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[Percival P. Cassidy]

No way! I ran OS/2 v2.x and I was a beta tester for OS/2 v3. And the
beta testing things were doing just fine. But just like in IBM's style,
they screwed up in the released version. They changed many of the
drivers and a huge amount of beta testers couldn't even get it to
install (including myself).

Better product, my eye! I have at least a dozen computers right in this
room alone. And I can take that Warp install CD and I can guarantee you
that it will not install on any of them. Then there was all of those
FixPaks! Most of them broke more than they fixed. And old bugs were
coming back to haunt OS/2. That is because every time IBM tried to fix
something, they made it worse than ever before. Then they would plug
back the old code that had the old bugs.

It wasn't a failure of IBM's marketing! Hell IBM spent 2 billion dollars
on OS/2 alone. It was a failure of IBM's programmers couldn't program
their way out of a wet paper bag. And IBM made promises they couldn't
keep. This later became well known as FUD.

I used Warp 3 and Warp 4 on many different machines, and for many years
now I have been using its OEM successor, eComStation, on modern
hardware. (Why be surprised that Warp4, released in 1996, doesn't have
drivers for much-newer hardware?) The machine on which I am typing this
is running eComStation 2.0 on a 3GHz dual-core machine with a mixture of
SATA and SCSI drives; the on-board sound and Gigabit networking work. It
also runs fine on a ThinkPad T61. The only trouble I've ever had
installing it was from an IDE optical drive on a machine with a weird
combo IDE/FireWire chip, but once I installed an SATA optical drive eCS
installed and ran just fine -- on a 3.4GHz quad-core machine (OS/2 had
support for 64 CPUs from way back).

Perce

 

[BillW50]

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I used Warp 3 and Warp 4 on many different machines, and for many
years now I have been using its OEM successor, eComStation, on modern
hardware. (Why be surprised that Warp4, released in 1996, doesn't have
drivers for much-newer hardware?) The machine on which I am typing
this is running eComStation 2.0 on a 3GHz dual-core machine with a
mixture of SATA and SCSI drives; the on-board sound and Gigabit
networking work. It also runs fine on a ThinkPad T61. The only
trouble I've ever had installing it was from an IDE optical drive on
a machine with a weird combo IDE/FireWire chip, but once I installed
an SATA optical drive eCS installed and ran just fine -- on a 3.4GHz
quad-core machine (OS/2 had support for 64 CPUs from way back).

Perce

You didn't install the original OS/2 v3 on any machine that has more
than 512MB HDD. As you can't! As Warp would claim something like you
need more than 20MB to install and you don't have enough room. Somewhere
around FixPak 5 finally fixed this.

When you buy OS/2, they don't tell you which FixPak version OS/2 has in
the box. So you don't know which one you are getting. There is a code
stamped on the box though and that is where the secret is to which
FixPak version you have. But you need a code book to read it.

Of course, IBM promised that if you didn't like OS/2 after you bought
it, they would buy it back. So how could you lose right? So I went down
to my computer store and bought it. And when I got home it wouldn't even
install. Taken it back to the store and they said they don't refund
opened boxes.

Called up IBM and told them I need a refund. And they sorry, they won't
refund my money unless I bought it directly from them. I didn't bother
to ask if the shrink wrap had to be on the box too. All I know is IBM
lies all of the time and people gets tired of it.

Sure years after the original Warp release OS/2 started to make some
real progress. But by then, almost nobody cared. As all of those bad
years before ruined it for most people.

 

[BillW50]

In

Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Alias always has his foot in his mouth. Okay your turn Alias, where is
your evidence? Frankly I personally believe you make this crap up. As I
never known you to be truthful about anything.

 

[BillW50]

In

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses
Malware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)

 

[Gordon]

Also as far as vulnerabilities goes, Linux is way up there also

http://www.vupen.com/english/linux-advisories/2

Another one who doesn't know the difference between Linux (the KERNEL)
and APPLICATIONS that run on Linux. Most of those vulnerabilities are
for APPLICATIONS, not Linux, the Kernel. Unlike Windows which has masses
of vulnerabilities ON ITS OWN....

