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[flatfish+++]

Alias is like Goblin if you know what I mean. It's got a lot of
worthless lip service. You had best kick Alias to the curb.

So I see

So what happened to Gooblin?

He sure seems to have gone underground after his last ass whipping.

--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
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Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

 

[Big Steel]

So I see

So what happened to Gooblin?

He sure seems to have gone underground after his last ass whipping.

Alias won't it takes a beating, and it's too dumb to disappear, like old
Billy Boy Boaster. And it's got dumb Preacher Gordon trying to back it
up. I pray for Gordon.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Intrigued? In what way?


In what way? Were you expecting it to be more like Windows this time
around? From your previous experience with Linux, you should have known
that would not be the case.


"Use what works best for you" has always been my advice when people ask
me which OS is "best."

From an AmigaOS-skipped-Windows-entirely-and-went-directly-to-Linux-10-
years-ago user,

Stef

I suggest the same thing to my clients, whatever works for them. However
many have decided to dual boot Winders and Linux to see which one they
like better or will work for them best. Guess which one they boot to the
most after a while? ..Yep Linux. The biggest problem I have with them is
loss of revenue, as I no longer have to clean, or redo their computers.
These fan-boys will drone on forever about their beloved MS OS, some
hilariously claim never having caught any Virus or Malware from Dos to
Win 7, I just laugh. Haven't been doing Linux as long as you, yep came
in a bit late, but am a user for over 5 years now. I use, test, and keep
up with Winders only for client support these days. I don't think any
"Boat" was missed, I think the OP is just an MS fan-boy, looking to
start a flame-war.

G'day

 

[Big Steel]

I suggest the same thing to my clients, whatever works for them. However
many have decided to dual boot Winders and Linux to see which one they
like better or will work for them best. Guess which one they boot to the
most after a while? ..Yep Linux. The biggest problem I have with them is
loss of revenue, as I no longer have to clean, or redo their computers.
These fan-boys will drone on forever about their beloved MS OS, some
hilariously claim never having caught any Virus or Malware from Dos to
Win 7, I just laugh. Haven't been doing Linux as long as you, yep came
in a bit late, but am a user for over 5 years now. I use, test, and keep
up with Winders only for client support these days. I don't think any
"Boat" was missed, I think the OP is just an MS fan-boy, looking to
start a flame-war.

G'day

Take a trip to COLA and see the Linux fan-boys in action.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Take a trip to COLA and see the Linux fan-boys in action.

Of course, that IS after all,THEIR group, yet the MS fan-boys, shills,
fudsters, and the like constantly spew their droning crap. I responded
here regarding Linux simply because the subject was brought up. Run
along and clean your Winders install. After all, it's been a day since
the last cleaning right?

G'day

 

[BillW50]

If people would bother to take the time to read released internal MS
documents as a result of lawsuits, they would likely have a different
opinion about what they hold so dear. Their agendas and methodology
to fulfill them, leaves no question at all as to how underhanded they
truly are. I have read them all, and I have no respect for them and
their methods. The company was founded on basically stealing
programs/code, which that alone is despicable. What really cracks-me-up
is that they STILL, (Caps just for you Ken), can't stand on their own,
stealing what they think they can get away with. Marketing? Truly
superior! ..But then they have to be superior in marketing, their OS
sure isn't superior, just used by many duped people convinced there is
nothing else to use.

G'day

Why limit your knowledge just about Microsoft? How about including the
rest of them? How about when I spent $1000 on software from Berkeley
Softworks? And what happened? They stopped development and used all of
the money to sink into the IBM-PC. And those that got suckered into that
one, was left high and dry once again.

Or what about Digital Research? I was writing the first and only CP/M
Office Suite. Then one day Gary Kildall killed off CP/M overnight. He
never cared what customers wanted and it killed DR. Yet DR had the whole
world in their hands and could have been the Microsoft of today. But he
kept stabbing everybody in the back.

What about Netscape? It wasn't free back then and when IE4 came out,
they were too lazy to recode Netscape into modules like Microsoft did.
And Netscape been sliding down ever since.

I could write a book about all of the horror stories about other
companies. And in comparison, Microsoft is a saint compared to the
majority of them.

