Windows 8 newsgroup

[sticks]

"Robin Bignall" wrote in message

Hmm...

June 1, I wrote:
<qp>
Windows 8, on the other hand does have a Mail app
- the app is part of the Communication package (Mail, Messaging, People,
Calendar)
- the Mail app supports Hotmail, Google, and Exchange accounts (it does not
support Pop3 or IMAP)
</qp>

it does support IMAP now, correct?

 

[NY]

it does support IMAP now, correct?

So are the only POP mailreaders the third-party ones like Thunderbird and
the paid-for MS ones like Outlook? The free MS one (either provided with it
or downloadable) doesn't support POP or IMAP, so you have to be permanently
online to be able to see your historic email messages or to compose a
message?

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

it does support IMAP now, correct?

I don't have an IMAP account to test with, but under the "Add an
account" Other account option, it has an IMAP option that asks for an
email address and password so I'd say it does.

--
Zaphod

"So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
- Arthur Dent

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

So are the only POP mailreaders the third-party ones like Thunderbird and
the paid-for MS ones like Outlook? The free MS one (either provided with it
or downloadable) doesn't support POP or IMAP, so you have to be permanently
online to be able to see your historic email messages or to compose a
message?

The Mail app appears to support IMAP now, but alas still not POP.

 

[...winston]

Note: That comment was on June 1

As of RTM it now reads...
Unlike earlier versions of Windows 8 (Consumer and Release Preview) the RTM version of Windows 8 now supports additional email
account types.

The Windows 8 RTM mail app supports the following email accounts.
Hotmail type accounts (Hotmail, Msn., Live.com)
Outlook.com
Office 365
Exchange
Gmail
Yahoo
AOL
IMAP

POP3 is not (currently) supported in the Windows 8 Mail app.
- As noted previously, the only way to get mail from a POP3 account into an account in Windows 8 RTM's mail app is to aggregate
that account into a supported email account (e.g. aggregate a POP3 account into an existing Hotmail type or Outlook.com account).

Optionally if you need POP3 install a different email client (Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, Office Outlook, etc.)

If installing WLM it would be prudent to install 2012 since at some point in time in the foreseeable future it will become
mandatory on Vista, Win7, Win8 to retain full functionality)

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"sticks" wrote in message

"Robin Bignall" wrote in message

Hmm...

June 1, I wrote:
<qp>
Windows 8, on the other hand does have a Mail app
- the app is part of the Communication package (Mail, Messaging, People,
Calendar)
- the Mail app supports Hotmail, Google, and Exchange accounts (it does not
support Pop3 or IMAP)
</qp>

it does support IMAP now, correct?

 

[...winston]

"NY" wrote in message So are the only POP mailreaders the third-party ones like Thunderbird and
the paid-for MS ones like Outlook? The free MS one (either provided with it
or downloadable) doesn't support POP or IMAP, so you have to be permanently
online to be able to see your historic email messages or to compose a
message?Microsoft mail apps that support Pop3 and installable on Windows 8 are
Outlook 2007, 10, 13 - only available in certain Office suites
Windows Live Mail 2012, 11, 09 - free, downloadable or preinstalled by the OEM
- Note: At some point in time 2012 on Vista, Win7, Win8 will become a mandatory upgrade to retain functionality....the program has
'phone home' built-in coded capability to check version when opened....installation and use of any version per the TOS agrees to
MSFT's ability to auto-upgrade to the current build without notification or permission though currently uses may see a prompt
(program generated, not Windows Update) that an upgrade is available, not upgrading may prevent the program to open on subsequent
attempts.

 

[G. Morgan]

On 28/10/2012 8:43 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
[...]

Windows 8 forced me to switch to Thunderbird as Win 8 will not let you
set up an E-mail account if you are a POP3 acct, you need an Imap account.

Ok, what's up with that? Why would MS decide to prevent POP3?

Hotmail only uses POP3. What are you talking about for a mail user
agent?

