Why I no Longer Use Windows 7.

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/27/10 9:29
PM:

Oh my goodness!! You mean I can't run iTunes in Linux? I'm devastated.

Why?

 

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/27/10 9:28
PM:

Some examples?

I have given many examples. Here are some, again:

* MS Office
* iWork
* Photoshop
* Dreamweaver
* Tofu
* Screenflow
* Camtasia
* iTunes / iLife
* DreamCatcher
* Turbotax (and Quicken)

Add to that the many business apps, such as databases designed for dentists
or chiropractors... many of that class of program where nothing comes close
to Windows.

And there are *no* programs that run natively on Linux that would serve me
as well as each of those do. None.

I am curious what programs people run on Linux which are significantly
better than the OS X and Windows alternatives.

 

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/27/10
9:31 PM:

Ditto. (And, no, I don't like Rush Limbaugh.)

Curious as to why you would not buy any Apple products.

 

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/27/10
9:39 PM:

Again, niche market applications. Probably used by fewer people than the
niche market Photoshop so often mentioned here. Has nothing to do with the
majority of Windows user's needs.

I offered a pretty extensive list. Again:

* MS Office
* iWork
* Photoshop
* Dreamweaver
* Tofu
* Screenflow
* Camtasia
* iTunes / iLife
* DreamCatcher
* Turbotax (and Quicken)

Add to that the many business apps, such as databases designed for dentists
or chiropractors... many of that class of program where nothing comes close
to Windows.

And there are *no* programs that run natively on Linux that would serve me
as well as each of those do. None.

 

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Alias stated in post [email protected] on 10/28/10 1:27 AM:

Overpriced and underpowered, although they've come down in price since
they were charging $4000 for the first Mac.

Curious why you think most price comparisons end up finding the Mac to be
similarly priced to comparable computers.

 

[Boscoe]

Again, niche market applications. Probably used by fewer people than the
niche market Photoshop so often mentioned here. Has nothing to do with the
majority of Windows user's needs.

Here again we have the same old Linux mantra. All together now,
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses...

PMSL

 

[Leythos]

I value my time also -- that's why I like Linux. Faster booting, less disk
thrashing when the OS is booted, no anti-malware or anti-virus worries (no
lost time to the constant updates required for those applications) and an
easy path to updating the OS *and* the applications all at the same time
with one command.

Nothing like that in the Windows world.

Strange, I find Ubuntu slower than XP, about the same as Win 7, Ubuntu
has updates, more than Win 7 has so far, and all of my hardware is
supported in Win XP and Win 7 (even x64). I didn't have to buy or
download new programs to use Win 7, but I would have to change almost
everything to do the same work on Ubuntu, not to mention learning those
new apps.....

In my 30+ years of using computers I've had exactly 1 virus on the
thousands of computers I manage/use.

 

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Alias stated in post [email protected] on 10/28/10 2:07 AM:

They're wrong, very wrong.

What makes you think that? And why are almost all of them wrong? That just
seems weird.

Perhaps you can show me a Mac with a one gig
video card that costs less than $1000.

Is there one? Not that I know of. But let's stay on topic before we look
for one, OK?

 

[JEDIDIAH]

They're wrong, very wrong. Perhaps you can show me a Mac with a one gig
video card that costs less than $1000.

I have a couple of recent (enough) Minis that are pretty much completely
useless for light gaming because of the video card they came with. Never mind
the higher end video cards. I would be happy with something that is at the
very least SUPPORTED by the companies porting Mac games.

Although performance seems to be... lacking, even with the kit that is
supported. I'm seriously curious if the same game under Win7 wouldn't run
circles around the MacOS version on identical hardware.

 

[JEDIDIAH]

Here again we have the same old Linux mantra. All together now,
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses...

These sorts of apps were invented on the Atari ST.

It didn't save that platform. Lack of them won't damn another one.

 

[RonB]

Strange, I find Ubuntu slower than XP, about the same as Win 7, Ubuntu
has updates, more than Win 7 has so far, and all of my hardware is
supported in Win XP and Win 7 (even x64). I didn't have to buy or
download new programs to use Win 7, but I would have to change almost
everything to do the same work on Ubuntu, not to mention learning those
new apps.....

In my 30+ years of using computers I've had exactly 1 virus on the
thousands of computers I manage/use.

And how many hours of your life is spent trying to keep viruses (and
malware) at bey? Or are those Windows anti-malware and anti-virus
applications really unnecessary? I don't have to worry about it in Linux.

 

[RonB]

Here again we have the same old Linux mantra. All together now,
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses...

Right, "excuses." The fact I don't use niche market applications means
that I'm in the mainstream, not the opposite. And I wonder how many
Windows users use the niche market applications mentioned? Not many,
otherwise they wouldn't be "niche" market products.

