A
Andy Burns
Tavares' posts are haven't propogated to giganews, which does at leastChar said:
make it easier for anyone not paying attention to the quoting to get the
wrong end of the stick.
make it easier for anyone not paying attention to the quoting to get the
wrong end of the stick.
A
Andy Burns
Ah yes, THAT is why I didn't see Tavares' posts, not a lack of propagation.Ken said:
R
Richard Colton
What? I take it you have a fantastic sense of humour and are just
making a joke?
How the hell does WLM not bothering to quote in any way whatsoever make
the thread easier to follow?
In addition, when you have people top-posting it just confuses the issue
further.
W
...winston
"Lee Waun" wrote in message
says I have anewerversion installed then quits.
Other pieces remain.
e.g. Active X for Live Mesh, SQL Lite, Toolbar, etc
-all must be removed (no prior version or mix and match permitted)
I did unistall it first from there before I tried to install 2009. It still
says I have anewerversion installed then quits.
Other pieces remain.
e.g. Active X for Live Mesh, SQL Lite, Toolbar, etc
-all must be removed (no prior version or mix and match permitted)
W
...winston
Yep!
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"Nil" wrote in message
alt.windows7.general:
It's impossible to distinguish your words from Lee Waun's, and your
signature is improperly delineated.
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"Nil" wrote in message
alt.windows7.general:
It's impossible to distinguish your words from Lee Waun's, and your
signature is improperly delineated.
S
Stephen Wolstenholme
I have just installed a new HP "all in one". I then installed all the
applications that I wanted to use and got rid of the ones that HP
and/or Microsoft wanted me to use. That included WLM so no matter what
it's like I didn't even try it. I suspect most experienced PC users
don't try new applications just because they are pre-installed.
Steve
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Roy Macedo
"Richard Colton" escreveu na mensagem
«What? I take it you have a fantastic sense of humour and are just
making a joke?»
- it's my best english, you are very generous
«How the hell does WLM not bothering to quote in any way whatsoever make
the thread easier to follow?»
- because quoted and truncated text If I can call it like that, the way
Outlook Express did turns the reading very confusing and with WLM ms ended
with the norm of having to quote or repeate the last question wich is the
lawyer way of writing, the most easy way is choosing in options not to
include the text we are answering, we can see that in the tree view.
«In addition, when you have people top-posting it just confuses the issue
further.»
You have to scroll down, sometimes a lot, to see the new or final opinion
«What? I take it you have a fantastic sense of humour and are just
making a joke?»
- it's my best english, you are very generous
«How the hell does WLM not bothering to quote in any way whatsoever make
the thread easier to follow?»
- because quoted and truncated text If I can call it like that, the way
Outlook Express did turns the reading very confusing and with WLM ms ended
with the norm of having to quote or repeate the last question wich is the
lawyer way of writing, the most easy way is choosing in options not to
include the text we are answering, we can see that in the tree view.
«In addition, when you have people top-posting it just confuses the issue
further.»
You have to scroll down, sometimes a lot, to see the new or final opinion
C
Char Jackson
Hi ...winston,
Congrats on getting the sig delimiter mostly right, (it's showing up
here as a dash-dash and is missing the trailing space, but Agent is
able to overcome that). Now if we could get you to do proper quoting
and avoid top posting, we'd be all set!
N
Nil
I take his response to mean that he knows his posts are intelligible,
but that's his intention.
N
Nil
I meant to say *UN*intelligible. He knows his posts are hard to read
and disrupt any thread he joins, but that's his purpose.
I already have my newsreader set to flag anyone who posts using
WLM2011, just so I'll understand why they don't make sense, but I'm
just about ready to killfile them wholesale. Most people know about the
problems with that program by now and those who who continue to use it
seem to be either selfish or malicious. Either way, they're not worth
my time.
S
Stephen Wolstenholme
Maybe WLM users only want to share their news with other WLM users.
It's all getting a bit like what happened when Microsoft moved some of
their development support groups to the web. Many readers and
contributors did not bother to move with them.
Steve
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Richard Colton
On 16/10/2011 11:28, Roy Macedo wrote:
post has expired, or the original poster is in a killfile. etc. etc.
There are a host of very good reasons why proper quoting and context is
a good idea, and not one good one where it isn't.
wouldn't be an issue.
I'm sorry, but no matter what you claim or believe, WLM is not a good
news reader (it isn't even good enough to be a rubbish new reader).
Not if the server we're using hasn't received the previous post, or that
post has expired, or the original poster is in a killfile. etc. etc.
There are a host of very good reasons why proper quoting and context is
a good idea, and not one good one where it isn't.
And if people trimmed the irrelevant text (as I've done here) that
wouldn't be an issue.