 

[BillW50]

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Observations, son, observations. You make it obvious. State one lie
I've posted (you can't).

Virtually every post of yours contains lies. You just can't help
yourself. Even in this one alone has three lies:

1) Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

2) Observations, son, observations.

3) State one lie I've posted (you can't).

 

[Boscoe]

In

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses
Malware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)

He's a Linux troll and, as all of his playmates on here don't bother any
more, he's found someone else to play with. YOU!!

He's known for spreading FUD about Windows on here and doesn't know what
he's talking about....

<http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154765/187/>

So, leave him alone and let him play with himself, again.

 

[Gordon]

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

<sigh> Those are to protect WINDOWS boxes on the same network as the
Linux box - if the network was all Linux then there would be no need for
them...

 

[Gordon]

He's a Linux troll

Oh yeah? I'm also a Community Contributor on the MS Answers forums if
you had the skills and intelligence to post there...

 

[BillW50]

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You're an idiot.

I know, you tell me that all of the time. ;-)

There are vulnerabilities dating back years that have never been
patched. Linux patches when the patches are ready, not once a month.

Really? Then why are there Linux anti-virus software then?

What, exactly, do you not understand about the words "compared to"?

Compared to what? Windows? Well from my personal experience, Windows
viruses are not a personal threat to me because I have been running
Windows since '93 and I never had one yet. Take a tip from this guy.

Viruses don't harm, ignorance does!
http://vx.netlux.org/

Linux is said to not have the number of viruses because Linux is so tiny
in comparison. So why bother writing Linux viruses when most people use
Windows anyway? There is no question inn my mind that if the roles were
reversed and 99% were using Linux. You can bet Linux would have tons
more viruses than Windows did.

 

[Boscoe]

Oh yeah? I'm also a Community Contributor on the MS Answers forums if
you had the skills and intelligence to post there...

Gosh!! He has trouble doing up his shoe laces.

And here's a Linux kernel exploit with hundreds more if you care to look.

<http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154707>

 

[Gordon]

Gosh!! He has trouble doing up his shoe laces.

And here's a Linux kernel exploit with hundreds more if you care to look.

<http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154707>

<sigh> That's a vulnerability in Ubuntu 6.06 - that version is FIVE
YEARS OLD - I shouldn't think ANYONE is using it now. Can't you come up
with anything more recent? Like to list the vulnerabilities in XP?
That's the same age...

 

[Boscoe]

<sigh> That's a vulnerability in Ubuntu 6.06 - that version is FIVE
YEARS OLD - I shouldn't think ANYONE is using it now. Can't you come up
with anything more recent? Like to list the vulnerabilities in XP?
That's the same age...

PMSL

It's a good job they fixed it on March 25, then. Priceless!!

Anyway, the kernel was vulnerable and there are a lot more recent
examples.

 

[Big Steel]

In

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses
Malware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)

Why do you respond to a preacher that is a child molester?

 

[BillW50]

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To protect Windows computers connected to Linux computers.

Really? And they never scan for Linux viruses as long as they are at it?
Say Alias. you wouldn't be lying to us once again, would you? ;-)

LOL! Liar. Anti virus and anti malware programs are only as good as
their definitions which always come *after* the fact.

Yes and often within hours of the fact too. But that doesn't make me a
liar.

You're probably infected and don't even know it.

No probably not. I have been through this before with you but it never
sinks in. I have seen lots of other Windows systems infected, but it is
because those users don't listen too well. You know like you don't.

Anyway I told you it is virtually impossible to get infected while
running Microsoft EWF. As all it can do is to infect the RAM (most can't
do that anyway). So when you reboot, all gone viruses (like if there
were any in the first place).

And if you didn't like EWF or something, there are also lots of other
things like sandboxes and the like. That way if you are not too bright
and often get infected a lot, this will help a great deal. As virtually
all viruses are stuck just able to play in the sandbox and nowhere else.
You can think of it like a virus prison if you like.

Never heard of the drive by malware, eh? Everyone act surprised.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215428/Millions_of_sites_hit_with_mass_injection_cyberattack

Sure I have. Ever hear of Maxthon v2? Stops zero day viruses before your
AV gets updated. Oh sorry, that won't run under Linux. Windows only. ;-)

That's the FUD that MS wants you to believe and you swallow it hook,
line and sinker.