 

[BillW50]

MS spends a lot of money (millions) on FUD that naive folks like you
believe, that's why.

That's not true. I rarely hear anything from Microsoft. It is all of the
third parties is what I hear from. And lots of FUD there.

Most people have never used Linux due to MS FUD.

Not true either. And most of the people who tried Linux, did so based on
Linux FUD.

They think that Linux is for geeks and would be too technical for them.

And sometimes it is. That is what the Terminal window is for.

I've seen it time and again when I've converted people from Windows to
Linux with the common reaction being, "this is much better and easier
than I thought".

Yes I seen this as well. But 99% of them will later give up when they
learn that Linux doesn't run the applications they want to run. Hell
that is the biggest reason why I don't care much for Linux either. To
me, Linux is just a glorified PDA OS.

 

[BillW50]

Inbox, son, Inbox, not news. Now stop moving the goal posts and send
yourself a gig of attachments to OE's Inbox and get back to me about how
great it is. I get 20+ MBs of attachments per email every day in my
business and OE just can't handle that load.

Don't use the Inbox, I use MAPI for email. POP is way too limited for my
needs. POP doesn't allow automatic syncing with multiple computers
either (and I have many). So what good is it?

 

[Muad'Dib]

Why limit your knowledge just about Microsoft? How about including the
rest of them? How about when I spent $1000 on software from Berkeley
Softworks? And what happened? They stopped development and used all of
the money to sink into the IBM-PC. And those that got suckered into that
one, was left high and dry once again.

Or what about Digital Research? I was writing the first and only CP/M
Office Suite. Then one day Gary Kildall killed off CP/M overnight. He
never cared what customers wanted and it killed DR. Yet DR had the whole
world in their hands and could have been the Microsoft of today. But he
kept stabbing everybody in the back.

What about Netscape? It wasn't free back then and when IE4 came out,
they were too lazy to recode Netscape into modules like Microsoft did.
And Netscape been sliding down ever since.

I could write a book about all of the horror stories about other
companies. And in comparison, Microsoft is a saint compared to the
majority of them.

Because I'm talking about Microsoft, not every other company in the
world. I am not stupid and fully am aware of the underhanded practices
of MANY, (Caps just for Ken), many companies, but those same companies
don't produce an OS which MS does, ah well, do they? What is original
and what is stolen? They couldn't even completely write Office
originally, yep lost a lawsuit over that recently. They can't even do a
search engine independently, they swiped Google results, and now
ludicrously are trying to sue Google?? MS has no shame! Face it, they
simply cannot write a single program on their own, which is how they
started in the first place, on someone else's code. Next?

G'day

 

[BillW50]

I used it for years and used Steve's back up program. Since I upgraded
to Outlook for email and T-Bird for news, I haven't looked back.

I never had to backup OE. Why? Everything from MAPI email and newsgroups
are on the servers anyway, And Thunderbird is terrible for searches and
finding posts. OE is so much faster and easier.

 

[BillW50]

Because I'm talking about Microsoft, not every other company in the
world. I am not stupid and fully am aware of the underhanded practices
of MANY, (Caps just for Ken), many companies, but those same companies
don't produce an OS which MS does, ah well, do they? What is original
and what is stolen? They couldn't even completely write Office
originally, yep lost a lawsuit over that recently. They can't even do a
search engine independently, they swiped Google results, and now
ludicrously are trying to sue Google?? MS has no shame! Face it, they
simply cannot write a single program on their own, which is how they
started in the first place, on someone else's code. Next?

Nope, not true. Most of the companies I mentioned wrote OS. DR wrote
CP/M and GEM and Berkeley Softworks wrote GEOS. And I have used zillions
of OS not from Microsoft.

And claiming that Microsoft never wrote a program isn't true either.
Even Steve Jobs was on record about talking about Microsoft's
programming abilities. And Microsoft got it's start by writing Basic.
Which was Paul Allen and Bill Gates. And they wrote other programming
languages too in the early days.

And speaking about stealing, Apple (Steve Jobs) has to be the worst. The
whole Mac Empire was stolen from Xerox. And the weird thing was Xerox
let them. Xerox could have owned the whole GUI market then and now. But
I see companies making super dumb mistakes all of the time. And then
others (including Microsoft) take advantage of their mistakes.

