Newsgroups, Windows live mail

[Lewis]

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

It is the program provided by Microsoft.

 

[Lewis]

Why would congress care?

Because they get payola from the content cartel.

Sorry, I mean bribes.

No, wait, "Contributions."

 

[Lewis]

In message <[email protected]>

Yes, Macs had a few news groups eons ago........when my daughter got her
first Mac, I found them for her. But as she says, not much goes wrong
with a Mac, so don't need forums and the like.

There are Apple *related* newsgroups (comp.sys.mac.* mostly) but Apple
has never run their own servers or used the apple groups as any official
or even semi-official organ. MSFT did for amny years.

 

[Gordon]

MS really pulled a fast one by including
Live Essentials updates in Windows Update.

But it doesn't get installed automatically - you have to AGREE to it
dirst....

 

[Char Jackson]

I have no problem with that -- it's a matter of individual choice. I
was really alluding to your comment to Valorie, "I can't believe you
weren't able to find something you can live with." I personally
would be surprised if Valorie *did* find something s/he could live
with, in any context.

I'm ever the optimist.

 

[Char Jackson]

It is the program provided by Microsoft.

"Provided" might lead someone to believe that WLM comes with Windows
7. It does not. Windows 7 has no "standard email client." Someone has
to install one, whether it's the system builder or the end user, etc.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I have no problem with that -- it's a matter of individual choice. I
was really alluding to your comment to Valorie, "I can't believe you
weren't able to find something you can live with." I personally
would be surprised if Valorie *did* find something s/he could live
with, in any context.

Now why would you think that?

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

I don't think that because when I'm about to reinstall Windows I format
C: before reinstalling Windows.

Also when I sometimes dual boot Windows versions I can access my
programs on D: whichever version of Windows I boot up.


I find it an advantage when I reinstall Windows that all the programs I
have downloaded and installed on D: retain all their data & settings.

Only if they store all their settings in files alongside the program, which
is pretty rare. Most programs store a lot of settings in the Windows
registry.

 

[Jim]

I started in with Usenet with Web-TV. I started with a computer with a
Win.ME, then XP, Vista, and now W-7. I tried OE at first since it came
with the PC. Tired it for E-Mail but never liked it as much as web based
E-mail, so I just have stuck with Yahoo.
I tried T-Bird twice. first time was long ago because so many people
said everything was better than OE. I could not get it to work so I gave
up since to me OE seemed to be working fine.
I then tried it again with Vista because for a while MS had screwed up
WM so it would not work with Usenet. As usual MS was claiming nothing
was wrong on their end. I again could not get T-Bird to work with my
news feed but before trying to find out why someone suggested a free
news feed that is called Eternal September now, it was something else
then. It worked with the WM for some reason, so again I gave up on T-Bird.
When W-7 came along I loaded WLM and it was close enough to OE and WM as
far as a news reader that I could figure it out fast so stuck with it.

According to Stan Brown's note, there are "plenty of other choices that
are superior to Thunderbird." His favorite seems to be "Gravity." Well,
I tried to access Gravity, but I didn't get any instructions on how to
use Gravity to access newsgroups. - Can someone provide some basic
advice on how to get on "Gravity" to access newsgroups, or at least, one
of the "plenty of other choices."? Or even, perhaps, one of the earlier
versions of WLM?

Thanks, and have a great day.

Jim

 

[Jim]

Folks, I have a stupid question. - After going to this newsgroup via
Thunderbird, I now find that I can't get back to Thunderbird. When I
click on the icon for TB, I can only get to this newsgroup. (So, I can't
see the accumulating mail on TB, and can't get to the list of other
newsgroups.) - I must have clicked on something I shouldn't have, but i
can't seem to resolve the problem. Does anyone have suggestions?

Jim

This particular problem (couldn't see the Thunderbird menu) was cured by
simply moving the ng screen to the right with the pointer, which
uncovered the TB inputs. Sorry for the distraction.

I'm still looking for recommendations for a good ng reader. Apparently
"Gravity" is functionally limited, Thunderbird seems rather crude, and
MS Live isn't helpful. (In my case, with the latest version, the NG
reader tells me that it can't access the internet.) What about earlier
versions of MS Live?

Thanks,
Jim

 

[R. C. White]

?Hi, Ken.

I finally got around to reading your article. I like it. ;<)

You might want to update the line near the end ("True, partitions can be
resized when necessary, but except with Windows Vista, doing so requires
third-party software...") to include Windows 7 in your exception.

Since the Vista and Win7 betas have ended, and since 64-bit Windows and
supporting infrastructure and applications are readily available now and I
no longer feel the need to run 32-bit versions alongside 64-bit, I don't
need nearly as many partitions as I did a few years ago. I still have a
couple of "legacy" partitions that I created back in Win98/NT4.0 days that I
haven't gotten around to combining. But your reasons make a lot of sense to
me and I expect I'll have fewer partitions by the next time I see you.

RC
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San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-9/30/10)
Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3504.1109) in Win7 Ultimate x64
SP1 RC


"Ken Blake" wrote in message

I bought a new computer and created 3 partitions: C: D: E: which has
been my practice for many years. IE: C: for the operating system, D: for
programs and E: for Music .

Why do you separate the operating system and programs on different
partitions? Most people who do that do it because they think that if
they ever have to reinstall Windows, they won't lose their installed
programs.

