Attitude

[Nil]

I'M SORRY! I apologize to the entire group for starting such a
rant. I had no idea it would result in pitting so many people
against each other. I think the result bears out my contention
that there are those who are unkind in their responses. Call me
names if you like. My feelings are not hurt. I am not angry but
certainly upset at the end result. You don't have to remind
me of my inexperience. I don't think I'm a bad person. I realize
everyone here with the exception of myself is an expert.

Usenet is a jungle. There's plenty of good information and exchange of
ideas here, but you have to have a thick skin and remember to wear your
groin cup and nose guard. If you can't stand the heat, you know what
the alternative is.

 

[Char Jackson]

With respect, I think you are missing the point now.

How many of the responses to this thread have anything to do with
Windows 7, let alone Ray's original posting? Is this the quality of
decorum to be expected in a 'technical' newsgroup?

Sorry, it looked to me like you were complaining about getting
criticized, so I thought it would be worthwhile to point out that most
of the criticism was directed toward the shop, not toward you or the
OS.

 

[Wolf K]

I'M SORRY! I apologize to the entire group for starting such a rant.
I had no idea it would result in pitting so many people against each
other. I think the result bears out my contention that there are those
who are unkind in their responses. Call me names if you like. My
feelings are not hurt. I am not angry but certainly upset at the end
result. You don’t have to remind me of my inexperience. I don't
think I'm a bad person. I realize everyone here with the exception of
myself is an expert.

Don't apologise for other people. The jerks know who they are.

On second thought, they probably don't.

 

[Scott]

Sorry, it looked to me like you were complaining about getting
criticized, so I thought it would be worthwhile to point out that most
of the criticism was directed toward the shop, not toward you or the
OS.

So does this thread represent the quality of decorum to be expected in
a technical newsgroup? A fairly simple question.

 

[VanguardLH]

I'M SORRY! I apologize to the entire group for starting such a rant.
I had no idea it would result in pitting so many people against each
other.

Nah, we're having fun jostling with each other. Well, some F's do come
here just to flame.

So who was the "offensive" poster that instigated your complaint? In
your PDF discussion, was it the joker that responded with the
Aspie-Normal comment (Justin)? Looks like Scott thinks it is him but I
don't see where you two had an interaction (other than in this thread).

Side note: All caps represents yelling, including in your changed
Subject header (which can break threading in some clients).

 

[VanguardLH]

How many of the responses to this thread have anything to do with
Windows 7, let alone Ray's original posting? Is this the quality of
decorum to be expected in a 'technical' newsgroup?

We're just some off-topic jostling fun here. Someone brought in some
bubble wrap so we paused to have some fun popping the bubbles.

When did you and Ray have a negative interaction here? Ray said, "I
recently posted a question and the answer I got was a person who made me
feel stupid for asking." He instigated this thread because *he* felt
slighted, not as a disconnected post to announce a general opinion
regarding the demeanor of this newsgroup. Ray didn't mention the thread
to know in which one he felt insulted but I don't think he was talking
about you. In his PDF thread, you said "the one we use at work" in
response to Ken and that wasn't insulting nor about Windows 8. In the
thread asking about "newsgroups for Windows 8", yeah, you voiced your
opinion but Ray didn't participate there.

Why do you think Ray implied you were his nemesis?

 

[philo]

Nah, we're having fun jostling with each other. Well, some F's do come
here just to flame.

So who was the "offensive" poster that instigated your complaint? In
your PDF discussion, was it the joker that responded with the
Aspie-Normal comment (Justin)? Looks like Scott thinks it is him but I
don't see where you two had an interaction (other than in this thread).

Side note: All caps represents yelling, including in your changed
Subject header (which can break threading in some clients).

I'm convinced that half the reason people post in Usenet it just to
blow off some steam and get into a good argument.

Anyway...no need to take it personally

 

[VanguardLH]

I'm convinced that half the reason people post in Usenet it just to
blow off some steam and get into a good argument.

Anyway...no need to take it personally

I you do, they win.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I'M SORRY! I apologize to the entire group for starting such a rant. I
had no idea it would result in pitting so many people against each other. I
think the result bears out my contention that there are those who are unkind
in their responses. Call me names if you like. My feelings are not hurt.
I am not angry but certainly upset at the end result. You don¢t have to
remind me of my inexperience. I don't think I'm a bad person. I realize
everyone here with the exception of myself is an expert.

