Windows Essentials

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Bob Hatch

My computer is currently set up with Norton Internet Security 2011,
with the latest on-line updates. This computer is running Microsoft
Windows 7, with the latest on-line automatic updates.

I've noticed frequent slow-down problems and I'm wondering if this
could be caused by Norton as it runs background scans, etc. Also, this
computer is very slow in coming out of hibernation or going through a
re-boot process.

I have an abundance of unused hard drive space, and RAM. I don't think
this is the source of the problems.

A friend of mine had the same problem and ended up removing Norton and
replacing it with Windows Essentials. Can anyone here provide me with
some further insights into this? Should I consider removing Norton and
replacing it with Windows Essentials? Is Windows Essentials already
installed as a part of my Windows 7 OS but perhaps inactivated or
otherwise suppressed?

Thanks, Gordon
Coming late to the conversation I'll add my 2 cents worth.

I've moved every computer that I work with to Microsoft Security
Essentials. That means 3 of my own plus XP Mode on my desktop as well as
8 others owned by friends. I moved away from Norton years ago, and would
not put any Norton product on a computer of someone I didn't like. It's
a resource hog and there are many other AV programs that, IMO, are better.

I used AVG for several years and the program got to be the same way,
resource hog and when the free version was installed it kept bugging the
user to upgrade to the paid version.

MSE is the way to go, at least for now.

--
I respect that you have an opinion. Don't confuse that
respect with really giving a crap what it is.
"Anon"
http://www.bobhatch.com
http://www.tdsrvresort.com
 
B

Big Steel

Like someone write some time ago in another group, using MS
products for security is like hiring a pedophile to work in a
day care center.
Sorry ass troll, they should have strangled your sorry nym shifting ass
with your own placenta at birth and tossed you in the dumpster.

Is this your best troll-a-rama ? You are what you are/

Spit in your face and swing upside your head with a brick you sick
bastard. :)

<VBG>
 
J

Jeff Layman

I love that utility. It gives you quite a complete picture of what's
happening when you boot up, although I'm sure there are still some
processes that are invisible, based on the fact that newer versions of
Autoruns tend to show things it missed before.

I do think you need to be careful, though. You can easily disable or
delete important system processes that could interfere with normal
operation, maybe even keep Windows from starting. You can look, but
best to not touch stuff you're not sure of.
You're not wrong there. I unchecked a number of processes which were I
thought were just pre-installed crapware on this HP laptop. Next time
round it failed to boot. Fortunately "Last known good" restored the
situation.

I now don't worry about a few seconds extra boot time.
 
A

arnold

Microsoft Security Essentials? Yes, it's very good.




It's *much* better than Norton, which is one of the poorest choices
available, despite its popularity.




AVG used to be one of the better choices. It no longer is.




Yes, free, but not worth the money. <g> Microsoft Security Essentials,
Avast, and Avira are all also free, and all better than AVG.
O.K. I just installed MSE and deleted AVG. Thanks.
 
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Antares 531

My computer is currently set up with Norton Internet Security 2011,
with the latest on-line updates. This computer is running Microsoft
Windows 7, with the latest on-line automatic updates.

I've noticed frequent slow-down problems and I'm wondering if this
could be caused by Norton as it runs background scans, etc. Also, this
computer is very slow in coming out of hibernation or going through a
re-boot process.

I have an abundance of unused hard drive space, and RAM. I don't think
this is the source of the problems.

A friend of mine had the same problem and ended up removing Norton and
replacing it with Windows Essentials. Can anyone here provide me with
some further insights into this? Should I consider removing Norton and
replacing it with Windows Essentials? Is Windows Essentials already
installed as a part of my Windows 7 OS but perhaps inactivated or
otherwise suppressed?

Thanks, Gordon
Thanks to all who contributed. I downloaded the Norton and McAfee
removal tools and the Microsoft Security Essentials software, then
went through the recommended process.

Didn't find any trace of McAfee on my computer. I guess I had done a
complete removal at the time I replaced it with Norton, some two or
three years ago.

The Norton Removal Tool went very well and after re-booting I
installed Windows Security Essentials. It seems to be working very
well and I have not yet noticed any of those irritating stall-outs
that used to hold everything in a locked state for ten seconds or so
while it did something in the background...who knows what?

I'll keep you posted as to any future developments.

Thanks, again, Gordon
 
T

thanatoid

Sorry ass troll, they should have strangled your sorry nym
shifting ass
I am neither a troll nor a nym-shifter, but I realize when you
have no valid criticism, these accusations are often used
instead.
with your own placenta at birth and tossed you
in the dumpster.
For unrelated reasons, I could not agree more. Too late now,
though, isn't it?
Is this your best troll-a-rama ? You are what you are/
I just expressed my opinion of MS "security products".
Spit in your face and swing upside your head with a brick
you sick bastard. :)
I have better ways of achieving similar results, not that I even
understand the 2nd part.
Make sure you're looking in the mirror.
 