 

[...winston]

"G. Morgan" wrote in message

On 28/10/2012 8:43 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
[...]

Windows 8 forced me to switch to Thunderbird as Win 8 will not let you
set up an E-mail account if you are a POP3 acct, you need an Imap account.

Ok, what's up with that? Why would MS decide to prevent POP3?

Hotmail only uses POP3. What are you talking about for a mail user
agent?

*****

Hotmail provides access to a user's email in a local email client or optional device (e.g phone, iPod touch, etc.) using a variety
of protocols
- POP3 being one of them, is not the only one.

The Win8 Mail app is capable of setting up any Hotmail account, but not capable of setting up a Hotmail account using the POP3/SMTP
servers/settings.

 

[charlie]

You're memory afaics is faulty or explanation faulty.

Having been around since 1994 and access to every single email client
build released by MSFT

Microsoft never forced anyone to go to Live Mail
- Live Mail was an optional download install only program and remains so
today

The same servers are used for all protocols
- Pop3 and Http

The only services (not servers) discontinued were
- WebDAV access to Hotmail accounts in Outlook Express
- Pop3 access for free Hotmail accounts (later restored)
* the former accomplished by rejecting the handshaking of email clients
sending WebDav requests
* the latter by checking for a paid, current active Hotmail Plus account

There really were no XP versions of Outlook Express
OE was released in 1997 as a component of IE4 and continued through
IE6. Each version of IE 4, 5.x, 6.x updated OE with a version and/or
under-the-hood update. The browser was bundled with the o/s (the email
client with the browser).

"You're memory afaics is faulty or explanation faulty".

Probably both, at least in part. Retirement, and getting long in the
tooth, as well as other concerns and interests sometimes get in the way.

I goofed by saying live mail instead of hotmail.
Part of this was due to a memory glitch related to MS's change in
POP3 server names from the original ones to a server name containing
"live".
There were various "proposals" at one time or another, and some were
actually in implementation that was thankfully reversed or resolved.
POP3 fell into that category. At one point, MS employees, "MVPs", and
other selected users were allowed to keep POP3 accounts, and new
accounts were setup with MS's version of "webmail". My account, like
many others, works with either pop3 or other alternatives. We had to
fight a bit to keep POP3 service at the time. Eventually, the fight over
the MS news servers was lost.
I suppose non disclosure might still apply to some of the details.

How OE versions were finally packaged and released for general use
really had nothing directly to do with my remarks. As I said, the
version I was using was NOT released, at least to general users. It may
have been given to parts of the government for evaluation, and was used
for a time internally. As to it's relationship with IE, there was some
code commonality, and I suspect that's what eventually "broke" the
version I used. At the time, my area of concern was the ops system, and
certain security areas. Back then, MS kindly sent me, gratis, full
copies of virtually all MS's software, be it development, ops systems,
apps, or what have you, such as the MSKB on CD. The swamp and alligator
bit certainly applied.

Perhaps the most important lesson I learned from that time - - -
Avoid (Like the Plague) a job or position that involves multiple
"bosses" trying to tell you what to do, regardless of what you are paid.
It's not worth the grief! (Let alone a couple of heart attacks and so
forth!)

 

[Charlie+]

How did you get to this group, if you don't have a "newsgroup list"?

You are looking for, apparently:

alt.comp.os.windows-8

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There is not a single post in this above n/g as yet!!
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[Dave-UK]

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There is not a single post in this above n/g as yet!!

What are these then ?
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/Win8group.PNG

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

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There is not a single post in this above n/g as yet!!
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Yeah, there are, several hundred. Did you download any when you subscribed?
--
Crash

"The best argument against democracy is
a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
~ Winston Churchill ~

 

[Sam Hill]

snip There is not a single post in this above n/g as yet!!

I would not have given/suggested a group with no activity. I see about two
dozen new posts since last evening - not counting quite a passel from the
past. I keep articles for a month, and there's a couple hundred of those
in my newsreader.

Perhaps you have not fetched articles yet.

