned to the Nike
Missile Battalion Washington - Baltimore Defense Ring. We set up and
managed those Nike Missile launch systems with a very early phase
computer to control the whole system. One radar tracked the potential
target and another radar tracked the missile. The computer calculated
the guidance requirements and sent guidance and thrust control signals
to the missile, directing it to the intended target.

We never launched but one missile in the Washington - Baltimore area.
That one was accidentally fired by someone who messed up during a
training practice pseudo-launch. It was immediately diverted into a
hill side north of the highway that links Baltimore with Havre de
Grace, MD.

Those Nike system computers had a memory drum that rotated as a right
circular cylinder. It was about the size of a large coffee can and
could store only a miniscule amount of information, compared to
today's desktop computers. Gordon

 

[Ken Blake]

Well, Russia's Sputnik 1 was launched October 4, 1957. I am sure the
Ruskies had some kind of computers associated with this project. We
were lagging a bit behind but caught up very quickly.

I was in the Army from Aug, 1954 to Aug, 1956 and assigned to the Nike
Missile Battalion Washington - Baltimore Defense Ring. We set up and
managed those Nike Missile launch systems with a very early phase
computer to control the whole system. One radar tracked the potential
target and another radar tracked the missile. The computer calculated
the guidance requirements and sent guidance and thrust control signals
to the missile, directing it to the intended target.

We never launched but one missile in the Washington - Baltimore area.
That one was accidentally fired by someone who messed up during a
training practice pseudo-launch. It was immediately diverted into a
hill side north of the highway that links Baltimore with Havre de
Grace, MD.

Those Nike system computers had a memory drum that rotated as a right
circular cylinder. It was about the size of a large coffee can and
could store only a miniscule amount of information, compared to
today's desktop computers. Gordon

I started working with computers in 1962, as a programmer on an IBM
1402. *Everything* in those days was bigger, slower, bulkier, had less
capacity, etc.

 

[thanatoid]

On 7/9/2011 3:51 PM, thanatoid wrote:

<snipped>
<not read>

Just go away.. Is it that hard for you to understand that
no one wants to be bothered with you?

Read your NR manual, and look up "killfile", genius.

 

[BillW50]

In

Well, Russia's Sputnik 1 was launched October 4, 1957. I am sure the
Ruskies had some kind of computers associated with this project. We
were lagging a bit behind but caught up very quickly.

No, no, no! That was all a cover story. Sputnik was nothing but a box
with a tiny transmitter which transmitted beeps and nothing more. The US
was far more capable of doing far more, but feared what the world
community would say if the US had spy satellites cruising around the
globe. If the US did it first, they feared there would be an outcry and
have a total ban on any satellites.

So the US waited until the USSR launched theirs first (which was a
worthless do nothing satellite) and to see what would happen. Well I
guess the outcry wasn't a big deal, as the US now had the green light to
launch their own satellites. After all, if the USSR could get away with
it, so could the US.

 

[Big Steel]

On 7/9/2011 5:03 PM, thanatoid wrote:

<snipped>

You are acting like a troll with a lot of noise. Your head is 10 bricks
hard.

I'll let you have the last word.

See ya I wouldn't want to be yeah.

 

[Antares 531]

I started working with computers in 1962, as a programmer on an IBM
1402. *Everything* in those days was bigger, slower, bulkier, had less
capacity, etc.

I seem to remember the IBM computers we used were 6090s and 7090s.
It's been a while and my memory is a bit vague. I do remember that
those computer setups required a raised floor with hundreds of large
interconnecting cables under the raised floor. One computer would
require a very large room, and probably consumed more power than a
large office does, now. Gordon

 

[Ken Blake]

I seem to remember the IBM computers we used were 6090s and 7090s.
It's been a while and my memory is a bit vague.

The 7090 was a big machine in those days. But as far as I know, there
was never a 6090.

I do remember that
those computer setups required a raised floor with hundreds of large
interconnecting cables under the raised floor. One computer would
require a very large room, and probably consumed more power than a
large office does, now. Gordon

Yes, mainframes all had raised floors, with AC under them. They
probably still do, although I haven't been in a big data center for
almost 20 years now.