Where are library contents stored?

S

Steve Hayes

Excellent question. I don't know, but I've added it to a list of
questions of what happens to files. While the usual answers are
correct, as I work with libraries to answer my questions about them, I'm
finding the standard answers to not be in depth enough for my curiosity.
:)
And another question -- if you want to back up all the files in a library, how
do you do it?

It's easy enough to copy a directory and its contents to somewhere else, but a
library?
 
J

Jeff Layman

Jeff said:
Ken Springer wrote:
My apologies for the somewhat misleading subject line, but after 10
minutes of pondering, couldn't come up with anything better. :)

First, yes I'm aware that the actual files/contents of a library are
stored elsewhere, the library is just a list of contents.
Working/dealing with those are the intended subject.

Background:

I'm one that does not believe in having user data on the boot drive. On
a time available basis, I'm helping a friend of mine relocate the
folders in her user documents to another partition on her laptop hard
drive.

I want to do the same with Library data, but so far web searches have
been of no value, or the article is actually talking about the actual
documents and folders, not the "library" entries you see when you open a
library in Windows Explorer.

Somewhere, there has to be a file or something that records what the
contents of a library are, be it folders, files, or shortcuts.

I'm looking for the data that lists the folders and shortcuts contained
in any library. I want to relocate that information to another
partition as well as any user created library. That way, should the OS
need to be reinstalled, the libraries do not have to be rebuilt. A
restore from a System Image should contain the information on where the
library contents are now stored, similar to the users documents.

This obviously needs to include user created documents.

Suggestions? Questions?


http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd861346.aspx

"A library in Windows 7 is stored as an XML definition
file that has a file extension of .library-ms."

I don't know if that'll help, but it might be a start.
At least it doesn't use the registry.
Interesting. Agent Ransack find all the library-ms folders at
C:\Users\{username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Libraries (except
for "Recorded TV" which is at C:\Users\Public\Libraries).

Are those AppData folders real folders or specialised ones? If you
right-click on "Libraries" as a sub-folder of Desktop in Windows
Explorer, there are several options, but there is no "Properties".
Similarly, if any of the actual library sub-folders is right-clicked,
"Properties" appears, but clicking on that only gets one tab -
"Library". Contrast that with
C:\Users\{username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Libraries, where
right-clicking gives the usual extensive options. That includes
Properties | Security, where "Special Permissions" is not ticked. I
wonder if it would be possible to get rid of libraries completely by
getting full control of those folders? I believe that, even if you
delete them, Win7 recreates them at boot.
I have a Windows 7 in a VM right now, and I booted Linux in there, to list
all the files (so "hidden" would not be a problem).

Each library is controlled by a *.library-ms file.

That's how it keeps track of the folders. These are the five files
I was able to find (Win7 SP1).

/Users/username/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Libraries/
Documents.library-ms
Music.library-ms
Pictures.library-ms
Videos.library-ms
/Users/Public/Libraries/
RecordedTV.library-ms

Those files appear to be hidden while I'm in Windows 7 (at
least in Explorer).

I added a couple folders to my "Music" library. The added folders
were on my D: and E: partitions.

If I look in the file "Music.library-ms" (which is an XML text file),

<url>E:\first</url>
...
<url>F:\second</url>

So the two folders I added to Music library, on partitions other
than C:, are now part of the library.

Included in the XML file, is a reference to "@shell32.dll,-34588",
and on the older OSes, that's what causes custom views of things
to be created. So that's the call that checks the XML file, and
decides what to show as "being in that library". Since the libraries
can have different media types, the "-34588" number would be
different for each .library-ms file. That's so music files could
be treated different than video files, when their folder
is being displayed.

A library has a default storage location, and that can be
set to any of the constituent folders (including the
system default before you start adding folders to it).

*******

There's an example of setting the Library here.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com...n/thread/1752b73f-256f-4030-a6b4-75c2b434c1d4

In this picture, they've set the Documents library to a server
of some sort.

http://ajzgnq.blu.livefilestore.com...ESu--LU40VPW7kx/FolderRedirection2.jpg?psid=1

But the actual tracking, of what folders "belong" to the library,
that's an XML text file. It's a list of all the folders. If
you were to move the library, perhaps moving the thing it
defaults to, to another partition, is the best you can do.
If a person adds folders to the library, they're not
actually stored in the library - just made to look like
they are.

