Will Windows Mail remain?

[Justin]

If I upgrade to Windows 7 from Windows Vista, will Windows Mail still
remain, or will it be completely eliminated?

John

Who cares?
Windows Mail sucks - use Thunderbird.

 

[southwalker]

So what are the great dislikes about WLM?
And where is a newsgroup to vent regarding WLM?
I am trying to find an eMail client and a newsreader to use.
Trying Thunderbird and WLM and ...

You have by now no doubt read all of the objections to using WLM as a
news reader, so I won't go there.

I will say that WLM is in my experience unstable. I do a lot of cut
and paste into emails from web pages and it would routinely crash
while making that transition.

The option to not automatically send/receive email can be checked and
WLM ignores it and does a send/receive on a whim.

And what a cluttered mess it is. I never could figure out how to get
rid of the calendar on all accounts/identities.

The banner across the top has a whole bunch of icon to do things I
never do and the user isn't allowed to change things around. Outlook
Express and Windows Mail (Vista) allowed the user to customize the
toolbar but not WLM.

WLM is free because no one in their right mind would pay for it.

"A cut-rate reproduction of an irresponsible sketch of a goose." to
quote something I read long ago.

 

[blank]

But Pegasus is not good if you want all the latest >malware and viruses on
your computer.

What does that actually mean? That pegasus keeps those out? So Pegasus is
good?

 

[blank]

Or like the docx fiasco!

Oh, like MS Word -- they are trying to make messages sent by their mail
program readable only to other users of their program, in order to force
everyone to use their program.


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[Mortimer]

Or like the docx fiasco!

What was the fiasco? That they devised new file formats that couldn't be
read by older versions of Word, Excel and Powerpoint, unless you installed a
patch to add docx (etc) support to older versions?

Or was there anything else that I'm not aware of?

The change in UI to use the ribbon menus is an acquired taste. I *think*
I've got reasonably used to it, but I still prefer the old menus.

 

[Steve Hayes]

What does that actually mean? That pegasus keeps those out? So Pegasus is
good?

By default Pegasus does not display "lazy HTML" -- that is HTML in an e-mail
message that links to a remote site and brings in content from there. That is
a common cause of malware and viruses.

But if you think fancy graphics in e-mail is "cool", even when it's coming
from a remote site, then perhaps Pegasus is not for you.

 

[Jolly polly]

Who cares?
Windows Mail sucks - use Thunderbird.

Well I disagree. I only use Thunderbird as portable email from a usb stick.
I use (am using now) Windows Mail to read and reply to newsgroups and find
it very good indeed on my Windows 7 64 bit computer.

@John Sisker: I would save your Windows Mail folders from your Vista
installation and when you have se7en up and running transfer them back and
carry on using them. If that doesn't work, and sometimes it does not,
extract a fresh copy from your Vista disc onto your installation of Se7en
and go from there as I did.

 

[Walt]

What makes you say that? The question has been clearly addresse several
times already.

The last time I checked Windows 7 didn't come with a mail program. Or
are you talking about Windows 8. Windows Mail came with Vista, Outlook
Express with XP and previous. I have never had any major problems with
either. Windows Live Mail is another story all togather.

 

[Roy Smith]

By default Pegasus does not display "lazy HTML" -- that is HTML in an e-mail
message that links to a remote site and brings in content from there. That is
a common cause of malware and viruses.

But if you think fancy graphics in e-mail is "cool", even when it's coming
from a remote site, then perhaps Pegasus is not for you.

Though most "modern" email clients can be set to allow or reject content
from remote locations, and usually they're configured to reject it by
default. Also one is able to allow remote content from trusted sites if
you desire graphics in your emails. So this is not something that's
exclusive to Pegasus mail.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 8.0
Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:22:06 AM

 

[...winston]

Microsoft sells Outlook and has a substantial user base in the corporate and
public world.

Windows Live Mail, the only free email program from MSFT, supports pop3,
HTTP, and IMAP.
- HTTP is for Hotmail type accounts (Msn.com,Live.com, Hotmail.com)
- IMAP for third party email accounts (e.g. your isp, Yahoo, Google)
- Pop3 is for third party email accounts and also <guess what> Hotmail (all
Hotmail type accounts are also Pop3 capable)

The name pretty much says it all - Windows ***Live*** Mail
- Live also = Hotmail, SkyDrive, Office Apps, Instant Messaging
(Messenger), Profile (Social Network) services or applications.

Plain text 'quoting' intentionally broke ? Unlikely, broken in the first 6
WLMail betas - Yes. Removed in the final RTM version - Yes. Why removed - if
removed then support personnel only have to state 'design intent' - i.e. no
expense, no resources to explain otherwise.

**Live** is the name of the program being funded (design, resource, expense,
support). Nntp is not even a subject on the 'To Do' list and relegated to
the circular file once MSFT dropped their nntp newsgroup support.
Conspiracy - No.

Thus WLMail while supporting pop3/IMAP/Http for mail and use for nntp its
primary intent being use with Live services and the other integrated Live
applications (Messenger, Photo Gallery, Sky Drive, Photo e-mail which uses a
Live ID SkyDrive, etc.).

With Hotmail approaching 0.5 Billion users, and nearly the same quantity
using WL Messenger it should be eminently clear to anyone the 'long term
agenda' of MSFT design intent for its free email client (Windows Live
Mail) - Live and Live Services.

Feel free to send feedback
https://feedback.live.com/?productkey=wlmaildesktop&scrx=1
....but keep in mind that circular file has a fairly wide opening to catch
all 'nntp' input.

By the way, if one needs 'quoting' for plain text in email -- Microsoft does
provide that ability -> the Hotmail web UI.

--
....winston
Msft MVP Mail


"Nil" wrote in message

I get the impression that Microsoft have a long term agenda that
includes getting everyone to use their web offerings. They have
already abandoned their newsgroups and want people to use their
web forums.

I don't usually like conspiracy theories, but this smells of one. Why
else would Microsoft break features that were previously working, and
then decline to fix them? Surely they know all about it. It's not an
obscure bug, it affects a major function of the program. The only
explanation that makes sense to me is that they are intentionally
trying to damage Usenet by making the experience worse for everyone.