Why do I have to give myself permission to change things?

[Big Steel]

I dual boot XP & 7. I was not qualified to open a sub folder containing
photographs in "My Pictures"? I was able to open the folder in XP. I was
in Windows 7 on the same computer & wanted to change the photo
associated with a user. I drilled down to a data folder labeled "Family"
containing photos of my family. I am the administrator & I was denied
access. This has happened so many times with different non-system
folders that I cannot provide the exact steps but I play around with
permissions & choose one of the dozens of users listed (though I am the
only user) & enable complete control for them one by one until it allows
access.
Why would Windows 7 deny access to a user/administrator of a folder
created by that same user? This is not a setting to protect the
integrity of the OS from the uninformed, it is a bug.

LOL a bug! You simple don't know how to set the proper permissions on a
file or folder. You lucked into giving the right combination of user
accounts the proper permissions (full control) when you did them all on
the folder.

The next time, just set User (computer name\user) account to the same
permissions that the Administrator account has on the file or folder,
and you are good to go.

 

[Allen]

Instead of demanding to have others spoon feed you, why not take some
responsibility and do it yourself? Gee, I hope EW doesn't see your
childish response and get the idea that's how things run in this
newsgroup.

Speaking of childish!
Allen

 

[Rich]

Why would Windows 7 deny access to a user/administrator of a folder

LOL a bug! You simple don't know how to set the proper permissions on a
file or folder. You lucked into giving the right combination of user
accounts the proper permissions (full control) when you did them all on
the folder.

The next time, just set User (computer name\user) account to the same
permissions that the Administrator account has on the file or folder, and
you are good to go.

OK, maybe "bug" is the wrong term. I had a feeling I would hear about that
from the experts in this group. Actually I appreciate your explanation &
instructions for my future use. However, am I missing something or do you
see the unnecessary lack of complexity when someone wants to create a folder
to throw some files into in Windows 7 only to find that they cannot get back
into that folder later on? In XP you just create the folder & you're good to
go. So you are saying that after I create a folder in Windows 7, I should
then right-click for permissions & allow total access at that point? The
problem is that although I am the only user, Windows 7 lists several users
with at least a couple using my name so I am never sure which one to select
to free up the folder. I am in XP now so I cannot give you an exact number
of accounts listed. Would the correct user account be "My
Name"/Administrator, Administrator or "All Users"? Another question....is
there some option I can check/un-check in Windows 7 that would allow all
created folders to default to full access?
Thanks again. I appreciate your input & information.

Rich

 

[Nil]

Why in all hell did you even bother responding, tell us what
clicks to make, or butt up!!!!!

Ask the question in a friendly, respectful way, and I might. Otherwise,
look it up yourself.

 

[Big Steel]

OK, maybe "bug" is the wrong term. I had a feeling I would hear about
that from the experts in this group. Actually I appreciate your
explanation & instructions for my future use. However, am I missing
something or do you see the unnecessary lack of complexity when someone
wants to create a folder to throw some files into in Windows 7 only to
find that they cannot get back into that folder later on?

In XP you just
create the folder & you're good to go.

Yeah, and XP is an open by default O/S wide open to attack too. However,
SP(s) have closed that O/S down somewhat, but it's still wide open to
attack.

So you are saying that after I
create a folder in Windows 7, I should then right-click for permissions
& allow total access at that point?

If you can't access it what are you going to do but set the proper
permissions by user account.

Win Vista and Win 7 are not XP, and they are O/S(s) closed by default,
which you'll have to have the savvy to open them up.

Let's say on XP that user user admin account has all permissions on a
folder, but the Everyone account doesn't have those same permissions on
the folder. Let's say Everyone doesn't have write permissions. What do
you think is going to happen for 'all users' that try do write a file to
that folder. Everyone is going to supersede all other user permissions
in this situation.

