You need administrator permission etc.

[Bob I]

That's excellent rhetoric and very good selling technique. I can imagine
the computer-illiterate hanging on every simile and metaphor with the
rapt attention of the semi-hypnotised.
The way UAC works also produces a feeling of confidence. It turns things
black, pops in like a jack-in-the-box and gives you the feeling that
it's there in the background with your best interests in its beating heart.
And then in it comes;
Do you really want to do this?
Yes.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
Well then Dave, I ask you to think again, bearing in mind that I'm the
biggest and fastest brain ever built.
Ok then, Dave, I respect your superiority in these matters, but I must
be my own man.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
I'll ask you one last time, are you sure?
Yes I am sure.
Well then, I'll let you do it this time, Dave.

And then a short time later you want to use the same program again;
Do you really want to do this?
Yes.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
Well then Dave, I ask you to think again, bearing in mind that I'm the
biggest and fastest brain ever built.
Ok then, Dave, I respect your superiority in these matters, but I must
be my own man.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
I'll ask you one last time, are you sure?
Yes I am sure.
Well then, I'll let you do it this time, Dave.

And then a short time later..................

This sort of stuff can only feel supportive to a mentally deficient
hominid.

Ed

And the poor guy that has had his banking account stripped clean after
he installed the keylogger says what?

 

[Char Jackson]

And the poor guy that has had his banking account stripped clean after
he installed the keylogger says what?

I wonder how many times the average non-savvy user clicks Continue
before he or she becomes mentally conditioned to proceed past every
UAC prompt.

 

[Johnbee]

<
"Tony Vella" wrote in message
I have just bought my first win7 machine and so far all is OK except for one
annoying feature. When trying to make some changes - the latest is trying
to rename a folder - I get a message saying I need administrator's
permission or whatever to make the change. I am the only one using the
machine and no one else has or will touch it. How can I avoid this annoying
"administrator" warning? This never happened on my Vista or my wife's XP.

Thanks in advance.
[/QUOTE]

On the Start bar, (I have mine at bottom so bear that in mind) at the right
hand side are some little teeny things. Hover over them with the cursor.
If that doesn't work, there will be a chevron mark - click it and hover over
the little tiny things that come up.

One of them will be Action Center.

That's the one you want to click on. When you do, one of the options on
screen will be 'User Account Control'. Click on it and lower the protection
(you will see what I mean) level. That will do the trick once you have
fiddled with it a bit.

When you post a message asking for help, never never never say thanks in
advance. It stinks of being a lazy grabbing sod.. If you are helped, say
thanks.

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

No. They're just stock situations that only help the naive and idiots.
If you want protection against malware get a firewall and some AV, as I
do.
Once you've become something more than just a novice in Win7, provided
that you have a brain, you can do better without the UAC.

A firewall is little use until you're infected.
An AV will only detect known malware, or maybe malware that behaves in some
recognizable way.

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

I wonder how many times the average non-savvy user clicks Continue
before he or she becomes mentally conditioned to proceed past every
UAC prompt.

Well yes, that is a good point

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

That's excellent rhetoric and very good selling technique. I can imagine
the computer-illiterate hanging on every simile and metaphor with the rapt
attention of the semi-hypnotised.
The way UAC works also produces a feeling of confidence. It turns things
black, pops in like a jack-in-the-box and gives you the feeling that it's
there in the background with your best interests in its beating heart.
And then in it comes;
Do you really want to do this?
Yes.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
Well then Dave, I ask you to think again, bearing in mind that I'm the
biggest and fastest brain ever built.
Ok then, Dave, I respect your superiority in these matters, but I must be
my own man.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
I'll ask you one last time, are you sure?
Yes I am sure.
Well then, I'll let you do it this time, Dave.

And then a short time later you want to use the same program again;
Do you really want to do this?
Yes.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
Well then Dave, I ask you to think again, bearing in mind that I'm the
biggest and fastest brain ever built.
Ok then, Dave, I respect your superiority in these matters, but I must be
my own man.
Are you sure?
Sure I'm sure.
I'll ask you one last time, are you sure?
Yes I am sure.
Well then, I'll let you do it this time, Dave.

