Windows 7 - E-Mail Programs

[Cameo]

When leaving this newsgroup just right click on it and 'Mark Newsgroup
Read'...

I know that much but that takes extra clicks you don't have to do in OE
or WLM.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Ken.

Just not my day, I guess. :^{ I've already had to correct my statement
that "Win7 is not included in...Windows"; I meant WLM is not included, of
course. That wasn’t a slip of my finger, but a slip of my brain.

I've never been a big user of Outlook, so I forgot about versions earlier
than 2003. After all the hassles we users have gone through with
OE/OL/WM/WLM, I've been trying to use Outlook for email while continuing WLM
for newsgroups - but OL's organization just doesn't fit me, so I still
primarily use WLM for both news and mail. (As I recall, you and I have
agreed to disagree about WLM.)

I never went very far with trying to patch WM into Win7 because I like WLM
better than WM. When it comes up in NGs, I usually mention that other users
have found a workaround to use WM in Win7, but it is not supported by
Microsoft and I haven't tried it myself. I often mention, too, that OE will
run in Windows XP Mode in Win7, but I haven't tried that, either.

I usually blame much of this confusion on "Microsoft's crack program-naming
crew". ;^}

Thanks for correcting these, Ken. It's important that readers get the
straight information.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Ken Blake" wrote in message

Outlook and WLM will run fine in Win7.

A couple of minor corrections, RC.

Windows Live Mail, yes. But Outlook will run fine only if it is a
recent-enough version--2003, 2007, or 2010.

OE and WM will not.

Outlook Express will not, but Windows Mail will, with a workaround.
There are several web sites that tell you how to do this. Here's one:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Gene.

I've recently had my own troubles with phrasing about OE/WM/WLM, etc. :>(

One troublesome phrase is "comes with". When we say that "Vista comes with
WM", do we mean that Vista includes WM, or that WM includes Vista? And some
people say that "WLM comes with Win7". They might mean that "Win7 includes
WLM" or that "WLM is bundled with Win7" - and both are wrong.

And see Ken Blake's correction of a couple of my faux pas just a few
messages below here. (What is the plural of "faux pas"?)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

Correct - but easy to misinterpret. How about: The only thing shared by
Outlook and Outlook Express is a part of their names.

I struggled with how to phrase it. I should have consulted with you
first

 

[Ken Blake]

Hi, Ken.

Just not my day, I guess. :^{ I've already had to correct my statement
that "Win7 is not included in...Windows"; I meant WLM is not included, of
course. That wasn?t a slip of my finger, but a slip of my brain.

LOL! Because I knew what you meant and it was of course correct, I
missed *that* error completely. My brain slipped the same way yours
did.

I've never been a big user of Outlook, so I forgot about versions earlier
than 2003. After all the hassles we users have gone through with
OE/OL/WM/WLM, I've been trying to use Outlook for email while continuing WLM
for newsgroups - but OL's organization just doesn't fit me, so I still
primarily use WLM for both news and mail. (As I recall, you and I have
agreed to disagree about WLM.)

Yes, I know. We disagree about both Windows Live Mail and Outlook. But
that's fine; as I often say, each person should use the software that
he likes best and best suits his manner of working, and disregard my
recommendations and everyone else's.

 

[Ken Blake]

The following should have been in my previous message. Sorry to have
left it out.

I usually blame much of this confusion on "Microsoft's crack program-naming
crew". ;^}

I'm with you entirely. It's one of the things they are worst at.

Thanks for correcting these, Ken. It's important that readers get the
straight information.

You're welcome.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I know that much but that takes extra clicks you don't have to do in OE
or WLM.

Also, each to his own: I'd find that a most irritating feature! I dip
into newsgroups, and read some threads, but I certainly wouldn't want
the ones I've not read marked as read the moment I leave a 'group ... or
am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?

 

[Char Jackson]

Also, each to his own: I'd find that a most irritating feature! I dip
into newsgroups, and read some threads, but I certainly wouldn't want
the ones I've not read marked as read the moment I leave a 'group ... or
am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?

I think you have it right. Whenever I set up a newsreader, one of the
first things I do is make sure nothing gets automatically marked read.
I have not yet found a use for that feature, and I've been using
Usenet since 1984. One of these days, I suppose.

 

[Philip Herlihy]

I'm with you entirely. It's one of the things they are worst at.

Adobe's even worse, in my view, always coming up with some wondeful new
product called "Splodge" or "Whizz". Even when I look at the web page
all I get is marketing blurb about some brave new world. I have several
Adobe products; as for the rest I've given up trying to figure out what
they do.

Windows 7 is a good name!

