Will Windows Mail remain?

[John Sisker]

If I upgrade to Windows 7 from Windows Vista, will Windows Mail still
remain, or will it be completely eliminated?

John

 

[Bruce Hagen]

If I upgrade to Windows 7 from Windows Vista, will Windows Mail still
remain, or will it be completely eliminated?

John

Windows Mail was only used in Vista and it was never a finished product as
it was abandoned in June 2006 while Vista was still in Beta.

Win7 does not come with any e-mail client built in. Windows Live Mail is
the "replacement" but I abhor that program and opted for Thunderbird.

You can use WinMail with Win7, but it is less than optimal.

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First, you need access to a Vista machine.

On the Win7 machine, find the "Windows Mail" folder in Program Files.
Rename it to "OldWindows Mail" as a precaution.

Using a Flash or CD, copy the "Windows Mail" folder in its entirety from
the Vista machine.

Go back to the Win7 machine and copy the "Windows Mail" from the Flash or
CD to a location in Program Files.

Open it and right click on the WinMail.exe file and send a shortcut to the
Desktop. Done.


An alternative.

How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

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You can use OE in XP Mode if you have Pro, Enterprise or Ultimate.

How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, John.

Windows Mail (WM) is built into Vista and runs ONLY in Vista, according to
Microsoft. (Many users have found how to get it to run in Win7, and it
should not be hard to find the open "secret".) If you upgrade to Win7, WM
will disappear - and nothing will automatically take its place.

Win7 is the first Windows since Win95 to come with NO mail or news client at
all. You are free to choose your own - free or paid - newsreader and email
app. Microsoft's email client is Outlook (currently Outlook 2010), part of
the Microsoft Office suite. Microsoft also offers Windows Live Mail (WLM),
a mail and news app that looks a lot like WM, which looks a lot like Outlook
Express (OE), but with significant differences in the interface and under
the hood. If you'd like to try WLM, it is a part of the free Windows Live
Essentials suite which you can find at:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/windows-live-essentials

Many users dislike WLM (some dislike it intensely!), but it's what I use,
despite its serious shortcomings.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"John Sisker" wrote in message

If I upgrade to Windows 7 from Windows Vista, will Windows Mail still
remain, or will it be completely eliminated?

John

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

If I upgrade to Windows 7 from Windows Vista, will Windows Mail still
remain, or will it be completely eliminated?

John

I have always used Forte Agent for both news and email. Nothing else
is needed.

Steve

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[BeeJ]

So what are the great dislikes about WLM?
And where is a newsgroup to vent regarding WLM?
I am trying to find an eMail client and a newsreader to use.
Trying Thunderbird and WLM and ...

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, BeeJ.

Inline...

"BeeJ" wrote in message

So what are the great dislikes about WLM?

Mainly, the failure to quote prior messages properly. I had to add the >
indicators manually to your quoted lines in this message. Probably the
second-least popular feature is the Ribbon interface, which was introduced
in the 2011 versions of WLM. Many users who dislike these two "features"
have opted to run the last pre-2011 version, called WLM 2009.

And where is a newsgroup to vent regarding WLM?

You might try this one:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

I am trying to find an eMail client and a newsreader to use.
Trying Thunderbird and WLM and ...

Others here can offer a lot of advice about alternatives to WLM. Maybe I'm
just too lazy or too stubborn, but I haven't tried other mail/news clients
since checking out a lot of them in the early 1990's and settling on OE as
soon as it became available. I haven't seriously looked at others since
then.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1

 

[Andy Burns]

So what are the great dislikes about WLM?

If the foibles of WLM only affected the person using it, that would be
fair choice. But it lacks any recognised method of quoting, which
affects everyone trying to read messages sent by someone using it.

I automaticaly 'mark as read' all messages composed with WLM v15 and
pass over them, if I see an interesting message replied to by someone
else, I might go back and look at the original, I don't think I'm the
only one.

 

[XS11E]

I am trying to find an eMail client and a newsreader to use.
Trying Thunderbird and WLM and ...

I've found better results using separate clients for each, I use
Pegasus Mail for email and Xnews for newsgroups.

Pegasus = http://www.pmail.com/
Note links to the support section, there are very good forums.

Xnews = http://xnews.newsguy.com
All the help you'll ever need at news.software.readers.

 

[Nil]

So what are the great dislikes about WLM?

The most recent version of WLM (ver. 15, aka WLM 2011) is unable to
mark material quoted from previous messages from your own words. As far
as the reader can see, you wrote both. It's guaranteed to create
misunderstanding and confusion - which is precisely what a newsreader
is supposed to help avoid. Microsoft has shown no sign of fixing their
broken product.

The previous version (ver. 14, aka WLM 2009) works slightly better in
that regard.

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

The most recent version of WLM (ver. 15, aka WLM 2011) is unable to
mark material quoted from previous messages from your own words. As far
as the reader can see, you wrote both. It's guaranteed to create
misunderstanding and confusion - which is precisely what a newsreader
is supposed to help avoid. Microsoft has shown no sign of fixing their
broken product.

I get the impression that Microsoft have a long term agenda that
includes getting everyone to use their web offerings. They have
already abandoned their newsgroups and want people to use their web
forums. They will soon make their email clients unusable and start
plugging message orientation soon. Don't send an email, send a
message. Use side posting. Threads on left, messages on the right.

