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choro
Wot on earth is Windows Live Mail?
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choro
If you ask such questions, you are likely to be told to piss off!
Wot is rong with Tunderbirdie? Me likes it!
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Jim
I haven't tried Agent, so I'll check it tomorrow.
The font size for messages (the full email message) is adjustable in TB,
but not the font for the listings of new emails, to which I refer often.
The font is very small, and the lines are very close together, and
it's just not a pleasant tool for something I check several times a day.
I'm sorry that I'm not clear on the correct terminology (news reader,
news server, etc.) What I have is a subscription to Newscene, for which
I pay a small monthly fee. (I subscribed after my DSL service
(At&t/using Yahoo mail) told us last year that they would no longer
support NG access.) Incidentally, I plugged Newscene's name/address into
the appropriate section of Thunderbird, and was provided with access to
the newsgroups. But I can't figure out how to do it with Yahoo or
Microsoft mail live.
If that's the problem, does anyone have a suggestion for reconfiguring
WML correctly? Note that with the current configuration I can see the
"Newsgroups" selection (the term "Newsgroups") on the bottom of the left
column, but I can't go further and can't find any instructions from MS
re NG access. (I've also read notes from others about difficulties going
to newsgroups using the latest versions of Window Mail Live.) As noted
above, WLM works fine for incoming and outgoing email, and I can get on
the internet via FireFox or IE with no problems. I could be wrong, but
it seems that the "newsgroups" to which WML refers may actually be
discussion groups that Microsoft has set up rather than conventional
NMTP newsgroups.
Jim
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Jake
I've been quite happy with Gravity after many years with Xnews. The onlyJim <avocat5 said:
shortcoming I know of in Gravity is that archiving an article means
saving it somwhere as a text file that you have to name. I don't use
archiving enough to care but it's a pain.
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Char Jackson
Take a look here:
<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Font_settings_in_Thunderbird>
Are you referring to the "Thunderbird User Interface", toward the
bottom of the page, just above the "Bug Reports" section? If so, it
looks like the font can be adjusted by using a different theme. If
Thunderbird is like Firefox, there are probably enough themes
available to keep you busy a long time.
Yahoo doesn't have a newsreader that I know of, and I have never used
"Microsoft mail live" even if that means Windows Live Mail.
(Terminology matters!) Plenty of other people use Windows Live Mail
(WLM) version 14 and even the broken version 15 for Usenet access, so
I assume it's fairly straightforward. Having said that, WLM is among
the worst choices for newsreaders so hopefully you'll find something
else that you like.
NMTP should be NNTP...and no, it means the Usenet newsgroups. The
forums are web-based so you'd use a web browser to get there unless
you want to use one of the NNTP Bridge programs, but that's not what
you're looking for right now. Does WLM have a Help function? Check the
menu or press F1. Since you haven't configured it for Usenet access,
it makes sense that you can't access Usenet.
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Ken Blake
Like Char, I also use and like Agent (and I've tried most of the
others), but also like Char, I think you just choose what *you* like
best .
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Ken Blake
I'm not sure whether you're saying you weren't clear or you're still
not clear. But just in case you're still not clear, let me explain.
A newsreader is the program on your computer that you use to read and
write newsgroup messages.
A news server is a computer somewhere that you connect to and use your
newsreader to access and read messages on it and write messages to it.
In my view, the problems with Windows Live Mail are not configuration
issues. It's just a very poor newsreader.
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Bob Henson
True - and worst still, it is not the user that suffers, it's everyone thatKen said:
has to read the mangled mess it makes of the mail. That makes it slightly
different from the normal choice of newsreader, because consideration for
others should come into it too.
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Gene E. Bloch
I'll answer this part of the thread here
1. I can't find a way to change the fonts in Thunderbird's header pane.
I even went to their web site and searched.
2. OTOH, the font size is very normal. I have no idea why Jim can't read
it, unless he has some vision problems (but hey, my eyes aren't what
they used to be either, and as I said, I have no problem). Or maybe he
has a 10" screen with 1920x1200 resolution...
