G
Gene E. Bloch
Asking for technical advice is not the same as saying "Persuade me".
G
Gene E. Bloch
You might wonder whether the advice meant "Try to get an alternate view;
things may not be all that one-sided".
I didn't see the arrogance that you found. I saw a bit of objectivity,
which you might consider trying on for size.
BTW, I am not an apologist for W8 - I have barely used it. But I *am*
reserving judgment until I *do* use it some more.
B
BillW50
In Ashton Crusher typed:
which only does full screen Apps.
True for some versions of Windows 8. Although there is also Windows 8 RT
which only does full screen Apps.
B
BillW50
In Ashton Crusher typed:
which only does full screen Apps.
True for some versions of Windows 8. Although there is also Windows 8 RT
which only does full screen Apps.
S
Scott
TBH I was not really inviting persuasion. I was throwing down the
gauntlet to see whether those who dismissed the advice I received
could argue their corner. So far as I can see they cannot.
S
Scott
I interpreted 'try another shop' and '+1' as a dismissal. Maybe it
was a neutral comment.
However, what is bizarre is that I made a critical comment about W8
and various people jumped down my throat. I challenged them for
evidence in support of W8 and they jumped down my throat again. What
sort of discussion group is this?
M
mechanic
I understood that, but we are not really in the 'persuasion'
business; at best we can offer possible solutions to problems,
evaluation is up to you. MSFT publish lists of features on their
websites showing the changes in Win8, many of which may be
irrelevant to some users. Personally on my home setup the cheap
download of the win8 upgrade was a useful way of getting out of the
XP dead-end, and it looks prettier too!
B
BillW50
In Scott typed:
developers to create just Metro Apps. And the days of the classic
Windows Desktop are now numbered. And people have a choice to make,
either to keep up or to be left behind. Hey I am not happy about it
either, but that is the way it is.
What are you talking about Scott? Like it or not, Microsoft is forcing
developers to create just Metro Apps. And the days of the classic
Windows Desktop are now numbered. And people have a choice to make,
either to keep up or to be left behind. Hey I am not happy about it
either, but that is the way it is.
Z
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Except for Office and all of the other built-in applications on the
Windows Desktop. But as far as apps you can install, that is the case.
Z
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Actually, there's a proposed fix for that.
A Metro application only takes over the primary monitor.
Plug in two monitors, then run a desktop app, then start a
Metro app. What's supposed to happen, is the two screens
behave a bit different. And you may be able to arrange things
so you can see both.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/wi...age-with-windows-8-and-multiple-monitors/6285
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11097508/dual-screen-metro-app
Paul[/QUOTE]
Metro will only run on one screen at a time, so as long as you want
multiple desktop apps, or one Metro screen (with one app or two in the
70/30 configuration) and one desktop screen, then you are good to go.
But at the moment, there is no way to get more than one full screen
Metro app running at the same time no matter how many displays you
have.
--
Zaphod
"So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
- Arthur Dent
C
Char Jackson
In some circles, "Persuade me" sounds like an explicit invitation.
I think you misunderstood "their corner". I dismissed the shop's
advice because you said it was based on 20 minutes worth of 'testing'.
My dismissal says nothing about Windows 8; indeed, I have almost no
experience with it. Instead, I'm dismissing the silly shop for their
silly advice. I still say, find a new shop.
Z
Zaphod Beeblebrox
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:17:39 +0000, "Scott"
using is not giving an objective opinion. If they formed their opinion
after 20 minutes and their response was to remove it from the machine,
then they haven't given it a fair go. It is not possible to do so after
only 20 minutes.
The interesting part is that I actually agree with their assessment as
it pertains to desktop / laptop usage of Windows 8. There isn't much
to recommend it in my opinion (formed after months of use) and the
first thing I would do with a Windows 8 desktop / laptop is to push The
Interface Formerly Known as Metro (TIFKAM) as far into the background
as I can because it does not suit my usage. However, I can give
reasons for my opinion, and can show both sides of the picture because
I have spent time with it. They have not, and cannot, because they
wiped it after 20 minutes.
groups if you think this one is bad / opinionated.
+1 meant I agree, you should try another shop because the one you are
using is not giving an objective opinion. If they formed their opinion
after 20 minutes and their response was to remove it from the machine,
then they haven't given it a fair go. It is not possible to do so after
only 20 minutes.
The interesting part is that I actually agree with their assessment as
it pertains to desktop / laptop usage of Windows 8. There isn't much
to recommend it in my opinion (formed after months of use) and the
first thing I would do with a Windows 8 desktop / laptop is to push The
Interface Formerly Known as Metro (TIFKAM) as far into the background
as I can because it does not suit my usage. However, I can give
reasons for my opinion, and can show both sides of the picture because
I have spent time with it. They have not, and cannot, because they
wiped it after 20 minutes.
Welcome to the alt.* hierarchy. you should try one of the advocacy
groups if you think this one is bad / opinionated.
P
Paul
Metro will only run on one screen at a time, so as long as you wantZaphod said:
multiple desktop apps, or one Metro screen (with one app or two in the
70/30 configuration) and one desktop screen, then you are good to go.
But at the moment, there is no way to get more than one full screen
Metro app running at the same time no matter how many displays you
have.
[/QUOTE]
The idea would be to do a Metro app in the primary screen,
and a desktop app in the secondary screen. Like, looking at
stock quotes or your Facebook page, in the secondary screen,
while doing your "day job" in the primary screen. Your
stock quotes or Facebook page would be in a desktop browser.
