Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7?

[Valorie *~]

It could depend on whether you're talking about the default W-7
"default programs control panel" or whether you installed a
third-party tweakware from the interwebs. It's usually right
there in the start button's pop-up lists; but it might be under
"all programs" if you've been redecorating the start menu file.

HTH.

No tweaks were installed. Just to let you know, only programs are on the
start button's pop-up list. Nothing there called "default programs control
panel."

 

[Valorie *~]

I don't use giganews.com and WLM. You're replying to a troll, a frogger.
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[Sunny]

I don't use giganews.com and WLM. You're replying to a troll, a
frogger.

Frogger? :
Frogger," the classic computer game that tests players 'abilities to move
a frog across a busy road - without getting squashed.

 

[Big Steel]

Frogger? :
Frogger," the classic computer game that tests players 'abilities to move
a frog across a busy road - without getting squashed.

Impersonator......

 

[G. Morgan]

I don't use giganews.com and WLM. You're replying to a troll,

Well then, why don't you do as I suggested and use a REAL and VALID email
address in your "From:" field?

It does not have to be your primary email address. Just goto Gmail, Yahoo,
Hotmail... whatever, and get one specifically for this purpose (Usenet).

That way, if your email address is for instance "(e-mail address removed)" and
someone uses your REAL email address to impersonate you....

..... you can file a complaint with the imposter's Usenet provider and most
likely their account will be shut down. Impersonation is against all of the
Usenet providers terms of service that I know of.

The way you have it set up now: "Valorie *~" <[email protected]>" ....

..... is not something you can claim as your own, therefore no impersonation took
place (technically).

You have to file the complaint via the email address that was "impersonated",
and your email address is obviously not "(e-mail address removed)".

Do you understand the concept now?

a frogger.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69a5ab7f.news.astraweb.com

A frogger? What, a Frenchman?

 

[Stan Brown]

The way you have it set up now: "Valorie *~" <[email protected]>" ....

.... is not something you can claim as your own, therefore no impersonation took
place (technically).

However, it *is* truth in advertising. If any poster here is
invalid, it's that guy.

 

[NormanM]

The way you have it set up now: "Valorie *~" <[email protected]>" ....

.... is not something you can claim as your own, therefore no impersonation took
place (technically).

You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid'
email address is impersonating me? Think again!

 

[G. Morgan]

You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid'
email address is impersonating me? Think again!

Read it again. I said technically no forgery took place, since no one owns the
non-existent ".invalid" TLD.

 

[NormanM]

Read it again. I said technically no forgery took place, since no one owns the
non-existent ".invalid" TLD.

Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the
posting email address. And I do own the domain which is part of that
signature in my posts, so even though I use a posting email address in the
'.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me.

 

[G. Morgan]

You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid'
email address is impersonating me? Think again!

Whooooosh!!

I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.

I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?

 

[NormanM]

Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the
posting email address.

Yes, but the only one that is 'confirmable' which is also 'user-supplied', is
the email address. It's the only way an NSP (News Service Provider) can
identify the owner of the email address.

And I do own the domain which is part of that
signature in my posts,

There is no domain in your sig. Even if there was, it does not count.

so even though I use a posting email address in the
'.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me.

(e-mail address removed)

How are you going to send an email complaint to the NSP using the above email
address? You can't. It does not exist.

The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.

I think I'll post as you this time.

 

[NormanM]

Yes, but the only one that is 'confirmable' which is also 'user-supplied', is
the email address. It's the only way an NSP (News Service Provider) can
identify the owner of the email address.

Seriously? Says the guy who posted this message:

There is no domain in your sig. Even if there was, it does not count.

You are following up to a post where the reply would go to:

<[email protected]>

You could have used that in your forgery, if you had known; but you no more
have the right to use any part of the 'aosake.net' domain than you have to
use somebody else's '@gmail.com' email address. And, if I wished to press
your forgery with the folks at 'Eternal-September' abuse, I suspect I could
get your account suspended for using it.

(e-mail address removed)

How are you going to send an email complaint to the NSP using the above email
address? You can't. It does not exist.

Your Message-ID is wrong, and you left off the Reply-To: email address. You
are, nevertheless, using my nym.

The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.

I think I'll post as you this time.

I suspect that using my nym without using the supporting signs would count.
Should I notify the Eternal-September abuse department? Hmmm. Reminds me
that I should change my client reporting in my Message-ID.

 

[NormanM]

Whooooosh!!

I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.

I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?

Well, by God, there is nothing personally mine in any GD post that I did not
make. So I guess I can't prove a forgery even if you do include "my" email
address!

 

[NormanM]

I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.

I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?

Concede ...

But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't
actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even
domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service
which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.

 

[G. Morgan]

Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the
posting email address.

Assuming you are referring to a data set, and not the actual Usenet term

And I do own the domain which is part of that
signature in my posts, so even though I use a posting email address in the
'.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me.

If you mean this:
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no
..com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid.

The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as
you call it are:

Organization: Yu-ya
Keywords: TENKODAA
X-Host: kozue.aosake.net

The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-<anything>, are easily set on the
newsreader end to display anything you want.

I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the
terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an
(x)-field. If you use an email address like (e-mail address removed) in your
"From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way.

You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid
email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally
'sign' your posts with PGP.

 

[NormanM]

The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.
Concede.

I think I'll post as you this time.

Fair enough. But I think I fixed you. This time.

 

[Tester]

but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.

You OWN the domain for life (provided you continue renewing it whenever
the renewal is due) and nobody can take it away from you unless somebody
can claim that you are in breach of trademark. In majority of cases
this is not a problem.

I can give you a link to UK case law which may or may not apply in your
country but have a go here:

<http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/caselaw/>

hth

 

[NormanM]

If you mean this:
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no
.com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid.

Actually, I had set another newsreader identity to my domain; forgot that
this one wasn't so set.

The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as
you call it are:

Organization: Yu-ya
Keywords: TENKODAA
X-Host: kozue.aosake.net

The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-<anything>, are easily set on the
newsreader end to display anything you want.

Most newsreaders, yes.

I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the
terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an
(x)-field. If you use an email address like (e-mail address removed) in your
"From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way.

I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well. But I
find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user
configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited.

You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid
email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally
'sign' your posts with PGP.

So far, no serious problem. But after reconsidering, I have made a few
changes.

 

[G. Morgan]

Concede ...

But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't
actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even
domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service
which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.

As long as you "have control" of the email address. I shouldn't have used the
term "own", because you don't need to necessarily "own" the domain. If you used
Gmail, Hotmail, Y!mail... it just as good. You control that email address so no
one else is allowed to use it in an attempt to impersonate you. News Providers
will drop a clown doing that in a second.

 

[G. Morgan]

I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well.

I see the changes you made, nice job.

But I find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user
configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited.

You may be able to claim copy-write violations if your domain name is used in a
way that's not considered "fair use". Or if someone is deliberately using it
for fraud or illegal activity.

Simply placing your domain name somewhere in the headers is not against the
rules. It's akin to posting a link.

Check my headers. One may be considered a compliment, the other an insult, but
neither a violation.