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Antares 531

My computer is currently set up with Norton Internet Security 2011,
with the latest on-line updates. This computer is running Microsoft
Windows 7, with the latest on-line automatic updates.

I've noticed frequent slow-down problems and I'm wondering if this
could be caused by Norton as it runs background scans, etc. Also, this
computer is very slow in coming out of hibernation or going through a
re-boot process.

I have an abundance of unused hard drive space, and RAM. I don't think
this is the source of the problems.

A friend of mine had the same problem and ended up removing Norton and
replacing it with Windows Essentials. Can anyone here provide me with
some further insights into this? Should I consider removing Norton and
replacing it with Windows Essentials? Is Windows Essentials already
installed as a part of my Windows 7 OS but perhaps inactivated or
otherwise suppressed?

Thanks, Gordon
This has worked so very well on my desktop computer. I would really
like to do the same change to my laptop.....but it is an older HP
Compaq Presario C500 with Vista Home Basic as the OS.

Since this is a Windows 7 newsgroup, I need to locate a similar
newsgroup for Vista. I am not very willing to upgrade this laptop from
Vista to Win 7 because I like the Windows Mail client that came with
this Vista OS. I DO NOT like the Windows Live mail client that comes
with Win 7.

Is there any possibility that I could upgrade to Win 7 and keep
Windows Mail on this laptop computer?

I tried installing the Windows Security Essentials download on this
Vista laptop but it balked because Vista is not compatible. Is there
perhaps a similar Microsoft Essentials type software that is
compatible with my Vista laptop?

Gordon
 
X

XS11E

Antares 531 said:
Since this is a Windows 7 newsgroup, I need to locate a similar
newsgroup for Vista. I am not very willing to upgrade this laptop
from Vista to Win 7 because I like the Windows Mail client that
came with this Vista OS. I DO NOT like the Windows Live mail
client that comes with Win 7.

Is there any possibility that I could upgrade to Win 7 and keep
Windows Mail on this laptop computer?
Of course, Google will show you how or... you could get an email
client and a newsreader that are much superior to Windows Mail.
I tried installing the Windows Security Essentials download on
this Vista laptop but it balked because Vista is not compatible.
It should be compatible, don't know what went wrong but I ran MSEE
on Vista with no problems.

Check here:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/SystemRequirements.aspx
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

... they should have strangled your sorry nym shifting ass
[other vituperation excised]

thanatoid has been posting under that nym for years that I know about.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

This has worked so very well on my desktop computer. I would really
like to do the same change to my laptop.....but it is an older HP
Compaq Presario C500 with Vista Home Basic as the OS.

Since this is a Windows 7 newsgroup, I need to locate a similar
newsgroup for Vista. I am not very willing to upgrade this laptop from
Vista to Win 7 because I like the Windows Mail client that came with
this Vista OS. I DO NOT like the Windows Live mail client that comes
with Win 7.

Is there any possibility that I could upgrade to Win 7 and keep
Windows Mail on this laptop computer?

I tried installing the Windows Security Essentials download on this
Vista laptop but it balked because Vista is not compatible. Is there
perhaps a similar Microsoft Essentials type software that is
compatible with my Vista laptop?

Gordon
On the Microsoft website, MSE exists in several versions, and IIRC,
there are 32-bit and 64-bit variants. So just be sure to download the
correct one.
 
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Antares 531

On the Microsoft website, MSE exists in several versions, and IIRC,
there are 32-bit and 64-bit variants. So just be sure to download the
correct one.
Thanks, Gene, that was the problem. I had downloaded the 64 bit
version and was trying to install it on my 32 bit laptop. The real
problem is, I have an 8 bit brain at the top of my spinal column, and
it just doesn't work at the 32 or 64 bit level.

I downloaded the 32 bit version and all went well. Seems to be
working fine.

Gordon
 
B

Big Steel

... they should have strangled your sorry nym shifting ass
[other vituperation excised]

thanatoid has been posting under that nym for years that I know about.
I have never seen that clown using a word like 'pedophile' so I assumed
it was a nym shifting troll. It's prime meat to be impersonated. Why the
clown is here is a mystery? It's not using Win 7 or any NT based O/S,
and it can't help anyone. He's strictly low-tech using Win 9.x here for
no other reason but to troll.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Thanks, Gene, that was the problem. I had downloaded the 64 bit
version and was trying to install it on my 32 bit laptop. The real
problem is, I have an 8 bit brain at the top of my spinal column, and
it just doesn't work at the 32 or 64 bit level.

I downloaded the 32 bit version and all went well. Seems to be
working fine.

Gordon
I like your 8-bit brain metaphor!

Maybe I'll steal it from you :)
 
T

thanatoid

On 7/7/2011 10:41 PM, thanatoid wrote:


Like someone write some time ago in another group, using
MS products for security is like hiring a pedophile to
work in a day care center.
... they should have strangled your sorry nym shifting
ass
[other vituperation excised]

thanatoid has been posting under that nym for years that I
know about.
I have never seen that clown using a word like 'pedophile'
Just because a new word has never been used by someone is a
rather peculiar reason to assume it is someone else writing.
Onomatopoeia. How's that? Still thanatoid? Booger ? Wheelbarrow?

