Bit of a historical question: MS-DOS

[Gene Wirchenko]

Hi, Ken.


I've heard that advice many times over the last several years, especially
since MS killed their part of Usenet and crippled WLM. But OE/WM/WLM have
been such a large part of my computing environment for so long (since 1995!)
that I just hate to give it up. It's kind of like an old faithful dog that
needs to be put out of its misery - but I just can't bear to do that, yet.

But the dog won't hunt.

Perhaps after the transition to Win8 is complete in a few months, it will be
the time for me to investigate the several alternatives recommended by you
and others. I do appreciate the advice; I'm just not (quite) ready to
follow it.

I use Forte Agent myself. I like it, and I follow over 150
newsgroups. (Yes, I admit that some of them have little/no traffic,
but some have substantial amounts. rec.arts.sf-written has 875,220
posts on my system.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Polk Salad]

Even though you have the extra work of putting in the >s? Both in
newsgroups and E-mail?

Your choice of course, but for e-mail you might want to consider
Microsoft Outlook, which, as far as I'm concerned, is more like
Outlook Express than Windows Live Mail is. And I like Forte Agent for
a newsreader.

I'm stickin' with what I know works. Winvn & Eudora.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Hi, John.


Yes! As pointed out by Mortimer a few posts down...

Windows Mail, OE's successor that was integrated into Windows Vista
over 5 years ago, discarded OE's All-In-One humongous DBX file approach
and introduced a new scheme. Other more-techie users can describe the
details better than I can, but in WM, each email message is saved in a
separate .eml file, and each newsgroup post in its own .nws file.
Windows Live Mail continues this new scheme.

[]
Thanks for that information. Definitely food for thought!

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I
use them at work], though I do find they _tend_ to integrate more into
the OS - if only by assuming they're the default for more than just
their primary purpose - than I feel comfortable with. But WLM might be
different. [I also can't help thinking "Live" means "assume permanent-on
connection", which is alien to my philosophy. But maybe it doesn't.])

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:09:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

[snip]

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I

Cue or queue the suggestions...

use them at work], though I do find they _tend_ to integrate more into
the OS - if only by assuming they're the default for more than just
their primary purpose - than I feel comfortable with. But WLM might be
different. [I also can't help thinking "Live" means "assume permanent-on
connection", which is alien to my philosophy. But maybe it doesn't.])

I use Qualcomm's Eudora for E-mail and Forte's Agent for USENET.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:09:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

[snip]

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I

Cue or queue the suggestions... []
I use Qualcomm's Eudora for E-mail and Forte's Agent for USENET.

[]
Wow, do _those_ store individual emails/posts in individual files then?
(If so, does it extend to Eudora OSE, which is really Thunderbird?)

 

[krw]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:09:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

[snip]

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I

Cue or queue the suggestions...

use them at work], though I do find they _tend_ to integrate more into
the OS - if only by assuming they're the default for more than just
their primary purpose - than I feel comfortable with. But WLM might be
different. [I also can't help thinking "Live" means "assume permanent-on
connection", which is alien to my philosophy. But maybe it doesn't.])

I use Qualcomm's Eudora for E-mail and Forte's Agent for USENET.

I use Thunderbird and Agent.

I switched to Thunderbird because it has a open email folder format. It was a
PITA to lose a decade of email history.

 

[John Williamson]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:09:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

[snip]

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I

Cue or queue the suggestions...

use them at work], though I do find they _tend_ to integrate more into
the OS - if only by assuming they're the default for more than just
their primary purpose - than I feel comfortable with. But WLM might be
different. [I also can't help thinking "Live" means "assume permanent-on
connection", which is alien to my philosophy. But maybe it doesn't.])

I use Qualcomm's Eudora for E-mail and Forte's Agent for USENET.

I use Thunderbird and Agent.

I switched to Thunderbird because it has a open email folder format. It was a
PITA to lose a decade of email history.

If you switched from Outlook or OE, as long as the .pst file (or its
backup) isn't corrupt, you can import all your e-mail into Thunderbird.

 

[krw]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:09:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

[snip]

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I
Cue or queue the suggestions...

use them at work], though I do find they _tend_ to integrate more into
the OS - if only by assuming they're the default for more than just
their primary purpose - than I feel comfortable with. But WLM might be
different. [I also can't help thinking "Live" means "assume permanent-on
connection", which is alien to my philosophy. But maybe it doesn't.])
I use Qualcomm's Eudora for E-mail and Forte's Agent for USENET.

I use Thunderbird and Agent.

I switched to Thunderbird because it has a open email folder format. It was a
PITA to lose a decade of email history.

If you switched from Outlook or OE, as long as the .pst file (or its
backup) isn't corrupt, you can import all your e-mail into Thunderbird.

No, it was PMMail.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:09:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

[snip]

(Anyone know of email/news software that does this that _isn't_ from
Microsoft? Not that I have a _strong_ prejudice against MS products [I

Cue or queue the suggestions... []
I use Qualcomm's Eudora for E-mail and Forte's Agent for USENET.

