Mail program that works?

[Char Jackson]

"is there an ISP that requires all outbound email be sent through their
mail server? If so, which ISP and where is it located?"

Cox Cable blocks port 25 for all but it's own Email server on
residential accounts.
If a non Cox email server has alternate ports available (many do),
then you can go around the blocked ports.

Thanks, charlie, I wasn't aware of that. I've set up email clients for
quite a few of my Cox customers, but it's been several years since
I've used port 25, so I haven't run into the block.

There were three possible setups for Cox users.

1. Use Cox's email servers with the Cox user's email address.
2. Use Cox's email servers with a non cox email address by first logging
in to the cox server, then send with the non Cox email address.
3. Use alternate ports to fully utilize the non Cox email server.

With some puttering around, it's possible to setup OE, Thunderbird,
Outlook, or most other email clients to use one or more of the above.

I've been setting them up with option 3 in recent years without even
realizing there was a possible issue. Sometimes a person gets lucky.

 

[John Williamson]

I wonder why they don't just require that you login (using your POP3
credentials) before allowing access to the SMTP server? That's how
some of the ISPs do it over here in the Colonies.

They do that as well. Then they send you an e-mail warning you of
possible unauthorised use of your account.

Yeah, that was common ever here, too, back when ISPs had news servers.
These days, it's usually either farmed out or simply no longer offered
by the ISP. You gotta go find your own access somewhere.

As I mostly use a 3G connection, I long ago set up a news.individual.net
account. NT allegedly outsource to Giganews anyway.

 

[Fokke Nauta]

26 instead of 25? You know of a mail server listening on port 26?
That's completely non-standard. I love NL, but some things are weird
over there.

This is weird indeed. But I use the SMTP server of my web hosting
provider to send mail, not the SMTP server of my internet provider.
And the SMTP server of my web hosting provider listens to port 26!

Fokke

 

[Andy Burns]

In The Netherlands this is common practice.
Unless you use a differt port number (26 in stead of 25 in my case)

Have you tried using the SMTP submission port TCP/587, that's what it's
intended for.

 

[Kenny Cargill]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I had been using Win 7 64 bit for a while and
had no access to this group. Tried many things with WLM and Thunderbird
none of which helped. Discovered Opera which works well as an e-mail
program but with newsgroups it only has a limited number even though they
are on the same server, Madasafish.
This group and a karaoke group I would have used regularly simply don't
appear in the group list in Opera.

Kenny Cargill

"Kenny Cargill" wrote in message

Had been using WLM with no problem until recent Win updates. Now I can't
send new mail, forward etc. but can receive mail. Click "New Mail" it
appears busy but does nothing, clicking anything else then gets "WLM not
responding" and I have to close it.
Tried uninstalling and reinstalling WLM, no difference.
Thought I'd give Thunderbird 16 a try, all going well until I closed the
program and re-opened it, it downloaded new mail but deleted what was
already in the Inbox! Googling and looking at Mozilla forums it seems a
common problem with no clear solution. Tried TBird 17 which is a beta
version but it's the same.
Another PC with Win 7 32 bit, this one is 64 bit, works well with WLM.
Any other half decent mail programs available which work?

Kenny Cargill

 

[Paul]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I had been using Win 7 64 bit for a while
and had no access to this group. Tried many things with WLM and
Thunderbird none of which helped. Discovered Opera which works well as
an e-mail program but with newsgroups it only has a limited number even
though they are on the same server, Madasafish.
This group and a karaoke group I would have used regularly simply don't
appear in the group list in Opera.

Kenny Cargill

"Kenny Cargill" wrote in message

Had been using WLM with no problem until recent Win updates. Now I can't
send new mail, forward etc. but can receive mail. Click "New Mail" it
appears busy but does nothing, clicking anything else then gets "WLM not
responding" and I have to close it.
Tried uninstalling and reinstalling WLM, no difference.
Thought I'd give Thunderbird 16 a try, all going well until I closed the
program and re-opened it, it downloaded new mail but deleted what was
already in the Inbox! Googling and looking at Mozilla forums it seems a
common problem with no clear solution. Tried TBird 17 which is a beta
version but it's the same.
Another PC with Win 7 32 bit, this one is 64 bit, works well with WLM.
Any other half decent mail programs available which work?

Kenny Cargill

If you need access to this group, set up an additional entry in
Thunderbird, to connect to the news server "aioe.org". It's free,
and doesn't use authentication. And the Windows 7 and Windows 8
groups are there. Not all servers have added these -

alt.windows7.general
alt.comp.os.windows-8

More details on port numbers for it, can be found here.

http://www.aioe.org/

Paul

 

[Big Steel]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I had been using Win 7 64 bit for a while
and had no access to this group. Tried many things with WLM and
Thunderbird none of which helped. Discovered Opera which works well as
an e-mail program but with newsgroups it only has a limited number even
though they are on the same server, Madasafish.

