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[BillW50]

Also alcoholic beverages, and I understand that American cars use metric
nuts& bolts, and have for years.

It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or
am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I
hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is
actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch?

 

[Wolf K]

On 9/15/2012 2:57 PM, Allen Drake wrote: [...]

Like the US was going to be metric by the year 1980. The only thing
that went that way are the soft drinks. You can't teach an American
cow to give liters.

Or anything other than milk.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or
am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I
hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is
actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch?

Imperial (Whitworth) is quite different from American (SAE).

One example: a 1/4" Whitworth wrench fits the nut that goes on a 1/4"
screw, which IIRC means about 7/16" SAE.

Meanwhile: a 13mm wrench isn't a bad fit for a 1/2" nut (I was just
doing that the other day). Too bad you had the opposite situation

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 9/15/2012 2:57 PM, Allen Drake wrote: [...]

Like the US was going to be metric by the year 1980. The only thing
that went that way are the soft drinks. You can't teach an American
cow to give liters.

Or anything other than milk.

Maybe. What about cow patties?

 

[Char Jackson]

It is still a mixed bag! Some parts are metric and some are American. Or
am I supposed to say Imperial? Anyway a mechanic needs to have both. I
hate that! You think the darn thing looks like a 1/2 inch and it is
actually a 13mm. How the hell can you see a 0.0118 difference of an inch?

By squinting.

 

[BillW50]

Imperial (Whitworth) is quite different from American (SAE).

Oh man! I like you Gene.

One example: a 1/4" Whitworth wrench fits the nut that goes on a 1/4"
screw, which IIRC means about 7/16" SAE.

Oh I really like you Gene.

Meanwhile: a 13mm wrench isn't a bad fit for a 1/2" nut (I was just
doing that the other day). Too bad you had the opposite situation

Oh gun shy I guess. Sure it was a bit sloppy. Sure I said close enough.
But it wouldn't move. Instead of doing the smart things like a little
WD-40, a little pounding, and some heat... I said I need a braker bar.
Oh sure the bar moved. Oh the horrors afterwards.

 

[XS11E]

I use Gmail.

If so, why are you worried about security? Gmail is the least secure
of all, every hacker in China has access to all your email and access
to Google's "security" methods and has for several years now.

NOTE: The Chinese government claims the hackers are rogue hackers, most
believe the hackers are actually the Chinese government. Since every
instance of hacked email (so far?) has been used by China against
dissenters you can draw your own conclusions.....

 

[BeeJ]

Those in the medical profession who choose to use email do have a
secure way of communication via email.

What I see is that my personal physician does not use any convenient
communications (phone call is secure???) method while the hospital I
use does.

They send an email saying I have a secure communication waiting for me
on a https server that i log into with user-name and password to
access.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

By squinting.

Finally a solution I can use. Thanks.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Oh man! I like you Gene.


Oh I really like you Gene.


Oh gun shy I guess. Sure it was a bit sloppy. Sure I said close enough.
But it wouldn't move. Instead of doing the smart things like a little
WD-40, a little pounding, and some heat... I said I need a braker bar.
Oh sure the bar moved. Oh the horrors afterwards.

I need to clarify for you.

13mm will fit on a 1/2" nut. I did that the other day.

1/2" won't fit on a 13mm nut. That seems to be what you said your
situation was.

1/2" is 12.7mm.

 

[charlie]

Finally a solution I can use. Thanks.

Trial and error works, as do some of the wrenches with non standard
mating surfaces. (I really don't know another way to describe them.)
They contact less of the nut or bolt head than a six sided, but have the
clearance to work with similar (but not identical) sizes.

 

[Char Jackson]

Finally a solution I can use. Thanks.

YW. Glad to help.

 

[Ken Springer]

There are fewer and fewer and fewer all the time. A couple of years
ago, I knew lots of people who didn't have an e-mail address. Today, I
don't know anyone.

And for the few that don't have it, spend the money now spent on post
offices, salaries, etc. by giving them inexpensive devices that can
get e-mail.

Char is absolutely right!

Ken Blake is making the assumption everyone has access to, and can
afford, the technology to have email.

The planet is not yet wired 100% to even have telephone service for the
individual much less the community, and less with access to the
internet, even by satellite.

Ken also assumes that someone who pays, maybe $7.50 a month in postage
is going to be happy paying $XX.00 per month for an ISP to send a few
emails.