So Win 7 is not working like XP and the USERS (pc-name) Users is kind of
like Everyone. Just go set the permissions as needed. What's the big deal?

The problem is that although I am
the only user, Windows 7 lists several users with at least a couple
using my name so I am never sure which one to select to free up the
folder.

I don't know what you have done to have so many accounts. I have
administrator, User and some user accounts on the folder that have
nothing to do with my user account and its permissions. Remember this,
your account is part of the Administrator users, but it is also a member
of the Users (pc-name) users.

I am in XP now so I cannot give you an exact number of accounts
listed. Would the correct user account be "My Name"/Administrator,
Administrator or "All Users"? Another question....is there some option I
can check/un-check in Windows 7 that would allow all created folders to
default to full access?

I have not seen it and you are going to have to do it manually, based on
the two accounts I have talked about -- the permissions of Administrator
and User (pc-name) users. I know that Users can cancel out admin
permissions on Vista and Win 7 too.

If you want absolute full admin permissions, then use the hidden admin
account, because the one Win 7 gives you out of the box is not the same,
just don't use while surfing the Internet.

<http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...idden-administrator-account-on-windows-vista/>

 

[Stan Brown]

That makes NO sense!!! What kind of looney policy is it that denies an
"administrator" his rights as administrator!!!

No, please don't even try .........

"My mind is made up; don't try to confuse me with your logic."

 

[Seth]

I dual boot XP & 7. I was not qualified to open a sub folder containing
photographs in "My Pictures"? I was able to open the folder in XP. I was
in Windows 7 on the same computer & wanted to change the photo associated
with a user. I drilled down to a data folder labeled "Family" containing
photos of my family. I am the administrator & I was denied access. This
has happened so many times with different non-system folders that I cannot
provide the exact steps but I play around with permissions & choose one of
the dozens of users listed (though I am the only user) & enable complete
control for them one by one until it allows access.
Why would Windows 7 deny access to a user/administrator of a folder
created by that same user? This is not a setting to protect the integrity
of the OS from the uninformed, it is a bug.

I suspect by "same user" you mean user by the name of "X" on the XP machine
created the folder and a user also by the name of "X" on the Win7 machine
was denied access? Just because the names have the same label, "X", doesn't
make them the same person. Your mom named you "Rich". I have a buddy who
also was named "Rich". Are you the same people? Didn't think so.

Enable some sort of "common" access, which it sounds like you accomplished
in your travels and both can get to the files.

 

[Rich]

I suspect by "same user" you mean user by the name of "X" on the XP
machine created the folder and a user also by the name of "X" on the Win7
machine was denied access? Just because the names have the same label,
"X", doesn't make them the same person. Your mom named you "Rich". I have
a buddy who also was named "Rich". Are you the same people? Didn't think
so.

Enable some sort of "common" access, which it sounds like you accomplished
in your travels and both can get to the files.

My full given name is Richard however I do not have the pleasure of knowing
anyone named Seth so I guess I am not the "Rich" you know.
You are correct in your assumption that the folder was originally created in
XP & later accessed in Windows 7. When I encounter a "no permission" folder
in Windows 7 I usually go into "permissions" & choose the user account that
I believe represents me. Believe it or not, I believe there are a couple of
user accounts with my name: "Rich", "Rich/Administrator", etc. I never
remember to make note of which account, when given full access, allows me
into the blocked folder. Sometimes it's the first account I select but
usually by the second or third account I am able to access the folder. The
paradox here is that an average user may inadvertently give full access to
the incorrect user account before freeing up the folder for themselves
thereby rendering the OS less secure in theory.
The point that you made concerning the folder being created in XP may be the
critical issue now that I think about it. I'm not sure that I have ever been
denied access to a folder that I have created in Windows 7.
Thanks for your input & say hello to Rich for me.
Regards,
Rich

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Rich.

You may be missing the point Seth is trying to make.