And the thing that drives me nuts is many companies claim fowl when
Microsoft does it. And yet, if they were not so dumb, it never would
have happened. DR and GEOS are good examples. They blame their failure
totally on Microsoft.

Let's just use GEOS as an example. When Microsoft only had Windows 3.0,
GEOS had GEOS. Both were GUI-OS that loaded from DOS. And GEOS was far
superior to Windows 3.0. And Microsoft knew it. And what happened? GEOS
sat on their butts while Microsoft was busy improving Windows. And there
was over 1000 improvements in Windows 3.1. It was so much of an
improvement that many thought it should have been called Windows 4.0
instead of 3.1.

GEOS claims that Microsoft muscled them out. That's pure bull! GEOS
didn't want to improve their product. I guess they were too busy in
their yachts. As GEOS stayed 16 bit and only supported 16 colors. If you
are unwilling to make improvements like Microsoft did, don't cry that
Microsoft beat you! All they had to do is to keep improving it and
Windows would have been history. But the truth was they were just lazy
bastards!

 

[Chris Ahlstrom]

BillW50 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

The claim was Linux doesn't get viruses. So I guess that was just a lie,
eh? So what else is new?

No one has ever claimed that.

And what is even more laughable is considering the small number of
applications that runs under Linux. How many games can Linux run now?
About 300 isn't it?

If true, that would be about 298 more than I play.

If you want a game PC, if all you care about is games, yeah, go for Windows.

What is even more laughable is the Commodore 64 was said to run 20,000
applications if I remember right. And was popular for 10 years before it
died out. And Linux has been around for 19 years (almost twice as long).
And I don't think it has caught up to the success of the Commodore 64 yet.

Are you kidding me? Have you seen how many packages are in a Debian distro?

Over 30,000. And then you have commercial Linux applications.

Sure, not the same kind of "market" as Windows, but it covers a lot of
territory.

McAfee is one of the worst. I guess the IT department isn't that bright
where you work at, eh?

The DoD has never been known for its intelligence; that's why they have
such a reliance on Windows and its crutches.

Personally, I wouldn't attribute "quality" to AV software. At best, AV will
hopefully not slow your computer down tooooooo much.

All I had to show was Linux can and does get viruses. Nothing more. If
you want more, I charge by the hour. ;-)

If I want more, I'll google for Windows viruses. It's a shame, too, because
the Windows kernel seems to be a good piece of work.

--
On a morning from a Bogart movie, in a country where they turned back time,
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime.
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running like a watercolor in the rain.
Don't bother asking for explanations, she'll just tell you that she came
In the Year of the Cat.

She doesn't give you time for questions, as she locks up your arm in hers,
And you follow 'till your sense of which direction completely disappears.
By the blue-tiled walls near the market stall there's a hidden door she
leads you to.
These days, she say, I feel my life just like a river running through
The Year of the Cat.

Well, she looks at you so coolly,
And her eyes shine like the moon in the sea.
She comes in incense and patchouli,
So you take her to find what's waiting inside
The Year of the Cat.

Well, morning comes and you're still with her, but the bus and the tourists
are gone,
And you've thrown away your choice and lost your ticket, so you have to stay on.
But the drum-beat strains of the night remain in the rhythm of the new-born day.
You know some time you're bound to leave her, but for now you're going to stay
In the Year of the Cat.
-- Al Stewart, "Year of the Cat"

 

[Kevin Safford]

The only excuse that he can possibly have for not going over to Linux is
that he doesn't ware the pants in his family like you say.

s/ware/wear/

hth and hand

 

[Chris Ahlstrom]

BillW50 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Don't use the Inbox, I use MAPI for email.

Many companies refuse to configure MAPI on Exchange servers, unfortunately.

POP is way too limited for my
needs. POP doesn't allow automatic syncing with multiple computers
either (and I have many). So what good is it?

That's what fetchmail and other tools are for.

--
If all be true that I do think,
There be five reasons why one should drink;
Good friends, good wine, or being dry,
Or lest we should be by-and-by,
Or any other reason why.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Nope, not true. Most of the companies I mentioned wrote OS. DR wrote
CP/M and GEM and Berkeley Softworks wrote GEOS. And I have used zillions
of OS not from Microsoft.