I did not expect two Metro apps to run side by side. If
two screens could do that for you, then it would have been
dead easy for Microsoft to support multiple Metro apps in
a single screen. The two screen thing, is simply taking
advantage of lazy implementation on Microsoft's part.
If they wanted to "single thread" users, as they stated
in some blog post, they could have set up all the
screens (primary and secondary), to the "one app only" rule.
It just looks like they got lazy. At least it offers an
incentive for Windows 8 users to own more than
one LCD monitor.
Paul
G
Gene E. Bloch
+1 (or more)
+1 (or more)
I'd also distinguish between "cannot" and "won't bother"
P
Paul
"I went into my computer shop this afternoon. They told me W8 was anScott said:
appalling pile of junk that after 20 minutes of testing they removed
from the machine."
The premise is a bit open-ended. The information is second hand.
Why would a response be required ?
"What sort of discussion group is this?"
The best kind.
There have been three preview copies of Win8 offered for download,
over the last year. Using one of those, you can review the product
and provide first-hand feedback. And based on your substantive
input, we can reply with what we've seen, and whether we liked it.
That could be our discussion.
I didn't buy a copy of Windows 8. That's my feedback.
"My computer shop tested the New Coke. They didn't like it".
Well, what can I say ? I'm speechless.
Paul
S
Scott
But taken in context it was a response to the apparent dismissal of a
negative view. Maybe a whole paragraph would have been clearer than
using shorthand.
'There is a view that Windows 8 is a pile of junk. You appear to
disagree with this view. Do you have an argument to advance that
Windows 8 is not a pile of junk?'
Actually, I was more or less following that principle. Instead of
finding a new shop, I thought I would solicit views here. Frankly I
am surprised that people are not keen to say what is good and bad
about Windows 8 (maybe because it is a Windows 7 newgroup of course)
as my experience of other newsgroups is that people are usually very
keen to express opinions.
I accept that the consensus appears to be that I should evaluate it
for myself and not ask for advice from others.
My view is that I have read enough in computer magazines and on the
Microsoft website to decide that I will not go down the Windows 8
route. I will continue to use Windows 7 until it is no longer
supported or until Windows 8 is replaced by a product that offers
clear benefits to me.
B
BillW50
Oh man! Nobody said anything exciting about Windows 8? I sure the hell
did! Who are you kidding? Most of my 20 computers are running Windows
XP. Before Windows 7 came out, I preordered a bunch of copies. Most of
them are still up on the shelf still sealed. Neat? Yes, but not neat
enough to switch all of my XP to Windows 7.
I've been running Windows 8 since March with the CP version. Truthfully,
most of that time I spent on the desktop. Played around on the MetroUI
side a little, but nothing much. But then Windows 8 was released and I
bought it. Now I was spending more time on the MetroUI side.
And I got to tell you that Windows 8 is so much better than Windows 7. I
don't like Windows 7 at all now. Not only does Windows 8 does the
desktop better than Windows 7, but it has the whole MetroUI side too.
Even that Weather App gives far more information than I ever saw from
any webpage. And it is gorgeous on top of it.
Now if you think there is no reason to upgrade to Windows 8, it is clear
you are not listening. After all, you haven't up to this point anyway.
Maybe you don't like when things gets better, but I do. ;-)
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message <[email protected]>, Paul <[email protected]>
writes:
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videos, some quite long.
writes:
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Care to give a link? I typed in "dad tr" and got quite a lot of such
videos, some quite long.
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
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connection cost: on dialup, the constant knowledge that all the time
you're on it's costing you money prevents a newbie (especially an older
person) getting over the hurdle of getting used enough to it to get real
benefit out of it, and so much of the web is now virtually unusable on
dialup anyway; and broadband, in the UK at least, requires financial
commitment that a person not into it is reluctant to give, viz. either
the connection charge up front or a commitment to stay with the ISP for
12 or 18 months (for something they don't know if they'll use anyway).
Which is sad. I'd like to introduce more people to the internet.
writes:
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I find things somewhere in between. In addition, there's the internet
connection cost: on dialup, the constant knowledge that all the time
you're on it's costing you money prevents a newbie (especially an older
person) getting over the hurdle of getting used enough to it to get real
benefit out of it, and so much of the web is now virtually unusable on
dialup anyway; and broadband, in the UK at least, requires financial
commitment that a person not into it is reluctant to give, viz. either
the connection charge up front or a commitment to stay with the ISP for
12 or 18 months (for something they don't know if they'll use anyway).
Which is sad. I'd like to introduce more people to the internet.
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message <[email protected]>, Ashton Crusher
who have decided they don't like it see its default ways, and decide not
to like it, and really aren't pleased when you point out that it's
possible to get it to work in other ways. Such as TIFKAM versus ordinary
desktop.
I'm just observing from the sidelines, as an XP user (and, on the whole,
happy with that - and even that I have set so it looks rather like '9x).
It just amuses me how rapidly some people have made up their minds that
8 isn't for them.
No, you're not allowed to point out that 8 offers alternatives! Those
who have decided they don't like it see its default ways, and decide not
to like it, and really aren't pleased when you point out that it's
possible to get it to work in other ways. Such as TIFKAM versus ordinary
desktop.
I'm just observing from the sidelines, as an XP user (and, on the whole,
happy with that - and even that I have set so it looks rather like '9x).
It just amuses me how rapidly some people have made up their minds that
8 isn't for them.