I like that phrase. It brings unpleasant associations, since
child abuse is disturbing, but it is a good comparison. Most
people with a clue believe that starting with XP, MS have done a
fair bit of spying on its users, and most also know that MS
often does not bother fixing mistakes and holes in its OS and
"browser" unless it is forced to by /other people/ discovering
them and announcing their findings. So I happen to think that
"MS security software" is an oxymoron.
so I assumed it was a nym shifting troll. It's prime meat
to be impersonated.
What the hell does THAT mean?
Why the clown is here is a mystery?
Since that sentence is statement, not a question, it should not
end with a question mark. Had you said "why are you here,
clown", a q. mark would have been appropriate.
It's not using Win 7 or any NT based O/S, and it can't help
anyone.
You have a point, and I have wondered why no one has questioned
this before. (I have noticed that almost all of my
advice/comments are totally ignored, and probably with good
reason.)

The reason I /did/ start coming here - as I believe I explained
once or twice before - was to hear from actual /users/ whether
Win7 was really the dog's gift to the world that all the rave
reviews have been saying it is.

And I have learned here that it seems to be more of the usual
"invent 500 MB's of ways to hide our mistakes rather than just
fix them". IOW, the usual MS approach. Also, a lot of idiotic
changes appear to have been made for no valid reason. More of
the same, again.

Many of you know Vista was 6.0 and Win7 is really 6.1. And it
seems the .1 is the addition of an army of brooms to sweep the
dirt under the carpet. The way it's going, I don't think MS is
/ever/ going to get it right. How long before Windows 19? Don't
people have ANYTHING better to do than to stand in line all
night long to be the first in their neighborhood to own another
piece of MS crapware?

Rather than piling on more crap (I read somewhere that there is
still code from the 80's in Vista - and possibly Win7), MS
should just start from scratch, since the argument of "everybody
needs the programs they already have" does not hold water. MS
force people to buy new software more than anyone else.

When I suggest a program that is more than a few years old, as I
often do, I am laughed at. But my 8-15 year old programs are a
lot smaller, faster, and more bug-free then the new versions
everyone constantly churns out. Bloat it up, mess it up, give it
a new version number, a shiny new package, and the sheep WILL
buy it. The latest version of Acronis for home is a 168MB
/download/ !!! - my version from 2001 is under 10MB /installed/,
and it has never given me any trouble. Just ONE example.

98SE Lite is the most acceptable MS OS that I have used - the
only ones I have **zero** experience with are Win7, the original
NT (3.51 or something), Me and 2000, which all lasted a
relatively short time and had little impact. I /have/ used XP
and it drives me insane, and Vista, which I have spent about 50
hours with, is far worse, as everyone knows. And It does not
seem that Win7 is much better after all. But not to worry -
apparently Windows 8 is just around the corner.

It constantly amazes me that the two OS's most people consider
the best (Mac and Linux) are based on 30+ year old Unix - AFAIK.

One would think /someone/ could come up with a decent OS in
nearly half a century of "personal computing". But I suppose it
doesn't really matter since within a few years desktop computers
will be a rarity in the home - iPads and the like will have
taken over completely.
He's strictly low-tech using Win 9.x here for no other reason
but to troll.

My 98SEL computer probably runs faster and better than whatever
you have, so don't call it low-tech. There have been few really
significant improvements to the technology, except making
everything faster but also so much more bloated that the
/actual/ speed of the computing experience remains about the
same.

Few truly original programs (excepting those involving
completely new technology) have been written in the last 10
years, and many worthwhile older programs have disappeared or
been bought out and/or killed off by more powerful competition
pushing their inferior product. It's quite an ugly situation,
really.

And again, I'm not trolling. Even I have better things to do.
 
N

Nil

And again, I'm not trolling. Even I have better things to do.
Then please go do them. Your bitterness, and constant whining is
tedious and boring.
 
S

soup

One would think /someone/ could come up with a decent OS in
nearly half a century of "personal computing".
Eh? The year I left school (1979) their was ONE computer for all the
secondary schools in the Edinburgh LEA area (and no it wasn't just a
backward area). The first DOSes (not DOS that was a mainframe operating
system) ) could be said to have been 1981, home computers weren't
popular till of 1995. So 15 years or 29 (depending on when you think
O/Ses happened for personal computing) hardly half a century.
 
B

Big Steel

On 7/8/2011 11:59 PM, thanatoid wrote:

And again, I'm not trolling. Even I have better things to do.
Really man, go away. You can go back to 24hoursupport.helpdesk if all
you are going to do is come here bash, whine and bitch. I could care
less about your take on things and your bitching. I am not interested in
what you have to bitch about. be a man and go bitch to your wife,
girlfriend or your mother. Be a man and go somewhere else with the bitch.
 

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