I'm sorry, but no matter what you claim or believe, WLM is not a good
news reader (it isn't even good enough to be a rubbish new reader).
R
Roy Macedo
"Richard Colton" escreveu na mensagem
<snip>
«Not if the server we're using hasn't received the previous post, or that
post has expired, or the original poster is in a killfile. etc. etc.»
How can we know if a poster is in a kill file (or what it means)? I've
noticed that I'm completely alone in "my newsland", perhaps I am in a kill
file too.
«I'm sorry, but no matter what you claim or believe, WLM is not a good
news reader (it isn't even good enough to be a rubbish new reader).»
Well WLM 2011 it's the best newsreader I've ever seen. There are things like
the newsgroups options on the menu that could be better. But for now it's
very good.
If it was possible to have Outlook Express on windows 7 would be Heaven,
because OE it's so classic and simple and works wonderfull.
<snip>
«Not if the server we're using hasn't received the previous post, or that
post has expired, or the original poster is in a killfile. etc. etc.»
How can we know if a poster is in a kill file (or what it means)? I've
noticed that I'm completely alone in "my newsland", perhaps I am in a kill
file too.
«I'm sorry, but no matter what you claim or believe, WLM is not a good
news reader (it isn't even good enough to be a rubbish new reader).»
Well WLM 2011 it's the best newsreader I've ever seen. There are things like
the newsgroups options on the menu that could be better. But for now it's
very good.
If it was possible to have Outlook Express on windows 7 would be Heaven,
because OE it's so classic and simple and works wonderfull.
G
Gene E. Bloch
Well, *I* don't killfile such people, nyaah, nyaah, nyaah
Here's what I do: if the new content of a WLM reply is not immediately
evident to me, I just go on to the next post.
I rarely killfile, although I often manually skip certain posters. This
is not a real disagreement, just a different way to get the same sort of
goal...
G
Gene E. Bloch
A kill file is a file with instructions to delete or hide posts from
certain people. The term is also used to mean anything similar you might
have.
You know what's in it because *you* have created it, using the methods
built into your newsreader, and because you can also read it and edit
it, in case you forget (or want to change) what you put in it.
It exists in, and acts only on, your computer and only on your incoming
mail or news.
I can only conclude that you have seen *very few* newsreaders.
K
Ken Blake
Very likely right. And to make matters worse, he insists on looking at
newsreaders solely from his perspective in using them, and not from
the perspective of others who have to read his posts.
Windows Live Mail is the *worst* newsreader I've ever seen, not
because it's difficult to use, but because it's difficult to read the
posts of those who use it.
And I've seen and used (or at least tried) *many* different
newsreaders.
R
Roy Macedo
"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem
«A kill file is a file with instructions to delete or hide posts from
certain people. The term is also used to mean anything similar you might
have.»
If I might have the file what can be done to unhide those posts?
Can you help me?
«It exists in, and acts only on, your computer and only on your incoming
mail or news.»
Ok I'm very tired. I'm going home, must sleep.
«A kill file is a file with instructions to delete or hide posts from
certain people. The term is also used to mean anything similar you might
have.»
If I might have the file what can be done to unhide those posts?
Can you help me?
«It exists in, and acts only on, your computer and only on your incoming
mail or news.»
Ok I'm very tired. I'm going home, must sleep.
G
Gene E. Bloch
Sorry, no, I can't help you. You have to use the help file or other
instructions for *your* newsreader. You are using Windows Live Mail, and
I don't know that program.
In English, I would search Help for "filters", or browse through the
menus for Filters. I have no idea how it would be translated into
Portuguese. I might even be wrong about the search term in English,
since I don't know the program.
Remember, you must do that in your program, Windows Live Mail.
But if it's your computer, and if no one else has configured your
newsreader, the only way you would have a kill file (in other words, a
set of filters) to suppress posters would be if *you* made some filters.
I think you're getting all worked up over something that isn't there...
Be sure to have a cup of coffee when you get up
R
Richard Colton
A killfile is a personal thing, some people use them, some don't. In
addition, you seem to have missed the point about servers dropping or
expiring posts. Without proper attribution posts become very difficult
to follow - especially for those coming to the thread late who haven't
followed the discussion from the beginning.
Then you haven't seen many newsreaders.
You seem to be completely missing the point. The whole point of posting
to usenet is to have a discussion, and to make your posts as easy as
possible to follow for those expected to read them as possible. You
insistance on using WLM makes following your posts difficult at best,
and in longer threads it becomes pretty much impossible.
At the end of the day, no-one can force you to use a working usenet
client (which WLM certainly isn't), nor can they force you not to top
post. However, if you persist in doing so, many of the people who would
have read your posts will ignore or killfile them - thus reducing
discusion and readership.