Like others here, I think you should ignore the vituperative posters and
enjoy the other ones.

And especially, don't blame yourself.

Yeah, it's easy to give advice. I also try to do what I suggested, and I
even succeed on occasion.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Well, you won't know it's crap until you read it. So the advice should
be "Don't give 'em the satisfaction of replying to their crap so they
know you read it" which boils down to "Don't feed the trolls".

Agreed. But if someone replies to a question with a nasty stupid dumbass
answer, you can be sure I wont be downloading and reading any more replies
from that person.

 

[Scott]

Nah, we're having fun jostling with each other. Well, some F's do come
here just to flame.

So who was the "offensive" poster that instigated your complaint? In
your PDF discussion, was it the joker that responded with the
Aspie-Normal comment (Justin)? Looks like Scott thinks it is him but I
don't see where you two had an interaction (other than in this thread).

I did not mean to imply it was me. I was merely commenting on the
apparent inconsistency that my disrespectful description of Windows 8
(an inanimate object) was described as 'obnoxious' whilst this thread
contains language that is gratuitously offensive towards an
individual.

 

[Scott]

We're just some off-topic jostling fun here. Someone brought in some
bubble wrap so we paused to have some fun popping the bubbles.

When did you and Ray have a negative interaction here? Ray said, "I
recently posted a question and the answer I got was a person who made me
feel stupid for asking." He instigated this thread because *he* felt
slighted, not as a disconnected post to announce a general opinion
regarding the demeanor of this newsgroup. Ray didn't mention the thread
to know in which one he felt insulted but I don't think he was talking
about you. In his PDF thread, you said "the one we use at work" in
response to Ken and that wasn't insulting nor about Windows 8. In the
thread asking about "newsgroups for Windows 8", yeah, you voiced your
opinion but Ray didn't participate there.

Why do you think Ray implied you were his nemesis?

As I said elsewhere, I was not seeking to make any connection between
me and Ray. Reading my post carefully will confirm this.

The point I was making was the apparent inconsistency that my somewhat
disrespectful descripton of Windows 8 was described as 'obnoxious' but
people think it's okay to conduct themselves in a grossly offensive
manner towards Ray. In football it's called 'going for the man not
the ball' and personally I don't regard it as a particularly dignified
way to conduct a newsgroup.

 

[VanguardLH]

As I said elsewhere, I was not seeking to make any connection between
me and Ray. Reading my post carefully will confirm this.

I saw you replied to Ray so I figured you thought Ray referred to you.
Apparently you were chiming in with Ray regarding the "colorful"
demeanor of some posters here (and elsewhere, too). Compared to some
newsgroups (kooks, advocacy, politics, religion, 24hoursupport), this
place is timid.

The point I was making was the apparent inconsistency that my somewhat
disrespectful descripton of Windows 8 was described as 'obnoxious' but
people think it's okay to conduct themselves in a grossly offensive
manner towards Ray. In football it's called 'going for the man not
the ball' and personally I don't regard it as a particularly dignified
way to conduct a newsgroup.

No matter how little you wander from neutrality, there are plenty of
extremely unbalanced bipolar visitors in Usenet. The slightest waver
either direction of neutral topples them over to one side or the other.

I'm reminded of Alan Connor who years ago proselytized his personal
unpublished feat of writing up the ultimate anti-spam solution which
turned out to be a simplistic challenge-response (C-R) scheme. His was
100% effective and all other anti-spam schemes were far inferior. Those
that agreed with him (but didn't know how SMTP works) were saints.
Anyone that disagreed with him, even if very professional and neutral in
their responses, was the spawn of satan. Anyone that tried to get him
to divulge how his his perfect anti-spam program worked were deviants if
they even hinted at hesitation in believing him regarding his vaguely
described perfect solution. You had to be careful while digging out the
info which turned out to be a script (I forget the language) that
emulated a very simplistic C-R scheme and required way too much
maintenance. He'd swing between extremes of perceiving someone as his
bosom buddy or his extreme foe and no where between.