 

[Bill Bradshaw]

OE runs fine out of Windows XP Mode. You can add a icon to your WIndows
7 desktop to start it. I also use it out of XP Mode with OE-Quotefix.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Also, each to his own: I'd find that a most irritating feature! I dip
into newsgroups, and read some threads, but I certainly wouldn't want
the ones I've not read marked as read the moment I leave a 'group ... or
am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?

Well, it's the same as my end of the stick, so I agree with you and Char
here.

Sometimes I leave a group because it's coffee time or whatever, and I
want to shut the computer down...

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

What is the plural of "faux pas"?

Faux pas.

Many words or phrases in French are spelled differently but pronounced
the same in the plural, and many, like the above, don't change.

Like Anglophones, Francophones are victims of linguistic history

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Gene.

So, it's like the plural of "sheep" or "fish", then.

Thank you.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

What is the plural of "faux pas"?

Faux pas.

Many words or phrases in French are spelled differently but pronounced
the same in the plural, and many, like the above, don't change.

Like Anglophones, Francophones are victims of linguistic history

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Hi, Gene.

So, it's like the plural of "sheep" or "fish", then.

Probably not.

It's more like a degeneration from a situation where the plurals were
distinct from, but similar to, the singulars. They merged phonetically
and eventually in the writing as well.

Pas is from Latin passus, accusative plural passþs. They would even
sound a bit alike in Latin, except for the long u in the plural. I don't
know whether they first merged into one syllable with the s pronounced,
or first dropped the last syllable, but eventually the remaining s
became silent. Later plural forms, BTW, seem to come from the accusative
in some Romance languages..

Faux is from Latin falsus, accusative plural falsòs. The l became
weakened into a u, the s sounds merged, the remaining s became silent.
In French, the feminine, falsa, became fausse in the singular and
fausses in the plural, but they are now pronounced alike and the sse is
pronounced (like an s, not a z).

I have no idea why they chose to spell the masculine forms with an x

 

[Cameo]

Well, it's the same as my end of the stick, so I agree with you and Char
here.

Sometimes I leave a group because it's coffee time or whatever, and I
want to shut the computer down...

I guess we just read the mews groups differently. Usually I don't want
to read all the new posts in a group, only the ones I am interested in.
But I see your point, too.

 

[Char Jackson]

I guess we just read the mews groups differently. Usually I don't want
to read all the new posts in a group, only the ones I am interested in.
But I see your point, too.

Even if you _usually_ do it the way you described, if you enable that
option it will _always_ happen. Leaving a group, for any reason, will
cause everything to be read, whether you want it or not.

 

[Ken Blake]

Faux pas.

Many words or phrases in French are spelled differently but pronounced
the same in the plural, and many, like the above, don't change.

Thanks for that info. I was wondering what the answer was.

But regarding pronunciation, I had guessed that even if the singular
was spelled the same, the plural was pronounced foze-pah, not fow-pah,
like the singular. You're saying I was wrong, and you undoubtedly know
much better than I do; my knowledge of French is minimal.

 

[Cameo]

Even if you _usually_ do it the way you described, if you enable that
option it will _always_ happen. Leaving a group, for any reason, will
cause everything to be read, whether you want it or not.

The very few times I wanted to get back to the same news group without
marking it as read, I would temporarily change the read option to not
mark all posts as read upon exit from the group. This happened so
rarely, that the extra work was not a bother.

 

[Ed Cryer]

Thanks for that info. I was wondering what the answer was.

But regarding pronunciation, I had guessed that even if the singular
was spelled the same, the plural was pronounced foze-pah, not fow-pah,
like the singular. You're saying I was wrong, and you undoubtedly know
much better than I do; my knowledge of French is minimal.

The French pronounce them both the same. It's context that gives the
number; un faux par ou beaucoup de faux pas.
Je n'ai pas fait un faux pas.

Ed

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

The very few times I wanted to get back to the same news group without
marking it as read, I would temporarily change the read option to not
mark all posts as read upon exit from the group. This happened so
rarely, that the extra work was not a bother.

YMMV works for me

Just to be inconsistent, in other areas, my procedures are reminiscent
of what you're describing for news reading.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Thanks for that info. I was wondering what the answer was.

But regarding pronunciation, I had guessed that even if the singular
was spelled the same, the plural was pronounced foze-pah, not fow-pah,
like the singular. You're saying I was wrong, and you undoubtedly know
much better than I do; my knowledge of French is minimal.

Ed said it well.

But for the pronounced 'z' sound - that happens before a vowel quite
often, similar to what happens with "a PC" versus "an Apple"

We spell those two differently, but the French might not in their
similar situations.

Languages are complicated - *all* of them