 

[James Silverton]

Yeah, there are, several hundred. Did you download any when you subscribed?

I decided to subscribe to a.c.o.windows-8 on eterna-september this
morning and got 508 posts before filtering.

 

[Paul]

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There is not a single post in this above n/g as yet!!
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The newsreader keeps track of article numbers. If the
server article numbers are in a different range than
the reader knows about, that can result in no articles
being pulled in.

And some newsreaders make this particularly difficult
to deal with, in that unsubscribing and subscribing
again, doesn't cure the problem. There will still be
a lack of new articles pulled in.

Using a packet sniffer, this is the request, and the
response, for the current newsgroup, on my particular
server. Both the number of articles, and the article
numbers, are particular to each news server.

GROUP alt.windows7.general
211 10072 58609 68687 alt.windows7.general\r\n

I can view these in a packet sniffer, because I'm using
port 119 and the traffic is unencrypted. I can view the
plain text protocol used and figure stuff out.

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3977.txt

Syntax
GROUP group

Responses
211 total_articles low_water_mark high_water_mark group_name
10072 58609 68687 alt.wi...

That's for my server Eternal-September. Now if I look at
my news.rc file, there is a line per newsgroup, and the
line keeps track of which articles are read. Here, all
the articles are read right now. And the highest article,
equals the high_water_mark, so there are no new articles
to pull in.

alt.windows7.general: 1-68687

There is a news.rc file for each server, and in this case
the actual file name is news.eternal-september.org.rc .

If I was not able to pull in articles, I would shut down the
newsreader, and edit the news.rc file, to this...

alt.windows7.general: 1-1

Now, the current high_water_mark, is above what I've read,
so all the articles from 58609 to 68687 should appear.
Start the newsreader after saving that file, check for
new articles, and the articles should come in.

It's a very simple mechanism, and has worked that way for
some time. I've been hand-editing .newsrc files for quite
a few years, and doing the same thing.

When the group has some articles read and some unread, the
syntax of the line looks like this...

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-116193,116250,116279

But I hardly ever edit a line with the intent of changing
read to unread or vice versa, because that can be done faster
from the newsreader GUI. The only time I'd be editing that
file, is to set it to "1-1" so that articles/headers would
start rolling in.

If the administrator of the news server "renumbers" articles,
which happens occasionally as part of emergency maintenance,
then I might be forced to that kind of editing.

Newsreaders also have other kinds of database files, on
a per-newsgroup basis. If you have any other problems with
a group, you can try moving or deleting those, and allowing
the newsreader to build new ones. You can do a "mark all read"
if you want to only start looking at new articles.

The view on my newsreader, is set to show both read and unread
articles. Some people have their newsreader set such that
only unread headers are visible in the pane, which makes it
harder sometimes, to tell what's going on. But that wouldn't
stop your efforts to see new articles right now. Just
your ability to see the "history" of the group.

Paul

 

[Ken Blake]

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There is not a single post in this above n/g as yet!!

Sorry, that's not correct. I get multiple posts there every day.

 

[XS11E]

On 28/10/2012 8:43 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
[...]

Windows 8 forced me to switch to Thunderbird as Win 8 will not
let you set up an E-mail account if you are a POP3 acct, you need
an Imap account.

Ok, what's up with that? Why would MS decide to prevent POP3?

Pop3 works perfectly on Windows 8, my email accounts set up with no
problems. Of course, I don't use Live Mail.

 

[G. Morgan]

The Win8 Mail app is capable of setting up any Hotmail account, but not capable of setting up a Hotmail account using the POP3/SMTP
servers/settings.

How do you even get to the settings in Win 8's mail? I tried all the
"windows key + (whatever)" and can't find a settings page.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Sorry, that's not correct. I get multiple posts there every day.

In fact, the traffic in that group seems to have picked up a quite a bit
since the fateful Release day.

 

[Ken Blake]

In fact, the traffic in that group seems to have picked up a quite a bit
since the fateful Release day.

Yes, no surprise.