That is *not* correct. If you reinstall Windows, you will also have to
reinstall all your programs (with perhaps a rare exception).

And if E: is just for music, where do you put the rest of your data
files?

You might be interested in reading this article on partitioning I've
written: "Understanding Disk Partitioning" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326

 

[Char Jackson]

I'm still looking for recommendations for a good ng reader.

Others have said it better than me, but the "best" newsreader is the
one that YOU like best. We all have different tastes, expectations,
and ways that we work, so one size does not fit all. No one can tell
you which one to use or which one is best. Try them all and see what
you like. Some are free and the rest mostly have free trials, so you
aren't out anything but some time.

 

[Ken Blake]

?Hi, Ken.

I finally got around to reading your article. I like it. ;<)

Thanks very much, RC.

You might want to update the line near the end ("True, partitions can be
resized when necessary, but except with Windows Vista, doing so requires
third-party software...") to include Windows 7 in your exception.

Since the Vista and Win7 betas have ended, and since 64-bit Windows and
supporting infrastructure and applications are readily available now and I
no longer feel the need to run 32-bit versions alongside 64-bit, I don't
need nearly as many partitions as I did a few years ago. I still have a
couple of "legacy" partitions that I created back in Win98/NT4.0 days that I
haven't gotten around to combining. But your reasons make a lot of sense to
me and I expect I'll have fewer partitions by the next time I see you.

I wish I could, but as far as I know, I have no ability to change
anything there. I'd like to bring several of my articles there up to
date, but I can't. I can't even correct the typos, whether I made
them, or the person who edited my article made them (at this point I
can see the typos, but don't remember whether they were mine or not).

I don't even like all the "improvements" the editor made, but that's
the way it is; I have to live with them. ;-(

 

[Ken Blake]

Others have said it better than me, but the "best" newsreader is the
one that YOU like best. We all have different tastes, expectations,
and ways that we work, so one size does not fit all. No one can tell
you which one to use or which one is best. Try them all and see what
you like. Some are free and the rest mostly have free trials, so you
aren't out anything but some time.

You said the same thing I said, but differently. Different as what we
said was, I don't know that mine was any better than yours.

 

[Peter Foldes]

You might be interested in reading this article on partitioning I've
written: "Understanding Disk Partitioning" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326

Ken

Great article and nicely written. Thanks

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[Nil]

Apparently "Gravity" is functionally limited,

How so? What function do you want that it doesn't have?

Everything in the world is functionally limited. There is nothing with
unlimited functionality.

 

[Jim]

Others have said it better than me, but the "best" newsreader is the
one that YOU like best. We all have different tastes, expectations,
and ways that we work, so one size does not fit all. No one can tell
you which one to use or which one is best. Try them all and see what
you like. Some are free and the rest mostly have free trials, so you
aren't out anything but some time.

I would prefer to get both email and newsgroup access on the same
program. Can someone list several that are widely used? If so, I'll
follow your suggestions and try them and see which I like best. - The
only such combination I have found so far is Thunderbird. It works, but
I don't like the layout (e.g., the small fonts on lists of unread
emails). So far, I would prefer Windows Live, but I can't get to the
newsgroup access section on WL. (Although I have a subscription to a
private newsgroup reader program.) I have a recent version of Windows
Live Mail, and when I click on "newsgroups" in WL, I get a message
"can't access the internet," even though the WL email service works
fine, and IE and FireFox have no problems getting on the internet.

Suggestions will be appreciated. Incidentally, is this an appropriate
question for this particular newgroup, or should I go somewhere else?

Jim

 

[Char Jackson]

You said the same thing I said, but differently. Different as what we
said was, I don't know that mine was any better than yours.

I had you in mind, Ken, and it looks like you recognized it. ;-)

 

[Char Jackson]

I would prefer to get both email and newsgroup access on the same
program. Can someone list several that are widely used?

Thunderbird and Agent are two that come immediately to mind. I use and
like Agent, but that shouldn't sway you.

If so, I'll
follow your suggestions and try them and see which I like best. - The
only such combination I have found so far is Thunderbird. It works, but
I don't like the layout (e.g., the small fonts on lists of unread
emails).

The font size wasn't adjustable?

So far, I would prefer Windows Live, but I can't get to the
newsgroup access section on WL. (Although I have a subscription to a
private newsgroup reader program.)

I don't know what you mean by a "private newsgroup reader program",
but if it's truly a newsreader then it'll have no relation to another
newsreader of your choosing. You can run multiple newsreaders side by
side with no ill effects. Instead, if you meant to say it's a
subscription to a newsserver, then all you have to do is configure the
other newsreaders to use that newsserver. Either way, you shouldn't
have any problems so post any error messages and we'll help you out.

I have a recent version of Windows
Live Mail, and when I click on "newsgroups" in WL, I get a message
"can't access the internet," even though the WL email service works
fine, and IE and FireFox have no problems getting on the internet.

I'm betting it's simply not yet configured to use your newsserver.

Suggestions will be appreciated. Incidentally, is this an appropriate
question for this particular newgroup, or should I go somewhere else?

It's fine here.

 

[Ken Blake]

Ken

Great article and nicely written. Thanks

Thank *you* for the kind words, Peter.