And claiming that Microsoft never wrote a program isn't true either.
Even Steve Jobs was on record about talking about Microsoft's
programming abilities. And Microsoft got it's start by writing Basic.
Which was Paul Allen and Bill Gates. And they wrote other programming
languages too in the early days.

And speaking about stealing, Apple (Steve Jobs) has to be the worst. The
whole Mac Empire was stolen from Xerox. And the weird thing was Xerox
let them. Xerox could have owned the whole GUI market then and now. But
I see companies making super dumb mistakes all of the time. And then
others (including Microsoft) take advantage of their mistakes.

And the thing that drives me nuts is many companies claim fowl when
Microsoft does it. And yet, if they were not so dumb, it never would
have happened. DR and GEOS are good examples. They blame their failure
totally on Microsoft.

Let's just use GEOS as an example. When Microsoft only had Windows 3.0,
GEOS had GEOS. Both were GUI-OS that loaded from DOS. And GEOS was far
superior to Windows 3.0. And Microsoft knew it. And what happened? GEOS
sat on their butts while Microsoft was busy improving Windows. And there
was over 1000 improvements in Windows 3.1. It was so much of an
improvement that many thought it should have been called Windows 4.0
instead of 3.1.

GEOS claims that Microsoft muscled them out. That's pure bull! GEOS
didn't want to improve their product. I guess they were too busy in
their yachts. As GEOS stayed 16 bit and only supported 16 colors. If you
are unwilling to make improvements like Microsoft did, don't cry that
Microsoft beat you! All they had to do is to keep improving it and
Windows would have been history. But the truth was they were just lazy
bastards!

Ah whatever, I have read every released internal MS memo, email, and
document, resulting from lawsuits, and they are by no means angels,
which is STILL, (Caps just for Ken), what I'm talking about, not every
other OS or company. Skirt the subject as you will, the simple fact
remains, MS has been exposed as to their agendas, and methods period. It
makes no difference what other companies have done, I am talking about
MS and their tactics, not every other company. See, MS paints themselves
as Me orientated, family orientated, business orientated, etc, etc, etc.
Liars, they have no interest in anything more than pure $$'s.

Whatever, I tire of sparing with you, as obviously you have neither
studied their true beginnings, nor read the released documents. ..Or
choose to ignore all of it. ..And/or choose to justify underhanded crap,
regardless. Bub-by

G'day

 

[BillW50]

Ah whatever, I have read every released internal MS memo, email, and
document, resulting from lawsuits, and they are by no means angels,
which is STILL, (Caps just for Ken), what I'm talking about, not every
other OS or company. Skirt the subject as you will, the simple fact
remains, MS has been exposed as to their agendas, and methods period. It
makes no difference what other companies have done, I am talking about
MS and their tactics, not every other company. See, MS paints themselves
as Me orientated, family orientated, business orientated, etc, etc, etc.
Liars, they have no interest in anything more than pure $$'s.

Whatever, I tire of sparing with you, as obviously you have neither
studied their true beginnings, nor read the released documents. ..Or
choose to ignore all of it. ..And/or choose to justify underhanded crap,
regardless. Bub-by

G'day

I too have read the same documents. And I don't deny any of them. But
still Microsoft is a saint compared to the rest of them. How anybody can
fault them for being better than the rest baffles me. As that is nothing
more than just Microsoft bashing. And I can see why Microsoft has done
some misdeeds. As look who they have to deal with.

And Microsoft has done a lot of great things as well. As IBM had a plan
to kill off Microsoft and all clone PCs. And if nobody stopped them, we
all would be running OS/2 on true blue IBM machines today. If Microsoft
didn't bet the farm against them, IBM would have won.

Also remember when Apple was broke and was going to close their doors?
Microsoft gave them money to kept them going and AFAIK Apple never paid
them back. Giving your competitor money to stay in business is just
unheard of in this industry.

And sometimes I think Microsoft purposely writes so-so programs just to
give others a chance. As this has spawned a super huge third party
support industry. As without Microsoft, they would never exist. And if
Microsoft closed the doors tomorrow, tons of companies would be no more.

