XP Mode Question

[Todd]

Don't you tell me what I bought or didn't buy from Crucial. For your info,
I built this Abit IC7-G, and not as a bare boner, installed in an Ensign
MidTower... case, and when I say 4 Meg, it's 4 Meg... and Window7 in
according to conferencing's, will only recognize 3. I didn't say the
other meg got lost, it just recognizes 3....

I have several 32 bit M$ Server 2003 and once upon a time a W8 32 bit
server. None of them recognize all 4 GB of ram. This included
virtual machine as well.

But, I must say, since I never went over about 2.5 GB of usage,
it also was not a issue. So, I never agonized over it.

-T

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Ah hell Nil, your examples of Linux flaws are paltry. I am
the one who found the flaw in Linux where writing a data DVD
WIPED OUT YOUR HARD DRIVE! (Red Hat fixed it for me.) I have
never had M$'s stuff ever do anything like that to me. Disappear
a few directories every so often, but nothing like that.

<SNIP>

Todd, were you aware that you replied to Paul and called him Nil?

 

[Todd]

<SNIP>

Todd, were you aware that you replied to Paul and called him Nil?

Oops. My bad. Thank you for the heads up. :'[

-T

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Oops. My bad. Thank you for the heads up. :'[

-T

Of course it's a mistake I never made (yeah, right!).

But I won't forgive you until you drop the dollar sign

 

[Todd]

Oops. My bad. Thank you for the heads up. :'[

-T

Of course it's a mistake I never made (yeah, right!).

But I won't forgive you until you drop the dollar sign

Don't think I can. It is so common that it has long
since ceased to be an insult. And so many others who write
me use it. My M$ supplier even uses it. IT'S EVERYWHERE!
If M$ ever was bad manners, it has not been so for a very
long time.



-T

p.s. A lot of former insults have be taken as endearments,
"yankee" for example.

 

[BillW50]

On 6/15/2011 5:13 PM, Todd wrote:
[...]

Yes, sound is course. You missed scanning and wireless
networking: more miserable. I don't have a problem with grep.
If you are going to bitch about Linux, you need to take a number
way, way behind me. I almost lost my entire business twice
to that bug. Fortunately, you can back up EVERYTHING in linux and
do a complete restore (took three hours, twice). And, I am a
backup whore. Try that with M$ OS's.

I understand about Linux, but what about trying to backup Windows? I do
it all of the time.

My point is they M$ and Linux both have their problems and their
places. Playing evangelist is just a waste of time.

By the way, I work on about three W7 machines a week: I have a
lot of experience with them.

You guys that love W7 are hearting to me. Means somewhere
W7 is actually working well for some people. I got to say,
I don't see it. W7 works almost and is pretty unstable.
That being said, I did not take my own advice and forgot to
make a restore point after configuring a network share
for a customer. Yesterday, it was gone. Ye-ol crash and roll
back, again. W7 is not stable. But, you can work with
it if you remember to make your restore points. (And follow
your own advice!)

Well I hear about 20% of Windows users don't like Windows 7 and I am one
of the 20%. But I never found Windows 7 to be unstable. But I never
found any version of Windows to be unstable besides Windows ME.

I just don't like Windows 7 (and Vista) treating the user as an idiot
for one. I think it is an insult. The file manager is terrible and it
takes more mouse clicks to do some common tasks. Then there is the
compatibility problem which about 5% of my Windows software won't run
under Windows 7. But stability isn't one of my problems.

And, while we are being eclectic here, I really love when
Mac users make fun of M$'s stability while they reboot
their computer in front of you from its last crash.

I used to be a contractor for Apple for two years. And it was funny,
Macs locked up all of the time and they had to reboot. Only one computer
in the whole place never needed a reboot. And that was one machine
running Windows and using the UPS software.

 

[Paul]

I used to be a contractor for Apple for two years. And it was funny,
Macs locked up all of the time and they had to reboot. Only one computer
in the whole place never needed a reboot. And that was one machine
running Windows and using the UPS software.

This is how you keep the old Macintoshes running

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macsbug

"where they could type ES to Exit to Shell (force quit
the crashed application and return to the Finder)"

Ah, that brings back memories.

The machines with MacOSX on them, aren't nearly the same.
When you ran the old machines, you felt more like a
"developer" than a "user".

Paul

 

[BillW50]

Hi Bill,

Well, maybe because the discourse is uncivil? I have administered
Red Hat servers for over 15 years. I commonly use 4 GB in 32 bit
systems and all were reported. One time I only got 512 MB reported
and that turned out to be a bios problem. I have never heard of
the distro you cite. Nice thing about linux, if one distro doesn't work
for you, try another.

Oh, and he sounds exactly like a "Real Linux User".