In the example I did, I expect if I dropped a music file into
my "music library", it's stored on the default folder for it
on C: (because I didn't change that at all). If I changed
the default folder for such dragging and dropping, to E:\first,
then my storage space on E: gets chewed up.

As near as I can tell, you don't have to move the Library
to another disk. You could change the default storage
location for drag and drop, so any files being dropped
into the library, are sent off to a different partition.

I also notice in the XML file,

<url>knownfolder:{4BD8D571-6D19-48D3-BE97-422220080E43}</url>

Windows uses indirection for some objects, and so I'd look
in the Registry for the "long string thing", to find out
what actual folder that points to. And tracing that backwards,
appears to get rather complicated (there's a whole structure to
walk backwards through).

Better to move it with the GUI I guess :)

Hmmm. Maybe I can test that.
A couple of questions. At
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd861346.aspx, a command is
shown as follows:
C:\Users\steve\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Libraries>notepad.exe
documents.library-ms

Part of that output is the line:
<isLibraryPinned>true</isLibraryPinned>

Any idea what happens if it is changed to:
<isLibraryPinned>false</isLibraryPinned>?

Secondly, at the link you gave
(http://ajzgnq.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p...id=1), the Documents Library
"Documents Properties" tab shows near the bottom a checkbox ticked for
"Attributes - Shown in Navigation Pane". That checkbox is greyed out
and can't be changed for my Libraries folders. Seems a strange
"attribute", and why can't it be changed? I tried unchecking the
read-only attribute for "Libraries" (read-only applies to the files in
folders), but although it appears it can be removed, it reappears as
soon as Libraries "properties" is left-clicked.
 
M

mick

It depends on how you use them, from what I can tell.

To me, MS has misused the word "libraries". A practice they have been known
to do in the past.

It seems to me, the way MS has implemented the library process better fits
people who know little to nothing about hard drive organization, and even
less about keeping the user data out of the boot partition(s). A library
simply becomes a list of folders, under the general heading of libraries, of
similar types of data. One for documents, one for family photos, one for
vacation photos, etc. More or less as the default sub-libraries currently
are in a default installation.

Here's the problem I see with that. What if, in a particular folder, you
have a mixed bag of files. Some are music, some are documents, some are
photos, etc. Which library do you put this folder in? Yes, you can have
that folder displayed in each library, but do you really want your photos and
music files to be listed in the documents library? I wouldn't. They're not
documents.

Done the way MS has it (apparently) set up, does seem useless, redundant,
complicated, and not necessary, to me.

I'm experimenting with an idea of how to view and use libraries differently,
but I'm somewhat sure it's not going to work. If it does, I'll post here
about it.
I think anyone like yourself who builds a robust and coherent
drive/partition/folder and file structure does not need libraries.
IMO, libraries were conceived for the totally disorganised to try to
bring some sort of semblance to the chaos that resides on the computers
of the masses.
Microsoft would have been far better developing Windows Explorer into a
proper file manager instead of the gimmicks ............and Homegroup,
now what's that all about.
I use Directory Opus, first had it on the Commodore Amiga in 1990 and I
am still using it. Its always been my first program to install on every
version of windows since Win3.1
 
P

Paul

Jeff said:
Jeff said:
On 18/03/2013 04:56, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
My apologies for the somewhat misleading subject line, but after 10
minutes of pondering, couldn't come up with anything better. :)

First, yes I'm aware that the actual files/contents of a library are
stored elsewhere, the library is just a list of contents.
Working/dealing with those are the intended subject.

Background:

I'm one that does not believe in having user data on the boot
drive. On
a time available basis, I'm helping a friend of mine relocate the
folders in her user documents to another partition on her laptop hard
drive.

I want to do the same with Library data, but so far web searches have
been of no value, or the article is actually talking about the actual
documents and folders, not the "library" entries you see when you
open a
library in Windows Explorer.

Somewhere, there has to be a file or something that records what the
contents of a library are, be it folders, files, or shortcuts.

I'm looking for the data that lists the folders and shortcuts
contained
in any library. I want to relocate that information to another
partition as well as any user created library. That way, should
the OS
need to be reinstalled, the libraries do not have to be rebuilt. A
restore from a System Image should contain the information on where
the
library contents are now stored, similar to the users documents.

This obviously needs to include user created documents.