I use Tunderbird for Earthlink email, Gmail, newsgroups through
Earthlink and using MS NNTP Bridge progeam with a Thunderbird with no
problems.

 

[Steve Hayes]

Another PC with Win 7 32 bit, this one is 64 bit, works well with WLM.
Any other half decent mail programs available which work?

Try Pegasus.

 

[XS11E]

Try Pegasus.

Seconded! www.pmail.com (It's free and there's a very good support
group.)

 

[Stan Brown]

Try Pegasus.

What's the opposite of "+1"?

I struggled with Pegasus for years, and finally its numerous bugs,
its poor integration with Windows, and especially its crappy, crappy
editor got me mad enough to switch. Installing and configuring
Thunderbird was a breeze, and it's much, much, much easer to use.

 

[Tim Slattery]

What's the opposite of "+1"?

I struggled with Pegasus for years, and finally its numerous bugs,
its poor integration with Windows, and especially its crappy, crappy
editor got me mad enough to switch. Installing and configuring
Thunderbird was a breeze, and it's much, much, much easer to use.

Couldn't disagree more. I've used Pegasus forever, know of no bugs,
have no trouble with the editor. Multiple personas, Bayesian spam
filtering, IMAP support, all kinds of filtering, very active user
community. I guess different folks can have different experiences,
but...

 

[XS11E]

Couldn't disagree more. I've used Pegasus forever, know of no
bugs, have no trouble with the editor. Multiple personas, Bayesian
spam filtering, IMAP support, all kinds of filtering, very active
user community. I guess different folks can have different
experiences, but...

I used both Pegasus and Thunderbird for email, T'Bird 2.x was pretty
good with a few add-ons. But when T'Bird 3.x came along it got less
and less usable until I gave it up and went back to Pegasus. I've used
Peggy since DOS days and never had any complaints. It did have some
problems handling HTML email in older versions but that problem lies in
the clueless newbies who are so damn rude as to send HTML email. Later
versions handle HTML very well.

One HUGE advantage of Pegasus, neither Pegasus Mail or Thunderbird are
usable for newsgroups but Pegasus doesn't claim it is unlike
Thunderbird, the only newsreader actually WORSE than Outlook Express!

 

[Gordonbp]

Thunderbird, the only newsreader actually WORSE than Outlook Express!

I think you'll find that the latest versions of TBird are actually very
good as a newsreader....

 

[Bob Henson]

One HUGE advantage of Pegasus, neither Pegasus Mail or Thunderbird are
usable for newsgroups but Pegasus doesn't claim it is unlike
Thunderbird, the only newsreader actually WORSE than Outlook Express!

I've used just about every free newsreader there is, and have paid for
others, and none is anywhere nearly as good as Thunderbird. All have
good and bad features, but on balance Thunderbird's substantially better
than the rest.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK www.galen.org.uk


In a democracy it's your vote that counts. In feudalism it's your count
that votes.

 

[Steve Hayes]

What's the opposite of "+1"?

I struggled with Pegasus for years, and finally its numerous bugs,
its poor integration with Windows, and especially its crappy, crappy
editor got me mad enough to switch. Installing and configuring
Thunderbird was a breeze, and it's much, much, much easer to use.

To all accounts the bugs and lack of functionality in Windows Live Mail and
its predecessors make Pegasus a dream to use. Even if Pegasus doesn't get any
better, unlike its main competitor, it also doesn't get any worse.

 

[~BD~]

I've used just about every free newsreader there is, and have paid for
others, and none is anywhere nearly as good as Thunderbird. All have
good and bad features, but on balance Thunderbird's substantially better
than the rest.

What is your view of SeaMonkey?

 

[Bob Henson]

What is your view of SeaMonkey?

I don't see much point in it. If it was all one program, that would be
quite attractive. As it is, it is just Thunderbird and Firefox running
at the same time. I'd rather run them separately.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK www.galen.org.uk


Reality is an illusion brought on by alcohol deficiency.

 

[XS11E]

I've used just about every free newsreader there is, and have paid
for others, and none is anywhere nearly as good as Thunderbird.
All have good and bad features, but on balance Thunderbird's
substantially better than the rest.

I also have used most and T'belch has to be the worst of all.

Apparently you want something very different in a newsreader than I do?

Just the lack of scoring capability makes T'burp a non-starter among
newsreaders....

 

[Bob Henson]

I also have used most and T'belch has to be the worst of all.

Apparently you want something very different in a newsreader than I do?

Just the lack of scoring capability makes T'burp a non-starter among
newsreaders....

We definitely have differing views - I just want to read the newsgroups,
I'm not interested in mathematics.

 

[~BD~]

I don't see much point in it. If it was all one program, that would be
quite attractive. As it is, it is just Thunderbird and Firefox running
at the same time. I'd rather run them separately.

I didn't realise that!

Are you quite sure?