For those that just automatically run to UPS and FedEx for shipping, and
you care about your cost of doing business, you should check out the
flat rate boxes and shipping at the PO. A lot of times, it can be
cheaper and more convenient, which is why my few eBay sales go USPS.
Cheaper for the buyer, a.k.a. your customer.

Both FedEx and UPS have agreements with the PO for delivery of small
packages. You pay the FedEx and UPS charges, and the package shows up
in your mailbox. Take away the post office, and what's going to happen
to those shipping charges?

I somehow thought that technology was supposed to lower your cost of
living, not raise it.

I don't know where Allen Drake does his mail, but the two post offices I
use both have trash cans.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 14.0.1
Thunderbird 15.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2

 

[Daniel47]

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:26:09 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

Nuts on screws!?!? Are you sure?? I would have thought nuts went on bolts!!

I need to clarify for you.

13mm will fit on a 1/2" nut. I did that the other day.

Yes, a 13mm spanner/wrench can fit a half inch nut.....just good enough
to "round" the nut so no spanner/wrench will undo it!!

1/2" won't fit on a 13mm nut. That seems to be what you said your
situation was.

1/2" is 12.7mm.

1/2" is 12.7mm.....approx!!

Daniel

 

[Ken Blake]

Char is absolutely right!

Ken Blake is making the assumption everyone has access to, and can
afford, the technology to have email.

No, not everyone. But most people. And of those that don't they are
likely either homeless or living in third-world countries and don't
have access to postal mail either.

The planet is not yet wired 100% to even have telephone service for the
individual much less the community, and less with access to the
internet, even by satellite.

True, but such places are likely not to have postal service either.
And if the money spent on post offices, equipment, salaries, etc. were
used to get everyone e-mail access, the world would be a better place.

Ken also assumes that someone who pays, maybe $7.50 a month in postage
is going to be happy paying $XX.00 per month for an ISP to send a few
emails.

No, I don't. I would like to see free e-mail service available to
everyone. It's already starting to happen. You can already find free
WI-fir service in many libraries, coffee shops, airports, etc. And
some cities are starting to provide this. Eliminate the costs of
postal mail and do this instead.

For those that just automatically run to UPS and FedEx for shipping, and
you care about your cost of doing business, you should check out the
flat rate boxes and shipping at the PO. A lot of times, it can be
cheaper and more convenient, which is why my few eBay sales go USPS.
Cheaper for the buyer, a.k.a. your customer.

Both FedEx and UPS have agreements with the PO for delivery of small
packages. You pay the FedEx and UPS charges, and the package shows up
in your mailbox.

Not here it doesn't.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:58:54 -0600, Ken Springer
[snip]

The planet is not yet wired 100% to even have telephone service for the
individual much less the community, and less with access to the
internet, even by satellite.

True, but such places are likely not to have postal service either.
And if the money spent on post offices, equipment, salaries, etc. were
used to get everyone e-mail access, the world would be a better place.

Say what?

Postal service is easy compared with telephone service. Mail has
been getting delivered for centuries.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Ken Blake]

Nuts on screws!?!? Are you sure?? I would have thought nuts went on bolts!!

Note that "There is no universally accepted distinction between a
screw and a bolt" according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Trial and error works, as do some of the wrenches with non standard
mating surfaces. (I really don't know another way to describe them.)
They contact less of the nut or bolt head than a six sided, but have the
clearance to work with similar (but not identical) sizes.

I was referring to squinting

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Note that "There is no universally accepted distinction between a
screw and a bolt" according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw

I didn't even think the remark was worth replying to

So I thank you for clarifying the issue in spite of my grinchiness....

Or is it "grinchitude"? Anyway, thanks, as I said.

 

[Ken Springer]

Trial and error works, as do some of the wrenches with non standard
mating surfaces. (I really don't know another way to describe them.)
They contact less of the nut or bolt head than a six sided, but have the
clearance to work with similar (but not identical) sizes.

There's pluses and minuses to both. Six point tools allow for less
damage to the nuts and bolts, but requires more angular room to work with.

Quality of manufacture can also come into play. I once had a situation
where a Snap-On torque wrench couldn't do the job, but a Mac could.
Also, a Sears Craftsman wrench (contemporary manufacture, not the better
quality wrenches they used to make) would not work in the space
available, but a Snap-On would.

FWIW, it's *never* the smart move to use ill-fitting tools in the long run.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 14.0.1
Thunderbird 15.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 14.0.1
Thunderbird 15.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2