The only non-niche market product I saw listed was M$ Office, and there
are plenty of alternatives to that. I've *never* used M$ Office except at
work when I had no option.

Just the facts, ma'am.

 

[RonB]

I looked and they start at 2000 US Dollars. Overpriced and underpowered
compared to white boxes.

Yeah, but the Apple machines have the Apple logo. Surely worth an extra
thousand dollars -- unless you don't particularly like the Apple logo. But
who *couldn't* like it? That's just crazy.

 

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/28/10
10:41 AM:

And how many hours of your life is spent trying to keep viruses (and
malware) at bey? Or are those Windows anti-malware and anti-virus
applications really unnecessary? I don't have to worry about it in Linux.

I install AVG and Adaware. Pretty much that is it, though they do sometimes
have annoying popups of their own.

 

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/28/10
10:45 AM:

Right, "excuses." The fact I don't use niche market applications means
that I'm in the mainstream, not the opposite.

I already gave you a whole list of fairly common programs - ones I know I
use - which are not available for Linux. Here it is again:

* MS Office
* iWork
* Photoshop
* Dreamweaver
* Tofu
* Screenflow
* Camtasia
* iTunes / iLife
* DreamCatcher
* Turbotax (and Quicken)

Add to that the many business apps, such as databases designed for dentists
or chiropractors... many of that class of program where nothing comes close
to Windows.

And I wonder how many Windows users use the niche market applications
mentioned? Not many, otherwise they wouldn't be "niche" market products.

But there are many, many niches which Windows serves well and, frankly,
Linux does not - even if we ignore the fact that the general UI of desktop
Linux is not a reason to pull people to Linux (as even Shuttleworth
acknowledges).

The only non-niche market product I saw listed was M$ Office, and there
are plenty of alternatives to that. I've *never* used M$ Office except at
work when I had no option.

Just the facts, ma'am.

But there is nothing that competes well with MS Office on Linux. That is a
significant downside for many people.

 

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RonB stated in post [email protected] on 10/28/10
10:46 AM:

Yeah, but the Apple machines have the Apple logo. Surely worth an extra
thousand dollars -- unless you don't particularly like the Apple logo. But
who *couldn't* like it? That's just crazy.

Huh? I guess in the same way you pay for the Dell or HP logo, sure. But
the logos have meaning... one that goes over your head.

 

[Leythos]

And how many hours of your life is spent trying to keep viruses (and
malware) at bey? Or are those Windows anti-malware and anti-virus
applications really unnecessary? I don't have to worry about it in Linux.

Once the computers and network are configured, as we also do, even for
our Nix based networks, there is little investment in time, possibly 1
hour a month to check reports and file them for compliance audits.

My own computers, in my home, 8 servers (some have 4-6 virtual children
OS's) and 7 workstations, don't cause me any time spent on malware
because they are properly secured, the networks are secure, the firewall
appliance is secured and filtering....

I spend just as much time installing Nix updates for the OS and apps as
I do Windows updates, but my win machines support more hardware THAT I
USE than my nix machines.

 

[Leythos]

Zero!

Or are those Windows anti-malware and anti-virus

Keep saying that if it makes you feel secure.

Strange how we see rooted nix boxes all over the internet

 

[RonB]

You're probably a part of a net bot and don't even know it. Adaware?
LOL!

Annoying popups is just the beginning of the story. Constant updating and
scanning is another huge time waster in the Windows world.

Not a worry when running Linux.

 

[RonB]

Once the computers and network are configured, as we also do, even for
our Nix based networks, there is little investment in time, possibly 1
hour a month to check reports and file them for compliance audits.

My own computers, in my home, 8 servers (some have 4-6 virtual children
OS's) and 7 workstations, don't cause me any time spent on malware
because they are properly secured, the networks are secure, the firewall
appliance is secured and filtering....

I spend just as much time installing Nix updates for the OS and apps as
I do Windows updates, but my win machines support more hardware THAT I
USE than my nix machines.

The nice thing about Linux is I don't have to worry about "properly"
configuring my computer. And that's a huge advantage for a home user. And,
let's face it, you're the exception, not the rule. Most Windows users
actually believe that, if they keep their Windows OS up to date and update
and run anti-virus software, they won't get viruses and malware. Obviously
they do get infected anyhow, and it's worse than that -- they're registry
will often get corrupted because... well, no one really seems to know
exactly why. BSOD, KSOD, or just a general registry corruption? Backup (if
you can) and reinstall. How many times a year do people reinstall Windows
because of viruses or general malware, or even bitrot? A lot. My nephews
do it on a regular basis -- when Windows starts slowing down they
reinstall, so they can get that "new" performance. Do a Google search and
see how many times "reinstall" is suggested as a Windows "fix."

I don't have time for the hassle.