And then a short time later..................

What kind of weird stuff do you do on your PC?

I rarely see a UAC prompt.

 

[Ed Cryer]

A firewall is little use until you're infected.
An AV will only detect known malware, or maybe malware that behaves in some
recognizable way.

A firewall is little use until you're infected? Rubbish!

AV will only detect KNOWN viruses? Do you have some criterion for
recognising UNKNOWN ones? Apart from, that is, asking the user to decide
at every juncture?

Ed

 

[Ed Cryer]

What kind of weird stuff do you do on your PC?

Well, there's the UAC program itself for a start.

I think that's the dividing line in this debate. Experienced users who
regularly run OS utilities and all those little tinkering programs
scattered about the Web, they're the ones who will find UAC a pain in
the neck.

Ed

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

On 30/10/2011 22:50, Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:21:03 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

On 30/10/2011 17:07, mick wrote:
Go to Control Panel, User Accounts, click on Change User Account
Settings and then set the slider to what suits you.

I think most of us regulars here have slid that slider right down to
zero. But that isn't advisable for a beginner in Win7. Maybe in a few
months.

I must be the exception: I have it on the second-from-the-top
position, so that I get the black screen and everything.(*) I don't
find the warnings overly numerous, even though (so far) all of them
warnings have come for actions I actually did initiate.

I agree.
Those warnings are there for a reason, namely so that you will know if
malware tries to mess with your system.


(*) Well, I *did*, and when I can restore my Windows 7 system I will
again. See my "BOOTMGR not found" message, posted a few minutes ago.


No. They're just stock situations that only help the naive and idiots.
If you want protection against malware get a firewall and some AV, as I
do.
Once you've become something more than just a novice in Win7, provided
that you have a brain, you can do better without the UAC.

A firewall is little use until you're infected.
An AV will only detect known malware, or maybe malware that behaves in
some
recognizable way.

A firewall is little use until you're infected? Rubbish!

If there is nothing malitious on ly PC it won't be trying to make unwanted
connections out via the internet.
My router will already stop unwanted incoming conenctions, but they wouldn't
be able to connect to anything anyway unless there was already something
nasty running on my PC.

AV will only detect KNOWN viruses? Do you have some criterion for
recognising UNKNOWN ones? Apart from, that is, asking the user to decide
at every juncture?

Well prompting before allowing anything significant to happen when a web
page exploits something and tries to install something nasty helps a lot.

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

Sorry let me try that again without the speeling mistooks

On 30/10/2011 22:50, Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:21:03 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

On 30/10/2011 17:07, mick wrote:
Go to Control Panel, User Accounts, click on Change User Account
Settings and then set the slider to what suits you.

I think most of us regulars here have slid that slider right down to
zero. But that isn't advisable for a beginner in Win7. Maybe in a few
months.

I must be the exception: I have it on the second-from-the-top
position, so that I get the black screen and everything.(*) I don't
find the warnings overly numerous, even though (so far) all of them
warnings have come for actions I actually did initiate.

I agree.
Those warnings are there for a reason, namely so that you will know if
malware tries to mess with your system.


(*) Well, I *did*, and when I can restore my Windows 7 system I will
again. See my "BOOTMGR not found" message, posted a few minutes ago.


No. They're just stock situations that only help the naive and idiots.
If you want protection against malware get a firewall and some AV, as I
do.
Once you've become something more than just a novice in Win7, provided
that you have a brain, you can do better without the UAC.

A firewall is little use until you're infected.
An AV will only detect known malware, or maybe malware that behaves in
some
recognizable way.

A firewall is little use until you're infected? Rubbish!

If there is nothing malicious on my PC it won't be trying to make unwanted
connections out via the internet. My router will already stop unwanted
incoming connections, but they wouldn't be able to connect to anything
anyway unless there was already something nasty running on my PC.