Really? As the tiny number of Linux users increase slightly, so does the
number of Linux viruses. Yet isn't Linux supposed to be safer today? And
to get the idea of how Linux can be infected, here is a good read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses

 

[Percival P. Cassidy]

Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they
had a better product.

OS/2 was also sabotaged by other divisions within IBM. A few days before
Warp 4 was due for release I went into an Egghead Software store and
asked about it, thinking that perhaps they had already received stock
and might be willing to sell me a copy early. They told me, "The IBM guy
was here just a few days ago and said that the whole OS/2 project had
been canceled." Of course that store did have Warp 4 on the advertised
date and I bought it.

I understand that there may be competition between divisions of a large
corporation, but that was ridiculous. I can understand that if I went
into a Buick dealership and said I was trying to decide between a Buick
and Chevrolet they would tell me about the wonderful advantages I would
get from spending the extra money for a Buick, but would they tell me
that Chevrolets were crap and were about to be discontinued? Similarly
for Mercury vs. Ford.

Perce

 

[BillW50]

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OS/2 was also sabotaged by other divisions within IBM. A few days
before Warp 4 was due for release I went into an Egghead Software
store and asked about it, thinking that perhaps they had already
received stock and might be willing to sell me a copy early. They
told me, "The IBM guy was here just a few days ago and said that the
whole OS/2 project had been canceled." Of course that store did have
Warp 4 on the advertised date and I bought it.

I understand that there may be competition between divisions of a
large corporation, but that was ridiculous. I can understand that if
I went into a Buick dealership and said I was trying to decide
between a Buick and Chevrolet they would tell me about the wonderful
advantages I would get from spending the extra money for a Buick, but
would they tell me that Chevrolets were crap and were about to be
discontinued? Similarly for Mercury vs. Ford.

Perce

Of course there would be divisions. Why wouldn't there be? After all,
IBM sunk 2 billion dollars into OS/2 and the more they threw down the
hole, the worse OS/2 got. And of course when Gates broke away from IBM,
IBM stopped selling IBM machines with Windows on them. And what
happened? This hurt IBM's own PCs. They were not selling with OS/2 on
them. As people wanted Windows instead. IBM finally had to save their PC
division and to start putting Windows back on their machines.

Oh course, IBM started OS/2 in the beginning to kill off Microsoft and
Windows. And they were going to use Microsoft to write OS/2 and to use
it to kill them. There is a nifty internal IBM video (which was leaked
and played on PBS) about OS/2. How the plan was that OS/2 would replace
MS-DOS and Windows. And once virtually everybody was running only OS/2
and Microsoft was history. Then they would make OS/2 only compatible
with real IBM PCs only. Thus now killing off all of the clone
manufactures as well.

Gates didn't like this plan at all (of course). And IBM and Microsoft
became sworn enemies. And this probably started to fracture the
divisions within IBM. Which I totally get. As IBM's OS/2 division lofty
goal was blowing up in their face and was taking down the rest of IBM
too.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Why do you have so many?

His heating furnace is out of order.

 

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Alias wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Yawn.

Indeed. A handful of "issues" compared to "Typhoid Microsoft".

Laughable in the extreme.

I work at place that's pretty strict. Both Linux and Windows are required
to run a McAfee "Host based security system". However, Linux is exempt from
the "anti-virus" requirement.

"BillW50"'s silly link shows why; he's not a very sharp tool, is he?

 

[Big Steel]

Alias wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:


Indeed. A handful of "issues" compared to "Typhoid Microsoft".

Laughable in the extreme.

I work at place that's pretty strict. Both Linux and Windows are required
to run a McAfee "Host based security system". However, Linux is exempt from
the "anti-virus" requirement.

"BillW50"'s silly link shows why; he's not a very sharp tool, is he?

Oh, we have a chime-in from Ahlstrom the hypocrite that makes his living
using MS solutions and he is talking smack as usual. He doesn't use
Linux at all to make his living.

Laughable.....