[]
Wow, do _those_ store individual emails/posts in individual files then?
(If so, does it extend to Eudora OSE, which is really Thunderbird?)

Oops! I missed that bit. No, Eudora and Agent both put messages
of a mailbox/newsgroup in a file. Each mailbox/newsgroup has its own
file.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[chrisv]

some POS liar that calls itself "GreyCloud" said:


What does that have to do with the question being asked?

Nothing. "GreyCloud" is a senile old fsckwit who mostly just trolls.
He's retired and bored, you see, so finds it "fun" to team-up with
some of the most vile assholes over to troll USENET and attack decent,
honest Linux advocates.

 

[GreyCloud]

Nothing. "GreyCloud" is a senile old fsckwit who mostly just trolls.
He's retired and bored, you see, so finds it "fun" to team-up with
some of the most vile assholes over to troll USENET and attack decent,
honest Linux advocates.

I see you have resorted to trolling a windows newsgroup.

For the rest of the windows users: watch out for this one, as he is
known habitual liar in other newsgroups. Worse, he is one of the worst
potty mouths you'll ever run into.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I see you have resorted to trolling a windows newsgroup.

For the rest of the windows users: watch out for this one, as he is
known habitual liar in other newsgroups. Worse, he is one of the worst
potty mouths you'll ever run into.

He's been here[1] before and is recognized.

[1] Or maybe another place where I hang out, I don't recall.

 

[bd]

In DOS enter the command followed by the slash and a question mark.

i.e. xcopy /?

 

[chrisv]

He's been here[1] before and is recognized.

[1] Or maybe another place where I hang out, I don't recall.

Perhaps you should be more careful about whom you claim to
"recognize", when you can't recall from where.

I've posted essentially nothing outside the Linux advocacy group, in
recent years. Of course, there are some cross-posts.

I'm not like "GreyCloud". Unlike "GreyCloud", I don't go looking for
people to ridicule and harass. Unlike "GreyCloud", I don't troll
newsgroups where I'm not wanted. Unlike "GreyCloud", I don't get my
kicks attacking decent, honest people as "hypocrites", "liars", and
"cult members".

 

[GreyCloud]

He's been here[1] before and is recognized.

[1] Or maybe another place where I hang out, I don't recall.

Perhaps you should be more careful about whom you claim to
"recognize", when you can't recall from where.

I've posted essentially nothing outside the Linux advocacy group, in
recent years. Of course, there are some cross-posts.

I'm not like "GreyCloud". Unlike "GreyCloud", I don't go looking for
people to ridicule and harass. Unlike "GreyCloud", I don't troll
newsgroups where I'm not wanted. Unlike "GreyCloud", I don't get my
kicks attacking decent, honest people as "hypocrites", "liars", and
"cult members".

You are a well known and documented liar and a hypocrite as well.
One of usenets worst potty mouth. And no one here wants to talk to you.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

He's been here[1] before and is recognized.

[1] Or maybe another place where I hang out, I don't recall.

Perhaps you should be more careful about whom you claim to
"recognize", when you can't recall from where.

It doesn't matter that much - I've seen posts from you somewhere. When I
see another I recall the earlier experiences and consequently can figure
out where the deja vu feeling came from.

 

[chrisv]

It doesn't matter that much - I've seen posts from you somewhere. When I
see another I recall the earlier experiences and consequently can figure
out where the deja vu feeling came from.

Uh huh. I sure don't recall seeing your name before.

Be aware, too, that I've been quite-often forged by - you might guess
it - anti-Linux trolls.

Anyway, if your recollection of (the real) me is true, it's of someone
who treats people very much as they deserve to be treated.
Respectable people being treated with respect, and filthy lying
*assholes* like "GreyCloud" getting treated as they deserve.

 

[chrisv]

Anyway, if your recollection of (the real) me is true, it's of someone
who treats people very much as they deserve to be treated.
Respectable people being treated with respect, and filthy lying
*assholes* like "GreyCloud" getting treated as they deserve.

I noticed that there are a couple old .chips guys, (krw and Yousuf
Khan) participating in this thread. They might vouch that I'm not a
bad sort, and that the above is true. Or they might (wisely) choose
to stay out of this silliness. 8)

Hey guys. Glad to see you're still alive. Is 'Tripper still around?

 

[krw]

I noticed that there are a couple old .chips guys, (krw and Yousuf
Khan) participating in this thread. They might vouch that I'm not a
bad sort, and that the above is true. Or they might (wisely) choose
to stay out of this silliness. 8)

Hey guys. Glad to see you're still alive. Is 'Tripper still around?

Never left .chips, just been lurking for five years, or so, though. x86 is so
last century. ;-)

 

[GreyCloud]

Uh huh. I sure don't recall seeing your name before.

Be aware, too, that I've been quite-often forged by - you might guess
it - anti-Linux trolls.

Anyway, if your recollection of (the real) me is true, it's of someone
who treats people very much as they deserve to be treated.
Respectable people being treated with respect, and filthy lying
*assholes* like "GreyCloud" getting treated as they deserve.

Quit trolling. You are a well known anti-windows troll and the worst
potty mouth on usenet.