Because I wanted to see if he really had anything, I had to be very
neutral while behaving as a complete newbie to SMTP to get him to
divulge anything but the moment you pushed for more info beyond his
vague descriptions then he got defensive. He first thought he had me as
an ally (because I was this boob that couldn't possibly understand SMTP
or C-R schemes). He was so pleasant when he thought I agreed with his
belief that C-R is a good thing to get back at spammers. When it became
clear what he had was a hodge-podge script that he culled from other
sources, implemented a very weak C-R scheme, and required tons of
maintenance, and after I cited why C-R is ineffective against spammers
and hits innocents with the challenge spam, I then instantly got on his
shit list.

Besides the profanity and ranting, his typical response was he would
killfile anyone that didn't 100% agree with his viewpoint and believe
his claims of coding the ultimate C-R program. He never kept his
promise as that would deprive him of his favorite past time: trolling.
It was quite laughable how he would supposedly killfile all anti-CR
responders but he somehow had a crystal ball to see when they posted
about them and then he would reply he didn't see their post. His nym
became the "poster boy" that exemplified bipolar disorder.

 

[FDK]

"Alias" wrote in message

Alan Connor is still here. His nym is BillW50 now and you just gave a
perfect description of the troll.

And of course you're not trolling.

Amazing - so many hypocrites here.

 

[Wolf K]

:

On 07/12/2012 11:07 PM, VanguardLH wrote: [...]
It is self-derogatory to expose your failings regarding mental retention
when reading posts that outstrip your ability to cogitate a response or
imply that you aren't proud of your own posts. You just keep shooting
yourself in your own foot.

"Mental retention"????
"Cogitate a response"????

Nice example of why people shouldn't use thesauruses.

I didn't use one. Those phrases were difficult for you to comprehend.

I understood very well that you are aiming for a register that you
haven't mastered.

HTH

Oh, I see we see have a gov't worker in our crowd.
Sorry if I offended.
I'll speak s-l-o-w-e-r.

Oh, I see we have an idjit in our midst. Sorry, I'll use language you
can understand:

You have not mastered the formal academic language that you aspire to.
Why you aspire to a level of language beyond your capacity is something
you should take up with your psychiatrist.

 

[Ray]

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

I'M SORRY! I apologize to the entire group for starting such a rant.

Like others here, I think you should ignore the vituperative posters and
enjoy the other ones.
And especially, don't blame yourself.

Yeah, it's easy to give advice. I also try to do what I suggested, and I
even succeed on occasion. --
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Thanks, Gene

I've seen this situation in other newsgroups and know that it isn't
uncommon. I know that the best response is no response but sometimes you
feel like you just have to.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

But I have to give you a piece of (admittedly unsolicited) technical
advice. Don't enter your reply after the signature delimiter, that is
the two dashes and a space. Enter it on lines before that, and make sure
those three characters above are on a separate line..

Why? Note that your response isn't quoted here. It's an automatic result
of that placement of the reply.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Agreed. But if someone replies to a question with a nasty stupid dumbass
answer, you can be sure I wont be downloading and reading any more replies
from that person.

In this way, you are assuming that no one ever makes a
once-in-a-lifetime mistake.

 

[Wolf K]

In this way, you are assuming that no one ever makes a
once-in-a-lifetime mistake.

Or that no one ever plays tit-for-tat.

 

[VanguardLH]

On 08/12/2012 6:23 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
:

On 07/12/2012 11:07 PM, VanguardLH wrote: [...]
It is self-derogatory to expose your failings regarding mental retention
when reading posts that outstrip your ability to cogitate a response or
imply that you aren't proud of your own posts. You just keep shooting
yourself in your own foot.

"Mental retention"????
"Cogitate a response"????

Nice example of why people shouldn't use thesauruses.

I didn't use one. Those phrases were difficult for you to comprehend.

I understood very well that you are aiming for a register that you
haven't mastered.

HTH

Oh, I see we see have a gov't worker in our crowd.
Sorry if I offended.
I'll speak s-l-o-w-e-r.

Oh, I see we have an idjit in our midst. Sorry, I'll use language you
can understand:

You have not mastered the formal academic language that you aspire to.
Why you aspire to a level of language beyond your capacity is something
you should take up with your psychiatrist.

I have been judged by the Almighty Wolf.
Wolf has decreed who shall say what.
Sorry, I don't do requests.