And to be honest, if we replaced Microsoft with somebody else. I can't
think who that somebody else would be. As they are all far worse than
Microsoft. And prices would be hugely much higher. And before you shoot
Microsoft, I say be very, very careful. Because what comes next may come
directly from the bowels of hell! :-(

 

[Ezekiel]

"BillW50" wrote in message

Also remember when Apple was broke and was going to close their doors?
Microsoft gave them money to kept them going and AFAIK Apple never paid
them back. Giving your competitor money to stay in business is just unheard
of in this industry.

I do remember and I remember this silly urban legend as well. The problem is
that it's neither true nor accurate. In return for the $150M Microsoft got a
6% stake of Apple stock and promised not to sell the shares for at least 3
years. If they had held on to the shares today the $150M of Apple stock
would be worth $4.5 billion.

<quote>
*Legend Becomes Myth*

As noted in Paul Thurrott's Merciless Attack on Artie MacStrawman, it is
fashionable among Microsoft apologists to insist that the company bailed
Apple out in an altruistic act of compassion, and that any success now
enjoyed by Apple should rightfully be delivered to Microsoft in tribute.

Mark Stephens, writing as Robert X Cringely, speculated that Apple made the
deal to gain access to Windows code, and is secretly using the now expired
cross licensing agreement to deliver the Red Box, a system for flawlessly
running yesterday's Windows applications within Mac OS X, just as seamlessly
as OS/2 could run Win16 and DOS programs.

Others have suggested Apple was just out of money and desperately needed
Microsoft's help, ignoring the fact that Apple had just reported holding
$1.2 billion in cash. Another $0.15 billion wasn't going to make any
significant difference in the survival of the company.
</quote>

 

[DanS]

I don't care if it was last week. If you think something
made by man can't be attacked by another man, you are
really are a big time fool.

And you don;t care eitehr that the 3 year old articles
explicitly states......

....."He says the attack relies on making use of stolen
passwords to Linux Apache servers by automating the
installation process to force it to serve up attacks against
vulnerabilities on Windows clients."

So, "relies on making use of stolen passwords to Linux Apache
servers" means nothing ?

 

[DanS]

Linux is said to not have the number of viruses because

Really? As the tiny number of Linux users increase
slightly, so does the number of Linux viruses. Yet isn't
Linux supposed to be safer today? And to get the idea of
how Linux can be infected, here is a good read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses

And? Where are they? Are Linux users getting infected left and
right by just visiting a web site?

What's far more telling is this.......

....."In 1990, estimates ranged from 200 to 500; then in 1991
estimates ranged from 600 to 1,000 different viruses. In late
1992, estimates were ranging from 1,000 to 2,300 viruses. In
mid-1994, the numbers vary from 4,500 to over 7,500 viruses.
In 1996 the number climbed over 10,000. 1998 saw 20,000 and
2000 topped 50,000. It's easy to say there are more now.
Indeed, in April 2008, the BBC reportedWeb Link that Symantec
now claims "that the security firm's anti-virus programs
detect to 1,122,311" viruses and that "almost two thirds of
all malicious code threats currently detected were created
during 2007."

........for Windows.

 

[DanS]

PMSL

It's a good job they fixed it on March 25, then.
Priceless!!

To be technically correct, this possible issue was just
identified/notified on 11/29/2010, not 5 years ago.

Anyway, the kernel was vulnerable and there are a lot more
recent examples.

Yes, it was.

How many Linux viruses/trojans/malware packages have been
released into the wild and are now replicating and infecting
Linux users everywhere bedause of it ?

It's all about *active* exploitation.

All OSs, and some applications that run on those OSs, have
some deficienies, but, does it really matter?......

.........not unless there's some piece of
spyware/malware/virus/worm/trojan out there, actively using
these "exploits" to infect/replicate/phone home.

(Hmmmm, I'll have to post this now, since the system's asking
me to reboot because it just updated the kernel. Probably to
fix one of those never used exploits you keep raving about.
Phew!!!!!! Good thing I didn't have to wait until the second
Tuesday of the month to be protected from wild exploits that
don't exist.)