AV will only detect KNOWN viruses? Do you have some criterion for
recognising UNKNOWN ones? Apart from, that is, asking the user to decide
at every juncture?

Well prompting before allowing anything significant to happen when a web
page exploits something to get admin rights and tries to install something
nasty helps a lot.

 

[Ed Cryer]

Sorry let me try that again without the speeling mistooks

On 30/10/2011 22:50, Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:21:03 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

On 30/10/2011 17:07, mick wrote:
Go to Control Panel, User Accounts, click on Change User Account
Settings and then set the slider to what suits you.

I think most of us regulars here have slid that slider right down to
zero. But that isn't advisable for a beginner in Win7. Maybe in a few
months.

I must be the exception: I have it on the second-from-the-top
position, so that I get the black screen and everything.(*) I don't
find the warnings overly numerous, even though (so far) all of them
warnings have come for actions I actually did initiate.

I agree.
Those warnings are there for a reason, namely so that you will know if
malware tries to mess with your system.


(*) Well, I *did*, and when I can restore my Windows 7 system I will
again. See my "BOOTMGR not found" message, posted a few minutes ago.


No. They're just stock situations that only help the naive and idiots.
If you want protection against malware get a firewall and some AV, as I
do.
Once you've become something more than just a novice in Win7, provided
that you have a brain, you can do better without the UAC.

A firewall is little use until you're infected.
An AV will only detect known malware, or maybe malware that behaves in
some
recognizable way.

A firewall is little use until you're infected? Rubbish!

If there is nothing malicious on my PC it won't be trying to make unwanted
connections out via the internet. My router will already stop unwanted
incoming connections, but they wouldn't be able to connect to anything
anyway unless there was already something nasty running on my PC.

AV will only detect KNOWN viruses? Do you have some criterion for
recognising UNKNOWN ones? Apart from, that is, asking the user to decide
at every juncture?

Well prompting before allowing anything significant to happen when a web
page exploits something to get admin rights and tries to install something
nasty helps a lot.

My AV vets all websites.

My firewall only allows outgoings from programs that I've approved. It's
set to question me about anything not on that list.
Admittedly that doesn't cover something like a worm that might read the
address book and post a clone of itself to everyone in it using my email
program; but both the firewall and my AV have vetted incoming stuff.

Scenario not covered by the above:
A radically new worm gets in, does its stuff, disables firewall and
sends out.
Now, that might be caught by your UAC; but I propose that the interface
message with the user would not be different in kind from all the many
others which he's become acclimatised to just clicking away, and so he'd
be likely to just do that there too.

Ed

 

[Bob I]

I wonder how many times the average non-savvy user clicks Continue
before he or she becomes mentally conditioned to proceed past every
UAC prompt.

What legitimate action could the user be doing that would require
overriding the UAC that often? Misusing folders in the certain knowledge
that "they are smarter" than the builder of the operating system.
Perhaps "they" believe "they know what they are doing"so feel justified
in editing the security permissions? Ah yes, and the "it's my computer
and I'll run it as I see fit". That would be the reason we see the
number of whining, dummy spitting rants we do. Funny ain't it.
My computer...been using.. <insert number of years>... stupid M$.... how
the @$?#%...do I..<insert simple task>...blah..blah.blah.#$%^M$. etc.

Two weeks latter.

Stupid M$ operating system..BSOD AGAIN...how do I sue those @>@>#..
bast%$#%. they screwed MY COMPUTER UP AGAIN.

And as a wise man once said, so it's something about USING ones brain,
not just having one.

 

[Char Jackson]

What legitimate action could the user be doing that would require
overriding the UAC that often? <snip>

Installing software and changing any of dozens of system settings come
to mind.

 

[Bob I]

Installing software and changing any of dozens of system settings come
to mind.

"average non-savvy user clicks Continue"

 

[Char Jackson]

"average non-savvy user clicks Continue"

Your post ended abruptly, before you made your point.

 

[Bob I]

Your post ended abruptly, before you made your point.

You DON'T see the incongruity in YOUR two replies?!?!?!