When WinXP established a User account for "Rich", it called that user "Rich"
for display purposes, but it assigned a cryptic alias internally. (If you
are familiar enough with the Registry, you may be able to find it in
HKEY_USERS. Personally, I've never tried to decipher these for my
accounts.)

When Win7 established a User account for "Rich", it went through a similar -
but different - internal conversion algorithm, resulting in a different
internal equivalent to "Rich". On the surface, it looks like WinXP's
"Rich", but Win7 can tell the difference.

Because of all these internal transformations, a file created by "Rich" in
WinXP is not recognized as owned by "Rich" in Win7. So, in Win7, "Rich"
must somehow take ownership of that file, or give Win7's "Rich" permission
to read WinXP's "Rich's" file.

As I said, I am just a user, a non-programmer/non-developer, and I've never
learned what the internal machinations are, so I can't explain it any better
than this non-technical version. Maybe someone here can fill in the proper
technical details - if you need them.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3508.1109) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Rich" wrote in message

I suspect by "same user" you mean user by the name of "X" on the XP
machine created the folder and a user also by the name of "X" on the Win7
machine was denied access? Just because the names have the same label,
"X", doesn't make them the same person. Your mom named you "Rich". I have
a buddy who also was named "Rich". Are you the same people? Didn't think
so.

Enable some sort of "common" access, which it sounds like you accomplished
in your travels and both can get to the files.

My full given name is Richard however I do not have the pleasure of knowing
anyone named Seth so I guess I am not the "Rich" you know.
You are correct in your assumption that the folder was originally created in
XP & later accessed in Windows 7. When I encounter a "no permission" folder
in Windows 7 I usually go into "permissions" & choose the user account that
I believe represents me. Believe it or not, I believe there are a couple of
user accounts with my name: "Rich", "Rich/Administrator", etc. I never
remember to make note of which account, when given full access, allows me
into the blocked folder. Sometimes it's the first account I select but
usually by the second or third account I am able to access the folder. The
paradox here is that an average user may inadvertently give full access to
the incorrect user account before freeing up the folder for themselves
thereby rendering the OS less secure in theory.
The point that you made concerning the folder being created in XP may be the
critical issue now that I think about it. I'm not sure that I have ever been
denied access to a folder that I have created in Windows 7.
Thanks for your input & say hello to Rich for me.
Regards,
Rich

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Under "User Accounts" I am listed as administrator, but I still can't
modify quake3.cfg.

I had given quake3.cfg full access before I could modify it. I found
out from this group that any file in the "program files" directory
would do this. Because I wanted to do more modifying to the quake
folder I made a directory c:\games\quake but I was blocked from
changing the quake3.cfg file.

I am the only one that uses the computer. It seems really really
stupid to have to grant myself permission to do anything.

It would be nice to block programs from making unwanted changes, but I
don't understand why I have to grant myself permission.

This is a generic comment about this thread. I'm ignoring the people
who just want to complain

Microsoft's real mistake (as often happens) is in the way they name or
describe things, in this case, the user accounts.

1. There is one Administrator account. and its name is - tada -
Administrator. It has a lot of privileges, probably all privileges.

2. There are two categories of user accounts. One is of type
"administrator", the other of type "standard user" (neither one can be
named Administrator).

3. The first of these has a *limited* subset of administrator
privileges.

4. The second has very limited privileges (e.g., it can't install
software).

5. There is a way to log in to the real Administrator account when it
is needed. It can be dangerous, but so can the other two

 

[Leon Manfredi]

Instead of demanding to have others spoon feed you, why not take some
responsibility and do it yourself? Gee, I hope EW doesn't see your
childish response and get the idea that's how things run in this
newsgroup.

I am under the impression that the reason for these conferences,
is to be of knowledge and assistance to all..... well, you know what
your telling me.....You are a faker..... with a capital "F" !!
You don't really know how to do it yourself at all, just looking for
attention,,
"YOUR'E AN ATTENTION GETTER"

 

[EWyatt]

"My mind is made up; don't try to confuse me with your logic."