Steve

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[Nil]

I get the impression that Microsoft have a long term agenda that
includes getting everyone to use their web offerings. They have
already abandoned their newsgroups and want people to use their
web forums.

I don't usually like conspiracy theories, but this smells of one. Why
else would Microsoft break features that were previously working, and
then decline to fix them? Surely they know all about it. It's not an
obscure bug, it affects a major function of the program. The only
explanation that makes sense to me is that they are intentionally
trying to damage Usenet by making the experience worse for everyone.

 

[Big Steel]

I get the impression that Microsoft have a long term agenda that
includes getting everyone to use their web offerings. They have
already abandoned their newsgroups and want people to use their web
forums.

MS did that to keep down the noise level, and to stop the Linux trolls
from destroying threads.

They will soon make their email clients unusable and start
plugging message orientation soon. Don't send an email, send a
message. Use side posting. Threads on left, messages on the right.

You do have your fingers on the heart and plus of it. Huh?

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

I don't usually like conspiracy theories, but this smells of one. Why
else would Microsoft break features that were previously working, and
then decline to fix them? Surely they know all about it. It's not an
obscure bug, it affects a major function of the program. The only
explanation that makes sense to me is that they are intentionally
trying to damage Usenet by making the experience worse for everyone.

Exactly. It's not a conspiracy as it is already happening. Microsoft
have already abandoned their own newsgroups and created lots of web
forums for the same topics. Less and less MVP's are using newsgroups
and have moved to web forums. That process started quite a long time
ago. I can't stand having to use web forums because it's far too
clumsy to have to check one at a time for updates when newsgroups were
all in one place.

Steve

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[Steve Hayes]

I've found better results using separate clients for each, I use
Pegasus Mail for email and Xnews for newsgroups.

I use Pegasus for mail and Free Agent for news.

Pegasus = http://www.pmail.com/
Note links to the support section, there are very good forums.

But Pegasus is not good if you want all the latest malware and viruses on your
computer.

One thing about it, though -- I can read all the mail I've saved over the last
13 years, and even reply to it -- can you do that with Windows Live Mail or
irs predecessors?

 

[Brian Gregory [UK]]

So there's NOBODY who can answer his question then?

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

MS did that to keep down the noise level, and to stop the Linux trolls
from destroying threads.

That was their excuse but the web forums are too clumsy to check.

You do have your fingers on the heart and plus of it. Huh?

I went through the same email to message move on another platform
years ago. It didn't work but the management insisted it was the way
to go for privacy reason. Their messages were private but everything
was available to them.

Steve

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[Steve Hayes]

I don't usually like conspiracy theories, but this smells of one. Why
else would Microsoft break features that were previously working, and
then decline to fix them? Surely they know all about it. It's not an
obscure bug, it affects a major function of the program. The only
explanation that makes sense to me is that they are intentionally
trying to damage Usenet by making the experience worse for everyone.

Oh, like MS Word -- they are trying to make messages sent by their mail
program readable only to other users of their program, in order to force
everyone to use their program.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

So there's NOBODY who can answer his question then?

First paragraph in

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

 

[Mortimer]

Hi, John.

Windows Mail (WM) is built into Vista and runs ONLY in Vista, according to
Microsoft. (Many users have found how to get it to run in Win7, and it
should not be hard to find the open "secret".) If you upgrade to Win7, WM
will disappear - and nothing will automatically take its place.

Win7 is the first Windows since Win95 to come with NO mail or news client
at all. You are free to choose your own - free or paid - newsreader and
email app. Microsoft's email client is Outlook (currently Outlook 2010),
part of the Microsoft Office suite. Microsoft also offers Windows Live
Mail (WLM), a mail and news app that looks a lot like WM, which looks a
lot like Outlook Express (OE), but with significant differences in the
interface and under the hood. If you'd like to try WLM, it is a part of
the free Windows Live Essentials suite which you can find at:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/windows-live-essentials

Many users dislike WLM (some dislike it intensely!), but it's what I use,
despite its serious shortcomings.

WLM and Windows Mail have the advantage over Outlook and (to a lesser extent
Outlook Express) that every message (news or email) is stored in a separate
file which is a pure text file and so is editable by a text editor like
Notepad or Programmer's File Editor. This allows messages to be easily
modified: a project that I am involved with sends confirmation emails that
list all the data that I have submitted to a web site; it is quite common
that some categories of data in a given email have been processed whereas
others haven't, so I can easily edit the email to add <strike> tags around
the data that has been processed so I know that I don't need to check it
again in the future.

Having each message as a separate file also means that when I back up the
email store folder, only those messages that have changed or been added will
be copied, rather than copying a huge PST file (Outlook) or a series of DBX
files (one per email folder: Outlook Express) every time.

The downside is that it can take longer to search for messages that contain
desired text in the message body.

WLM and WM seem to be compatible with each other: given messages can be
copied from one PC's mail store to the other's, simply by copying the EML
files, to allow two different PCs to maintain a common list of emails in all
the various email folders. I use SyncToy to synchronise emails from one PC
to another and to archive them to an external hard disk. I only copy the
contents of the folders (whcih each corresponds to an email folder) and not
the control files like .oeaccount files, WindowsMail.MSMessageStore etc.

The store folder is C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail,
with folders below that which correspond to the hierarchy of email folders.

 

[Nil]

So there's NOBODY who can answer his question then?

What makes you say that? The question has been clearly addresse several
times already.