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Wildman

On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:19:36 -0300, Shadow wrote:

I am seriously considering switching to Linux when support for
XP dies. I'll miss a couple of games, and Agent newsreader, but ...
[]'s
Most, if not all versions of Agent will run under Wine.
Your games will likely run as well. If not, there is
always virtualbox.
 
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Shadow

On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:19:36 -0300, Shadow wrote:

I am seriously considering switching to Linux when support for
XP dies. I'll miss a couple of games, and Agent newsreader, but ...
[]'s
Most, if not all versions of Agent will run under Wine.
Your games will likely run as well. If not, there is
always virtualbox.
When I'm in Linux I use Pan. It's a pity it's not as
"powerful" as Agent, I still have not figured out how to purge
unavailable headers while keeping old retrieved message bodies, so my
database is Giga-big.
I have a virtualbox install of XP in Linux to test and debug
malware. It's much slower than a native Windows install.
As to Wine, it's a bit like running a pseudo Windows. Dunno if
it's worth the effort. I might, if the games itch gets too strong.
Diablo 1 Hellfire or HMM 3 anyone ?
:)
[]'s
 
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Steve Hayes

Actually, we're talking about two different possibilities. If I'm reading
what you said correctly, your "booster" had dropped out and locked up. In
those circumstances your laptop would default to the internal Wifi
connection after the power out. That may or may not have been due to the
interrupted Windows update - but it would happen anyway if the external
device had locked or dropped out. Strange and somewhat random things happen
during interrupted updates, so it might have been that (it could, for
example, have corrupted the drivers for your external "booster") - but I'm
guessing it was more than likely just the power out that did it.
Aye, but the external WiFi thingy got its power from my laptop, from the
battery, which did not go off. What went off was presumably the WiFi router in
the hotel, and only for about 5 seconds.
To illustrate - I've got three possibilities with mine - the internal
802.11g chipset, a small 802.11n USB adaptor and a larger 802.11n one with
an external aerial. I bought the latter because the small "n" was
borderline anywhere more than a couple of feet from the router and the
laptop just defaulted to the internal one at random if the signal level
dropped too low - it didn't need a power cut. Similarly, just removing my
"booster" adaptor from the USB port causes the system to default to
internal. So a power cut, could easily cause that to happen - whether or
not assisted by the interrupted Windows update.
I still used my laptop offline today -- I was doing other stuff, and it dowed
no Internet connection available because the USB wireless adapter wasn't
plugged in. It made no attempt to switch to the internal one before, and it's
never done it but that once, with the Windows update. The power blip simply
misled me into thinking it was caused by something else, and not discovering
the real cause till 10 days later.
 
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Juan Wei

Bob Henson has written on 6/5/2013 5:10 AM:
I have never turned any of mine off, I set them to do full virus scans,
defrags, total backups etc during different nights of the week. I let it do
Windows Updates too, of course, and set the time for 3.00 am - it restarts
automatically if it needs to, and I've never had any trouble with any one
of my machines, past or present. I once had a problem with XP, but that was
my own fault because I stopped an update halfway through. Maybe I'm just
very lucky in that regard?
If you're just lucky, then I have been, also!
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I have never turned any of mine off, I set them to do full virus scans,
defrags, total backups etc during different nights of the week. I let it do
Windows Updates too, of course, and set the time for 3.00 am - it restarts
automatically if it needs to, and I've never had any trouble with any one
of my machines, past or present. I once had a problem with XP, but that was
my own fault because I stopped an update halfway through. Maybe I'm just
very lucky in that regard?
You're no doubt lucky, but actually it sounds to me like your strategy
is the real reason for that luck :)
 
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Char Jackson

Bing is a complete flop so far.
Is it? I don't use Bing, but I wasn't aware that it was flopping in the
search engine marketplace.
 
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Char Jackson

If mains power goes, you have your UPS!
When the battery in my APC UPS died in the late 1990's I never bothered to
replace either the battery or the entire UPS. I think the question of
whether a person 'needs' a UPS is a YMMV thing. I very rarely see power
outages, like maybe one a year, but I've heard from friends in Florida who
say their power flickers every time there's lightning in the area, which is
about every week for 3/4 of the year.
 
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Paul

Char said:
When the battery in my APC UPS died in the late 1990's I never bothered to
replace either the battery or the entire UPS. I think the question of
whether a person 'needs' a UPS is a YMMV thing. I very rarely see power
outages, like maybe one a year, but I've heard from friends in Florida who
say their power flickers every time there's lightning in the area, which is
about every week for 3/4 of the year.
Since the change they made to the substation this year, things have
got worse here, with the power going off for 1 second, for
virtually every lightning strike that hits the ground. The
UPS is getting a workout now. But 1 second at a time. Not
that hard on the battery.

It wasn't nearly this bad last summer. Some lightning storms,
you could go through them without the lights going off. The
new addition to the substation, seems to have amplified the effects
of the lightning. (Three external metal boxes were added to the
substation, and that's how I know there was a change to it.
And they're not conventional transformers either, as the
boxes open easily for maintenance. Our regular transformers
here, aren't designed like these new boxes.)

So it doesn't take much for your power to become "third world"...
All it takes is a little bad engineering.

Our hydro in town is "locally owned", which means it does not
benefit from scale of operation. It would not have a very
large engineering department.

Paul
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Since the change they made to the substation this year, things have
got worse here, with the power going off for 1 second, for
virtually every lightning strike that hits the ground. The
UPS is getting a workout now. But 1 second at a time. Not
that hard on the battery.
100% speculation: the one-second shutdown is something that the power
station does to protect itself, and possibly even users.

Or not, of course :)
 
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Paul

Gene said:
100% speculation: the one-second shutdown is something that the power
station does to protect itself, and possibly even users.

Or not, of course :)
The purpose may be protection, but they're not ordinary outages.

Something is wrong with the setup. It can't possibly be meant to
work that way.

It's like the threshold on some protection device, is set wrong.

Paul
 
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jbm

A new thought: if you never normally restart or turn off your computer,
maybe Windows gets antsy and has this strong urge to restart.

The people here are of the "turn it off when I'm not using it" school...

No Gene, the computer is turned off every night, together with the
network printer and hard drive. The router and modem (BTHUB3 Infinity)
are left on 24/7 so I can use the laptop downstairs. (This computer is
upstairs in the office / spare bedroom, and is LAN wired to the router.)

Most of the time it behaves as it should. A window pops up telling me
Windows updates are available, but a reboot is necessary, with options
to do it now, wait or cancel. But occasionally it just closes down and
reboots. A damned nuisance to say the least.

jim
 
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Gene E. Bloch

No Gene, the computer is turned off every night, together with the
network printer and hard drive. The router and modem (BTHUB3 Infinity)
are left on 24/7 so I can use the laptop downstairs. (This computer is
upstairs in the office / spare bedroom, and is LAN wired to the router.)

Most of the time it behaves as it should. A window pops up telling me
Windows updates are available, but a reboot is necessary, with options
to do it now, wait or cancel. But occasionally it just closes down and
reboots. A damned nuisance to say the least.

jim
To tell the truth, that idea was all I could come up with. Sorry it
didn't help...
 
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jbm

To tell the truth, that idea was all I could come up with. Sorry it
didn't help...

That's OK. It's not an end of the world scenario, just damned inconvenient.

jim
 
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Gene E. Bloch

That's OK. It's not an end of the world scenario, just damned inconvenient.

jim
Not only that, but I was thinking later, after I had already posted my
reply, that my idea was somewhere between a stab in the dark and a last
ditch effort :)
 

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