"Not Responding"

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Juan Wei

Paul has written on 7/1/2013 2:46 AM:
"Not responding" can easily occur, if you're stuck in a kernel call.
There would be no indication on the %CPU display, if that happens.
And AV programs are the sort of things, that screw around with *everything*.
Which is why removing them, is a start.

You can set up a kernel debugger, connect the PC via serial cable to
a second PC, and debug the machine that way. I've never done it,
and I doubt I'd be successful getting it to run in any case. It's
that ugly. I have a pretty poor record, getting debuggers to run.
The one in Visual Studio wasn't bad (that's an application level
debugger). At least I managed to single-step that one. At least
some of the free debuggers out there, they don't have good
docs for naive users like myself (GDB comes to mind).

The idea would be, if you got stuck in a kernel call for long enough,
you could go to the second PC, and see if the kernel debugger is
responding or not.
Thanks, Paul, but I guess I'll just wait them out.
 
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Ken Blake

Win 7. The 32-bit programs I use regularly are:

Evernote (background)
Everything (bg)
Fast Stone Capture (bg)
Kingsoft Office
Malwarebytes Antimalware (bg)
Firefox
Thunderbird
Opera
Stardock Fences (bg)
Maxthon browser
Slimbrowser

OT for this thread, but if I may ask, why do you use so many browsers
(Firefox, Opera, Maxthon, and SlimBrowser)? How do you decide which
browser is best for each web site you go to? In particular, I'd like
to know your thoughts about SlimBrowser (which is new to me); when do
you use it, and how do you decide to use it?
 
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Juan Wei

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 10:38 AM:
OT for this thread, but if I may ask, why do you use so many browsers
(Firefox, Opera, Maxthon, and SlimBrowser)? How do you decide which
browser is best for each web site you go to? In particular, I'd like
to know your thoughts about SlimBrowser (which is new to me); when do
you use it, and how do you decide to use it?
I like browsers. :) (You left out Chrome and IE.)

Well, FF is my historical browser, and I can put notes in the bookmarks.

Chrome is probably best.

The others are "interesting". In my usage, I don't really see much
difference.

I like to keep Words with Friends and Scrabble open in one browser and
then a "scrabble helper" in another so I can go back and forth via
Alt-Tab. :)

I tend to have lots of open tabs and SlimBrowser sees to have the
smallest virtual memory size.
 
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Ken Blake

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 10:38 AM:

I like browsers. :) (You left out Chrome and IE.)

Well, FF is my historical browser, and I can put notes in the bookmarks.

Chrome is probably best.

Not to me, it isn't. But that's OK; we don't have to have the same
preferences.

But what I don't understand is that if you think Chrome is the best,
why don't you use it all the time, to the exclusion of the others?
 
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Juan Wei

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 11:57 AM:
But what I don't understand is that if you think Chrome is the best,
why don't you use it all the time, to the exclusion of the others?
See above. Why should they be excluded? Actually, it's faster to shut
down a browser with a small number of open tabs than one with a large
number, so it seems to me that I am shutting down more quickly by having
tabs spread across several browsers.

Besides, if I had everything in one browser and had to restart it, it
could take a while.

And as I said, I like browsers. :)
 
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Ken Blake

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 11:57 AM:

See above. Why should they be excluded? Actually, it's faster to shut
down a browser with a small number of open tabs than one with a large
number, so it seems to me that I am shutting down more quickly by having
tabs spread across several browsers.
Several points:

1. I use my browser so often that I never shut it down.

2. A good browser lets you have multiple instances of it open at once.
I don't know about all of them, but Maxthon does. Again, why not use
just your favorite (with multiple open instances if you want) rather
than several?

3. If it's faster, it's at best slightly faster.

4. Every browser is different in part from all the others. If you run
several, it is very different to remember which one you are in, and
you will try to do something in one that doesn't work that way in that
one.

5. If you don't try to do something in one that doesn't work that way
in that one, you are undoubtedly not using all the best features of
each browser. As a single example, one of the things that makes
Maxthon so good is its mouse gestures. Either you don't use mouse
gestures or you keep trying unsuccessfully to use them in other
browsers.
Besides, if I had everything in one browser and had to restart it, it
could take a while.

And as I said, I like browsers. :)

Your choice, but as far as I'm concerned, it makes much more sense to
pick the one you like the best and use just that one.
 
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Juan Wei

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 2:44 PM:
Several points:

1. I use my browser so often that I never shut it down.
You never restart your computer? You never get a page that freezes?
2. A good browser lets you have multiple instances of it open at once.
I don't know about all of them, but Maxthon does. Again, why not use
just your favorite (with multiple open instances if you want) rather
than several?
I can't ditch FF. I'd lose too much info.
3. If it's faster, it's at best slightly faster.