Well, that's a bit facetious, but in reality, if his screen is
relatively small and yet has a lot of pixels, that would make the type
pretty small.
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Char Jackson
This was the first hit for me in GoogleI'll answer this part of the thread here
1. I can't find a way to change the fonts in Thunderbird's header pane.
I even went to their web site and searched.
<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Font_settings_in_Thunderbird>
If I read it right, you can change that specific font by changing the
theme. As fixes go, is a different theme too drastic? I don't have
T'bird installed so I can't check for myself at the moment.
"Dunno", as my teen son used to always say.
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Stan Brown
Who?
Would you also prefer to open cans and chop vegetables with the same
tool?
Remember the proverb: "jack of all trades, master of none".
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Ken Blake
I don't see it quite the same way as you do. As far as I'm concerned,
there's no advantage to having one problem do both, but there's also
nothing wrong with having one program do both.
I think one should choose whatever e-mail program works best for him
and whatever newsreader works best for him. If those are two different
programs (as they are for me--Microsoft Outlook 2010 for mail and
FortÊ Agent 6.0 for newsgroups), fine. But if they are the same
program, that's also fine.
But I completely agree with you that the two functions being in the
same program should not be considered a factor in making the choices.
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Ed Cryer
On the other hand you don't want to have lots of different programs
doing a bit here and a bit there. Taken to its logical conclusion that
would create a mess.
It's been traditional to have mail and news together; right back to the
good old early days when OE was king of the roost.
I stick with Tbird for both. It does me fine, suits the way I work here
and I can see no need to change it. It causes me no problems, doesn't
hinder me in any way, and I can't see any improvement or benefit in
replacing it.
The good old days were when all the ISPs had news servers. People would
buy a computer, be hit with all the MS stuff on it, and be given Usenet
as *the* social networking technique. Oh how things have changed; and
that's why we old-timers are now the norm in these groups; all the
youngies are on Facebook and Twitter.
Ed
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Ken Blake
Then we have very different views on the subject. To me, having fewer
programs is not better than having more.
Traditional? Yes. Desirable? No. Not to me.
Then fine, you should stick with you use and like. Thunderbird
wouldn't be my choice, but I certainly won't try to talk you out of
what you like.
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Gene E. Bloch
That sounds good, but I don't like to deal with themes - see next
paragraph. Anyway, I searched the Mozilla help site and never even
thought about Googling
Changing a theme seems pretty indirect. You might have to try 493 themes
before you stumble on one that solves the given problem, whereas a
direct change of font size would be easier (if available).
I guess there might be something in Thunderbird's about:config, but it's
a huge file and AFAICT is not fully documented.
Anyway, for me it's not a problem, since I have no trouble with the
Thunderbird header pane font size, and never even guessed that it could
be troublesome.
G
Gene E. Bloch
Or create Unix
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Char Jackson
I wouldn't be surprised if it's either there, or in one of the config
files.
When I set up a new system, right after I install Firefox and make it
the default browser, I add my usual set of add-ons and that's when I
also change the theme (to Office 2003 Silver), so changing themes is
second nature to me. I agree, though, you might have to try a few, or
a lot, unless there's something in the description that tells you it
addresses this one aspect.
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Nil
I haven't been following this thread, but maybe the answer would be
found here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts
You can cusomize some of Thunderbird's visual elements, like UI fonts,
by using a customized userChrome.css file. I don't think there's one by
default, so you'd have to tweak an example or create your own.
I haven't tried it myself.
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Stan Brown
If there *were* a program that did an excellent job with both, I'd
agree with you. But every program I've ever tried that purported to
do both turned out to be an email program with newsgroups grafted on
and forced into the email paradigm, or vice versa.
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Stan Brown
Um, Ed, your "good old days" were after Usenet had been humming along
for a decade or so and em ail for even longer.