Can't get permission.... AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Valorie *~]

Funny thing is, my Dell came with a user guide booklet, and pressing F1
provides a direct link into Windows Help and Support. (Offline AND Online)
You might try that.

See above. They forgot to include how to get around "permissions" when it
still wouldn't grant them. Or what to do when you couldn't get permission
to rename a file or folder or delete them. And nothing about what to do
when W-7 could communicate with the modem but not detect it when we tried to
use dial-up.

 

[Valorie *~]

Again here you go being vague about your problems. So what specific
programs are you trying to remove? What steps have to taken in trying
to remove these programs?

Norton and two copies of WindowsMail that wouldn't work after the the system
recovery. But I fould this
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1911-take-ownership-shortcut.html and
it worked. But the HP tech helped me remove Norton before I found that
website. I couldn't get permission to remove these programs. They're gone
now.

 

[Valorie *~]

Much to my surprise, last week, I went into Staples Canada and they were
selling laptops "ready to use" which I haven't seen in a very long time.

That's how all the PCs sold here are. Buy it. Take it home. Open the box -
and use it.

 

[Valorie *~]

It seems like an unnecessary hack. But if it worked for you then use it.


No your user account installed nothing if in fact you did use install
software to install the software.

I have no indea what Install Software is. I dragged and dropped WM into the
folders.

The account used to install the software is the Trusted Installer account
which control was relinquished to that account to do.the install. If the
Trusted Installer account installed it, then that account must be used to
remove it.

I have no way to know what installed it. I installed WM but HP installed
Norton. How and with what program I don't know.

Or you could have put the admin user group on the folder with the
permissions needed to remove it manually. But that would require that you
knew how to do it.

In HomePremium I don't see a Admin User Group.

Well, if the user account or user group is not on the file or folder or
the user account or user group is on the is on the file or folder with the
proper permissions, then the user account or user group is going to be
denied the proper access.

And all that is supposed to be easy for a non-tech type to understand?
There was no User Group there. No matter who I granted full privileges, I
still got the need permissions window come up. This was the only thing that
worked.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1911-take-ownership-shortcut.html I
left clicked on them, clicked on "take ownership" and deleted them. In
talking to family they have no such complicated security crap on their MACS.

No, you just don't have the knowledge on how to do it, which a lot of it
is from prior experience in using an o/s like. NT 4, Win 2K, and XP which
were open by default o/s(s) to know what one needs to do in order to do
the same things on Vista or Win 7. Vista and Win 7 are closed by default
o/s(s).

I've never had a window pop up on Vista HomePermium telling me I needed
permission to do anything. I'm on my Vista PC now.

I am glad that MS has closed down the o/s so that one needs to know how to
admin the system with proper permissions and knowledge needed to do so,
closing many of the attack vectors on the machine.

Why doesn't M$ close all the openings and weak spots the attack vectors so
easily breech instead of making it so complicated the average PC user is
also locked out of their own PC?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

And the info you couldn't find anywhere simply falls from the sky into your
brain? ))

It's amazing what a bit of exploration and experimentation can do for
someone who has and uses a brain.

It doesn't need to fall out of the sky, it just takes a reasonable
attitude and a bit of work.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Let me remind YOU that profanity lowers a person to knuckle-dragging status
where I live. Geek and Nerd are not negative terms here. The tech we paid
$150 hr to try and set up a network called himself a Geek and a Nerd. He
was intelligent and made a good living. Don't assume what it means in the
UK is the same as it does here. In the north what we called license plates
for our cars are, in the south, called tags. In the north a hush puppy is a
type of shoe, and in the south a fried corn ball containing seasonings and
onion.

Let me remind YOU that a *lot* of people use the terms geek and nerd
pejoratively, as it seemed to me that you were doing in your post.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

frogger

Perhaps you could tell us what you mean by that word. Google brings up a
lot of references to a game, and a remark that in certain forums the
word "faggot" is automatically replaced by the word "frogger".

 

[johnbee]

< "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

That post was from the person who is spoofing Valorie. >

How do you tell the difference between them?

 

[Nil]

How do you tell the difference between them?

The real one posts from giganews or solani.org

The forger posts from giganews or astraweb.

 

[Nil]

I mis-typed the previous post. Correction:

The real one posts from x-privat.org or solani.org.

The forger posts from giganews or astraweb.

 

[Nil]

I mis-typed the previous post. Correction:

The real one posts from x-privat.org or solani.org.

The forger posts from giganews or astraweb.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

< "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

That post was from the person who is spoofing Valorie. >

How do you tell the difference between them?

From the headers. Can you view them in WLM? If there's no direct way,
then select View message source, or whatever they call it in WLM. The
headers will be visible.

I just did this (in WLM mail, not WLM news - I don't have any news set
up in WLM):
Open a message.
Click on the funny tab at the upper left of the message next to the tab
that says Message.
Choose Properties.
Choose the Details tab.
The headers are in the pane, and there's also a button there to view
source.

The spoofer (that's the wrong word, but it'll have to do till the right
one comes to mind) uses Windows Live Mail and his provider is:
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

The real Valorie uses Windows Mail and her provider is:
NNTP-Posting-Host: $$5lonjgdxpj7l67.news.x-privat.org

There are other differences. You might need them, because the spoofer
might migrate...especially after reading this

Note that I started by noticing that a post ostensibly from Valorie was
totally our of character, which made me look at the headers. I normally
don't displayed most of them until I need them.