Naw... Alias isn't a real Linux user, trust me. Alias gets so many
things wrong that it would be just impossible. I once asked Alias if
they ever used terminal mode before to fix something in Linux. And Alias
said they never been in there before. Trust me, a person who claims to
be a Linux user and never uses terminal mode isn't a real Linux user.

Uncivil? Hardly. Red Hat? Some don't even consider Red Hat as Linux.
Don't ask me why? I don't get it. Maybe it has to do with putting in
proprietary code into it, not sure. I guess some people think that only
open source is Linux and those that isn't is something else.

Never heard of the 1GB limit under Xandros? Xandros isn't a free distro
of Linux BTW. It costs money just like Windows does. And I am sure if
you do a search for "Xandros 2GB" you will find many examples of this
limitation.

Speaking about other Linux distros... well there are hundreds of them.
And frankly after trying a handful of them you get tired of reinstalling
all of the time. That is not what most people buy computers for, just to
waste time reinstalling OS of them. Then learning how this dang distro
works and discovering this one won't work either.

The best Linux distros I found were the ones which the computer already
comes with Linux on them. As all of the major problems has been worked
out already including the drivers. But this is why Windows is so
successful as well. If it doesn't work right, you take it back to the
store and get one that works. The manufactures get smart really fast
that way. And the free Linux distros, well nobody gets smart because
there is no incentive to. ;-)

 

[XS11E]

But I won't forgive you until you drop the dollar sign

I just figure people who use the $ sign are too immature to merit a reply.

 

[Todd]

what about trying to backup Windows? I do it all of the time.

Funny, as I write this, my XP VM crashes and I am restoring its
entire virtual hard drive from my weekly full Linux backup.
Hmmm, Saturday's is bad. I will try the week before.

Backup or restore? I have found over the years that you can
only reliable restore the data. And it seems like the more
money you spend on backup software, recovery disks and all,
the worse the are. I usually wind up reformatting (the long
one) and reinstalling Windows. then restoring the apps, then
the data. Come to think about it, reinstalling that way removes
all the sins of the past and starts over. It may be a good
thing, even if it is a pain in the neck.

Most of my experience restoring Windows is with M$ servers.
Workstation users are hard to get to backup or use UPS's.
I selling them stuff they don't need you see. "And, besides,
this computer only cost $400.00 at Cost Co. I'll just buy
another one if this one crashes. I don't need you." (All
I can do is be sympathetic when they loose all their
intellectual data.)

Is you experience different restoring than mine? What backup software
do you use on Windows? (I use Cobian Backup -- love the shadow copy.)

Well I hear about 20% of Windows users don't like Windows 7 and I am one
of the 20%. But I never found Windows 7 to be unstable. But I never
found any version of Windows to be unstable besides Windows ME.

I speculate that you are thinking a spectacular crash with W7. I
am bitching about all the little gotchas. The crash and roll
back an especial pain in my neck, especially when I forget
to make extra restore points.

Interesting you mention ME. If I remember ME, it had its problems.
98 was much better. The worst OS M$ ever produced, the one M$
marketing weasels said was "the most tested and compatible operating
system ever", had to be Vista. I have had customers in tears over it.
My blood runs cold whenever I have to work on one because I know
I can not give back the customer something nice. Had Vista SP1
and SP2 (sp2 did a good job) take a day each to install. Geez!

I just don't like Windows 7 (and Vista) treating the user as an idiot
for one. I think it is an insult. The file manager is terrible and it
takes more mouse clicks to do some common tasks. Then there is the
compatibility problem which about 5% of my Windows software won't run
under Windows 7. But stability isn't one of my problems.

I see them only after the fact. So, I get a face full of it. Usually
the customer does not know what is happening and thinks they are
doing it themselves.

If you ever get a chance to look at Linux's KDE4 desktop, which also
crashes a lot, you will be surprised how much M$ imitated it, including
the crashing. (I recommend Xfce to my Linux customers -- love it.)

My wish for an OS is that it is minimal, gets out of my way, and
supports my apps. When I am working, I do not want to know my
OS even exists. This is why I love Xfce. Oh boy am I even not
going to get my wish with Windows 8, iPad edition. I really,
really despise an OS that thinks it has to be an "amusement park".

I used to be a contractor for Apple for two years. And it was funny,
Macs locked up all of the time and they had to reboot. Only one computer
in the whole place never needed a reboot. And that was one machine
running Windows and using the UPS software.

I see this occationally. I am tempted to say all the time, but I don't
get a lot of Mac work. (A computer is a computer is a computer: it's
a living.) What gets me the most is the smug attitude while they are
rebooting. It has been said that if Apple ever goes out of business,
the only thing that will be left will be an air of condescension.