Nevertheless, you and Big Steel have no logical answer to why an
"administrator" can't have "administrator's" rights! That smacks of
arrogance and misdirection.

 

[Leon Manfredi]

Ask the question in a friendly, respectful way, and I might. Otherwise,
look it up yourself.

HA!.... The Three Musketeers
I, as will others, remember you, when we see again, much of the real
abusive language, that has been posted here in the past...

 

[Char Jackson]

Nevertheless, you and Big Steel have no logical answer to why an
"administrator" can't have "administrator's" rights! That smacks of
arrogance and misdirection.

You haven't been reading the various replies in this thread. It has
already been clearly explained why the defaults are as they are and
that it's trivial to change them if you so desire. Please stop
pretending that you aren't able to do whatever you want to do.

 

[Char Jackson]

I am under the impression that the reason for these conferences,
is to be of knowledge and assistance to all..... well, you know what
your telling me.....You are a faker..... with a capital "F" !!
You don't really know how to do it yourself at all, just looking for
attention,,
"YOUR'E AN ATTENTION GETTER"

In all the times I've asked for help since I discovered Usenet in
1984, it never once occurred to me to do so by throwing a tantrum and
yelling at the people who were in a position to help me. My way, using
a bit of common courtesy, seemed to have worked well over the years.
How is your way working out?

 

[Nil]

HA!.... The Three Musketeers
I, as will others, remember you, when we see again, much of the
real abusive language, that has been posted here in the past...

Ooooh... stop it, you're scaring me!


Did you find out "what clicks to make" yet?

 

[Big Steel]

Nevertheless, you and Big Steel have no logical answer to why an
"administrator" can't have "administrator's" rights! That smacks of
arrogance and misdirection.

Why don't you read some of my posts to other posters in this thread as
to the reasons why instead of running your mouth ignorantly?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

In all the times I've asked for help since I discovered Usenet in
1984, it never once occurred to me to do so by throwing a tantrum and
yelling at the people who were in a position to help me. My way, using
a bit of common courtesy, seemed to have worked well over the years.
How is your way working out?

He won't be getting much help from me.

But then, maybe I don't know enough anyway

Here's some info for you, Manfredi, if you're listening. Char Jackson
has helped a lot of people in this newsgroup. He knows a lot and he
shares it readily.

 

[Char Jackson]

He won't be getting much help from me.

But then, maybe I don't know enough anyway

Here's some info for you, Manfredi, if you're listening. Char Jackson
has helped a lot of people in this newsgroup. He knows a lot and he
shares it readily.

Aww, shucks, Gene. Where do I send the payment?

Fortunately, there are many fine people here (including you, Gene!)
who gladly share their knowledge.

 

[Etal]

Under "User Accounts" I am listed as administrator, but I
still can't modify quake3.cfg.

I had given quake3.cfg full access before I could modify it.
I found out from this group that any file in the "program
files" directory would do this. Because I wanted to do more
modifying to the quake folder I made a directory
c:\games\quake but I was blocked from changing the quake3.cfg
file.

I am the only one that uses the computer. It seems really
really stupid to have to grant myself permission to do
anything.

It would be nice to block programs from making unwanted
changes, but I don't understand why I have to grant myself
permission.

To overcome these shortcomings of the NTFS filesystem, is why ms
developed the FAT filesystem i believe. (¿Or was it the other way
around?)

With WinVista and newer versions of WinNT, like Win7, we can no
longer install the OS on to a FAT filesystem, but we can still
format all other partitions we create/use as FAT32, install
programs like Quake III to it and thus don't have to contend with
being denied permission to our own files.

/Nota Bene/ If single files will be bigger then 2 GigaByte, then
FAT mustn't be used, instead one need to resort to a different
filesystem that can handle files of that size (for example ext3
via a 3rd-party driver).