 

[R. C. White]

?Hi, Gene.

The quickest way to see the Message Source in OE/WM/WLM is simply to press
<Ctrl><F3> while displaying the email or post. Shows the same view as in
the multi-click approach. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-9/30/10)
Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922) in Win7 Ultimate x64
SP1 RC


"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

< "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

That post was from the person who is spoofing Valorie. >

How do you tell the difference between them?

From the headers. Can you view them in WLM? If there's no direct way,
then select View message source, or whatever they call it in WLM. The
headers will be visible.

I just did this (in WLM mail, not WLM news - I don't have any news set
up in WLM):
Open a message.
Click on the funny tab at the upper left of the message next to the tab
that says Message.
Choose Properties.
Choose the Details tab.
The headers are in the pane, and there's also a button there to view
source.

The spoofer (that's the wrong word, but it'll have to do till the right
one comes to mind) uses Windows Live Mail and his provider is:
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

The real Valorie uses Windows Mail and her provider is:
NNTP-Posting-Host: $$5lonjgdxpj7l67.news.x-privat.org

There are other differences. You might need them, because the spoofer
might migrate...especially after reading this

Note that I started by noticing that a post ostensibly from Valorie was
totally our of character, which made me look at the headers. I normally
don't displayed most of them until I need them.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

?Hi, Gene.

The quickest way to see the Message Source in OE/WM/WLM is simply to press
<Ctrl><F3> while displaying the email or post. Shows the same view as in
the multi-click approach. ;<)

That's the advantage of using a program you know how to use

I don't use the program, I just keep it around so I can look at it to
try to give help to someone or to take a look for myself at a reported
problem.

It didn't take me long to find what I told johnbee, and I though he'd
find it helpful. For people who use the program regularly and who like
keyboard shortcuts, your advice could be more helpful, of course.

I see that Nil provided more information than I did (more than I had
noticed, truth to tell) about the service providers used by the two
Valories.

 

[johnbee]

"R. C. White" wrote in message

?Hi, Gene.

The quickest way to see the Message Source in OE/WM/WLM is simply to press
<Ctrl><F3> while displaying the email or post. Shows the same view as in
the multi-click approach. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-9/30/10)
Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922) in Win7 Ultimate x64
SP1 RC


"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

< "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

That post was from the person who is spoofing Valorie. >

How do you tell the difference between them?

From the headers. Can you view them in WLM? If there's no direct way,
then select View message source, or whatever they call it in WLM. The
headers will be visible.

I just did this (in WLM mail, not WLM news - I don't have any news set
up in WLM):
Open a message.
Click on the funny tab at the upper left of the message next to the tab
that says Message.
Choose Properties.
Choose the Details tab.
The headers are in the pane, and there's also a button there to view
source.

The spoofer (that's the wrong word, but it'll have to do till the right
one comes to mind) uses Windows Live Mail and his provider is:
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

The real Valorie uses Windows Mail and her provider is:
NNTP-Posting-Host: $$5lonjgdxpj7l67.news.x-privat.org

There are other differences. You might need them, because the spoofer
might migrate...especially after reading this

Note that I started by noticing that a post ostensibly from Valorie was
totally our of character, which made me look at the headers. I normally
don't displayed most of them until I need them.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
******************************************************

Thanks for that: I notice that with a bit of right clicking and selecting,
one can see the details without even having to open the message.

 

[Valorie *~]

Its the same thing. How do you think all these people on here don't have
any trouble at all and enjoy working the machines? You know who I mean,
the ones you sneer at, calling them geeks and nerds and other silly names.

Stop trying to make these expressions sound negative. I only wish I were a
nerd or computer geek.

 

[Valorie *~]

The biggest problem with new PC users today is that they want to be
spoon fed the answers to their problems and don't want to have to go
looking for the answers on their own.

If that's what you believe then you all aught to leave this NG. Why spoon
feed anyone when they can Google or buy books and in hours be near
experts... according to another poster here. ;-)

 

[Valorie *~]

However, you can make sure that the computer is OK when bought, and that
the operating system and programs don't fall over unaided by the user -
and we all know from the complaints in here and elsewhere that it
frequently happens that way.

You wont get many of the MS-head "experts" here to agree with you on this
one. They'll remain silent. MS-Head is not a negative, if anyone is
wondering. People who buy W-7 should be give an easy to understand choice
if they want to utilize all the safety features or not.

I tried and can't find this so called "hidden Admin" account on W-7.

 

[Valorie *~]

Actually "unaided by user" is a VERY infrequent occurrence. There is
hardware failure, and bad updates. Pretty much anything else is initiated
by the user, usually knowingly but not understanding the purpose or
results of the changes they inflicted, or in error by way of not
maintaining security.

It's my fault when I click the icon to open EI, it opens and locks up?
Freezes? I don't think so. Just an example.

 

[Valorie *~]

< "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

That post was from the person who is spoofing Valorie. >

How do you tell the difference between them?

Look at the properties window. I don't use giganews.com.