4. Every browser is different in part from all the others. If you run
several, it is very different to remember which one you are in, and
you will try to do something in one that doesn't work that way in that
one.
No, I won't.
5. If you don't try to do something in one that doesn't work that way
in that one, you are undoubtedly not using all the best features of
each browser. As a single example, one of the things that makes
Maxthon so good is its mouse gestures. Either you don't use mouse
gestures or you keep trying unsuccessfully to use them in other
browsers.
I have no idea what mouse gestures are or why I'd want to use them.
Your choice, but as far as I'm concerned, it makes much more sense to
pick the one you like the best and use just that one.
It makes much more sense to you. :)
 
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Ken Blake

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 2:44 PM:

You never restart your computer?

Don't take the word "never" that literally. Almost never--perhaps once
a month or so.

You never get a page that freezes?

Again--almost never.

I can't ditch FF. I'd lose too much info.


No, I won't.


I have no idea what mouse gestures are or why I'd want to use them.

As I suspected. You use many browsers, but don't know the strong
points of each, and that's why you don't choose to use only the one
that works best for you.


It makes much more sense to you. :)

Have it you way. As far as I'm concerned, you're making a big mistake,
but I won't try any more to convince you of it.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Your choice, but as far as I'm concerned, it makes much more sense to
pick the one you like the best and use just that one.
One problem arises, though. Firefox in Windows isn't the same as Firefox
in Android...

True of others as well, for instance Chrome.

Luckily for me, I'm one of those people who don't make full use of the
browsers' features. Nonetheless, something as simple as making and later
using a bookmark can be bafflingly different on the two platforms.
 
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Juan Wei

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 5:19 PM:
Have it you way. As far as I'm concerned, you're making a big mistake,
but I won't try any more to convince you of it.
Thank you but aren't you going to tell me about mouse gestures?
 
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Stan Brown

I don't think it's a Windows problem.
When I double-click on my empty DVD drive icon with Windows explorer
the drive door slides open and a message box appears immediately saying:
" Please insert a disc into drive D:."
I have a laptop. Would you by chance have a desktop? DVD drive
handling is different in the two.

For example, ImgBurn can close a DVD tray on a desktop, but not on a
laptop.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I have a laptop. Would you by chance have a desktop? DVD drive
handling is different in the two.

For example, ImgBurn can close a DVD tray on a desktop, but not on a
laptop.
Does that relate in any way to the fact that the tray on a laptop drive
is not motorized? :)
 
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Ken Blake

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 5:19 PM:

Thank you but aren't you going to tell me about mouse gestures?

No. For two reasons:

1. Look at it yourself in Maxthon Settings. And in SlimBrowser too,
although there are far fewer gestures there.

2. I mentioned gestures only as an example of the point I was making.
Every browser has features not in the others, and many are very good.
If you use a product, but don't know and use them, you are missing out
on the product's strong points. Since you clearly don't know and use
these, you are missing out on all the strong points of each of them,
and that's why they are all the same to you. As I said, in my view you
are making a big mistake.
 
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Juan Wei

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 7:57 PM:
1. Look at it yourself in Maxthon Settings. And in SlimBrowser too,
although there are far fewer gestures there.
I looked in MAxthon settings. I have gestures enabled.

Some worked, some didn't. What does Mouse Gesture Right mean? How do I
do that?
 
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BobbyM

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 7:57 PM:

I looked in MAxthon settings. I have gestures enabled.

Some worked, some didn't. What does Mouse Gesture Right mean? How do I
do that?
I may be wrong but I think "mouse gesture" refers to what you'd do if
you are using a touchscreen.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I may be wrong but I think "mouse gesture" refers to what you'd do if
you are using a touchscreen.
You may indeed be wrong.

They are, after all, *mouse* gestures.
 
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Yousuf Khan

Bob I has written on 6/29/2013 4:09 PM:

Nope. And if I were, wouldn't it eat CPU cycles and show up in Process
Explorer?
I don't think there is a single AV software out there that will improve
the situation much, other than removing them completely.

The AV software doesn't show much CPU activity because it's actually
busy waiting on the disk activity. It also doesn't show much disk
activity in Resource Monitor because it's got sufficiently low-enough
priority that it doesn't actually occupy the disk. But these damn AV
software all intercept each and every single disk access call and
analyses them, but the AV aren't powerful enough to analyse the entire
disk activity stream in real-time (much like a local version of the
NSA), so it delays those programs doing large disk activity.

Try disabling real-time disk scanning in your AV, and you'll probably
find things have improved tremendously. But it's a brave man that will
attempt to run a Windows system without an AV installed at all.

Yousuf Khan
 
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Yousuf Khan

Ken Blake has written on 7/2/2013 11:57 AM:

See above. Why should they be excluded? Actually, it's faster to shut
down a browser with a small number of open tabs than one with a large
number, so it seems to me that I am shutting down more quickly by having
tabs spread across several browsers.

Besides, if I had everything in one browser and had to restart it, it
could take a while.

And as I said, I like browsers. :)
Isn't it a pain in the ass having to answer the question: "<XYZ> isn't
your default browser, would you like to make it your default?", all of
the time?

Yousuf Khan
 

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