It's your choice, but to me it seems entirely counterproductive to make
life difficult for people to read your posts.
W
...winston
Hello Char,
WLM has its weaknesses for plain text responses, one of which is no longer
inserting the '<' character. I don't plan on posting on a regular basis in
this forum though I have been reading it for quite some time.
My primary nttp usage is to moderate two nttp newsgroups (one solely
dedicated to WLM subject matter) on a private server where all subscribed
users (free but registration with a valid email required and sign-on via
username/pw) including moderators and staff tolerate (and or welcome) any
combination of posting (top, bottom, plain text, html, proper/improper
quoting)...and have for years.
Default settings for my build of WLM (due to the above responsibility) is
to configure WLM to reply to messages using the format in which they were
sent, top post like most of those other subscribers and insert the sig
after the response. Thus it's unlikely that I will switch to another news
client or configure WLM to auto-bottom-post as a default.
If someone posts in this forum seeking information on WLM usage in Win7 the
possibility exists I may respond to help that op obtain a focused response
on their question amidst all the other banter (e.g. use a real nntp client
that is intelligible, quotes and sig delimits properly etc.). I might even
suggest that WLM posters subscribe to that private nttp server to obtain a
value-added response on a WLM question.
Likewise, I may share Win7 knowledge to put a thread on track (e.g. my
replies in an earlier thread pointing a user to the MSDN/Technet article
explaining Win7's System/Boot partition nomenclature and another on
migrating OE contacts to WLM on a new Win7)
In the future on long threads where prior details are important I may
bottom post (assuming I remember) to retain the flow of information, though
a quick look shows a few folks replying by top posting (and no one singling
out those users for doing so) and also using WLM <g>.
Thanks for the suggestion on the sig trailing space (I added a trailing
space for the sig I configured to use here, maybe it will show up properly
in this reply even though it being top posted.
Oh...and Nil was partially correct. I'm fully aware of WLM's shortcomings.
Unintelligible ? That's a frame of reference. What I do know for certainty,
I may be one of the few WLM's users that actually is willing and has the
ability to communicate user's concerns directly to Microsoft...at times
even the nttp police's voices need to be heard to put things into
perspective.
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....winston
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
Hi ...winston,
Congrats on getting the sig delimiter mostly right, (it's showing up
here as a dash-dash and is missing the trailing space, but Agent is
able to overcome that). Now if we could get you to do proper quoting
and avoid top posting, we'd be all set!
WLM has its weaknesses for plain text responses, one of which is no longer
inserting the '<' character. I don't plan on posting on a regular basis in
this forum though I have been reading it for quite some time.
My primary nttp usage is to moderate two nttp newsgroups (one solely
dedicated to WLM subject matter) on a private server where all subscribed
users (free but registration with a valid email required and sign-on via
username/pw) including moderators and staff tolerate (and or welcome) any
combination of posting (top, bottom, plain text, html, proper/improper
quoting)...and have for years.
Default settings for my build of WLM (due to the above responsibility) is
to configure WLM to reply to messages using the format in which they were
sent, top post like most of those other subscribers and insert the sig
after the response. Thus it's unlikely that I will switch to another news
client or configure WLM to auto-bottom-post as a default.
If someone posts in this forum seeking information on WLM usage in Win7 the
possibility exists I may respond to help that op obtain a focused response
on their question amidst all the other banter (e.g. use a real nntp client
that is intelligible, quotes and sig delimits properly etc.). I might even
suggest that WLM posters subscribe to that private nttp server to obtain a
value-added response on a WLM question.
Likewise, I may share Win7 knowledge to put a thread on track (e.g. my
replies in an earlier thread pointing a user to the MSDN/Technet article
explaining Win7's System/Boot partition nomenclature and another on
migrating OE contacts to WLM on a new Win7)
In the future on long threads where prior details are important I may
bottom post (assuming I remember) to retain the flow of information, though
a quick look shows a few folks replying by top posting (and no one singling
out those users for doing so) and also using WLM <g>.
Thanks for the suggestion on the sig trailing space (I added a trailing
space for the sig I configured to use here, maybe it will show up properly
in this reply even though it being top posted.
Oh...and Nil was partially correct. I'm fully aware of WLM's shortcomings.
Unintelligible ? That's a frame of reference. What I do know for certainty,
I may be one of the few WLM's users that actually is willing and has the
ability to communicate user's concerns directly to Microsoft...at times
even the nttp police's voices need to be heard to put things into
perspective.
--
....winston
msft mvp mail
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
Hi ...winston,
Congrats on getting the sig delimiter mostly right, (it's showing up
here as a dash-dash and is missing the trailing space, but Agent is
able to overcome that). Now if we could get you to do proper quoting
and avoid top posting, we'd be all set!