-T

 

[Todd]

Some don't even consider Red Hat as Linux

Never heard that. Doesn't mean it hasn't been said.
Love Red Hat. Very professinal.

The best Linux distros I found were the ones which the computer already comes with Linux on them.

Agreed. Unless, of course, I am the one doing the installing.

Do a few of custom XP computers here and there. Occasionally
a Linux and/or Windows server as well. I like using ECC
memory, enterprise hard drives, nVidia video cards, Hi Rel
power supplies. Yada, yada. Things you'd never get from
a box store because of the extra price. Love RAID. Can't
seems to get some customers with critical workstations
to use RAID. ("400 extra dollars!") It's a living!

-T

 

[Leon Manfredi]

You will have better credibility when you learn the difference between Meg
and Gig.

Please tell us what memory chip you managed to purchase that's 4MB or less
in size to put into 1 or more of the 4 slots on that motherboard for a total
installed size of 4MB?

Here, I will even link you to the page on Crucial for that motherboard to
help out...
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=IC7-G v1.0&Cat=RAM

Dude, you mean GB, not MB. That's what people are pointing out.

I'm thinking I stand corrected.... What did you all expect from an old
fart....

 

[Leon Manfredi]

Don't waste your time. He won't listen to you - he thinks we're all
"dummies."

In your case.... I know!!!!!!

 

[Todd]

I'm thinking I stand corrected.... What did you all expect from an old
fart....

Old Fart!!! Hay that's my ... You mean there is more than one?



-T

 

[Nil]

In your case.... I know!!!!!!

Oh, snap! You slammed me but good, girl!


How many megabytes you got there?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I just figure people who use the $ sign are too immature to merit a reply.

Especially those who can't write it any other way. I feel the same
about the z word too

 

[BillW50]

In

I've used the terminal in both Linux and Windows, liar.

I did a quick search and you are right, but you haven't used it in ages.
Real Linux users use terminal mode more often than in ages. LOL

And you are clueless about the Linux kernal and that Linux has no
problem with 4GB. Do a search on "Xandros 2GB" and be educated.

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Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:03:15 +0200
From: Alias <[email protected].¡nval¡d>
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Ever hear of cmd in Windows? I haven't used a terminal in ages. Linux
isn't just for geeks anymore.

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[BillW50]

In

This is how you keep the old Macintoshes running

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macsbug

"where they could type ES to Exit to Shell (force quit
the crashed application and return to the Finder)"

Ah, that brings back memories.

The machines with MacOSX on them, aren't nearly the same.
When you ran the old machines, you felt more like a
"developer" than a "user".

Paul

Fascinating Paul! ;-)

 

[BillW50]

In

Ubuntu and Mint have been showing all my RAM since 06 without me
knowing how to compile a kernel. I've never said I am a programmer or
an expert on Linux.

Is that so? Then why in the Ubuntu and Mint forums, those that has 4GB
installed can't see the whole 4GB?

Linux Mint Forums . View topic - How much RAM can Mint XFCE make use of?
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=17530

How much RAM does Linux recognize? - Ubuntu Forums
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=696076

Why is it *only* you and you alone who has Mint and Ubuntu and can see
the whole 4GB since 2006? Yet these posts are from 2008 and they still
couldn't see it? And according to:

Physical Address Extension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

No Linux could see the whole 4GB until 2009 and *only* if they used a
PAE-enabled kernel. And not all of them do. And even just one year ago,
here are examples of Linux users still not able to see the whole 4GB of
RAM even with a PAE-enabled kernel.

Mandriva Forum (en) . View topic - PAE Kernel Support on Desktop
http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?t=128355

It is really funny how *your* Linux can do things that nobody else Linux
can do. Ever wonder why that is?

 

[BillW50]

In

I was using 64 bit until I switched to Mint 10 I suppose. You really
need to be right and prove someone else wrong, don't you? I'd look
into that problem if I were you.

Nope, you are always saying things that only you alone can do
differently than the rest of the computer world. This is just one of
many examples.

Other examples you seem to think there isn't a junk filter in OE6 when
there really is one. Another one is you can't believe some Windows users
never got a Windows virus yet. And there are lots of Windows users who
never had one. I'm thinking like 20% of Windows users never had a virus.
And the majority of them credit safe computing for their success.

And virtually all those I know that did get infected, clicked on
something they shouldn't have. My sister got infected once by clicking
on an ad banner saying your computer is infected and click here to fix.
She clicked on it and her computer become unbootable until she paid
somebody 60 bucks. So she brought it over to me instead and I removed
the offending malware and reassociated exe files once again. No big deal
if you know what you are doing.

And just for the record, the original XP release allowed access to more
than 4GB. But since XP SP1, a limit of 4GB was imposed because of some
third party driver problems. And if that is okay with you, then you are
free to hack the limitations out once again. ;-)