Suggestions? Questions?


http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd861346.aspx

"A library in Windows 7 is stored as an XML definition
file that has a file extension of .library-ms."

I don't know if that'll help, but it might be a start.
At least it doesn't use the registry.


Interesting. Agent Ransack find all the library-ms folders at
C:\Users\{username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Libraries (except
for "Recorded TV" which is at C:\Users\Public\Libraries).

Are those AppData folders real folders or specialised ones? If you
right-click on "Libraries" as a sub-folder of Desktop in Windows
Explorer, there are several options, but there is no "Properties".
Similarly, if any of the actual library sub-folders is right-clicked,
"Properties" appears, but clicking on that only gets one tab -
"Library". Contrast that with
C:\Users\{username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Libraries, where
right-clicking gives the usual extensive options. That includes
Properties | Security, where "Special Permissions" is not ticked. I
wonder if it would be possible to get rid of libraries completely by
getting full control of those folders? I believe that, even if you
delete them, Win7 recreates them at boot.
I have a Windows 7 in a VM right now, and I booted Linux in there, to
list
all the files (so "hidden" would not be a problem).

Each library is controlled by a *.library-ms file.

That's how it keeps track of the folders. These are the five files
I was able to find (Win7 SP1).

/Users/username/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Windows/Libraries/
Documents.library-ms
Music.library-ms
Pictures.library-ms
Videos.library-ms
/Users/Public/Libraries/
RecordedTV.library-ms

Those files appear to be hidden while I'm in Windows 7 (at
least in Explorer).

I added a couple folders to my "Music" library. The added folders
were on my D: and E: partitions.

If I look in the file "Music.library-ms" (which is an XML text file),

<url>E:\first</url>
...
<url>F:\second</url>

So the two folders I added to Music library, on partitions other
than C:, are now part of the library.

Included in the XML file, is a reference to "@shell32.dll,-34588",
and on the older OSes, that's what causes custom views of things
to be created. So that's the call that checks the XML file, and
decides what to show as "being in that library". Since the libraries
can have different media types, the "-34588" number would be
different for each .library-ms file. That's so music files could
be treated different than video files, when their folder
is being displayed.

A library has a default storage location, and that can be
set to any of the constituent folders (including the
system default before you start adding folders to it).

*******

There's an example of setting the Library here.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com...n/thread/1752b73f-256f-4030-a6b4-75c2b434c1d4


In this picture, they've set the Documents library to a server
of some sort.

http://ajzgnq.blu.livefilestore.com...ESu--LU40VPW7kx/FolderRedirection2.jpg?psid=1


But the actual tracking, of what folders "belong" to the library,
that's an XML text file. It's a list of all the folders. If
you were to move the library, perhaps moving the thing it
defaults to, to another partition, is the best you can do.
If a person adds folders to the library, they're not
actually stored in the library - just made to look like
they are.

In the example I did, I expect if I dropped a music file into
my "music library", it's stored on the default folder for it
on C: (because I didn't change that at all). If I changed
the default folder for such dragging and dropping, to E:\first,
then my storage space on E: gets chewed up.

As near as I can tell, you don't have to move the Library
to another disk. You could change the default storage
location for drag and drop, so any files being dropped
into the library, are sent off to a different partition.

I also notice in the XML file,

<url>knownfolder:{4BD8D571-6D19-48D3-BE97-422220080E43}</url>

Windows uses indirection for some objects, and so I'd look
in the Registry for the "long string thing", to find out
what actual folder that points to. And tracing that backwards,
appears to get rather complicated (there's a whole structure to
walk backwards through).

Better to move it with the GUI I guess :)

Hmmm. Maybe I can test that.
A couple of questions. At
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd861346.aspx, a command is
shown as follows:
C:\Users\steve\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Libraries>notepad.exe
documents.library-ms

Part of that output is the line:
<isLibraryPinned>true</isLibraryPinned>

Any idea what happens if it is changed to:
<isLibraryPinned>false</isLibraryPinned>?

Secondly, at the link you gave
(http://ajzgnq.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p...id=1), the Documents Library
"Documents Properties" tab shows near the bottom a checkbox ticked for
"Attributes - Shown in Navigation Pane". That checkbox is greyed out
and can't be changed for my Libraries folders. Seems a strange
"attribute", and why can't it be changed? I tried unchecking the
read-only attribute for "Libraries" (read-only applies to the files in
folders), but although it appears it can be removed, it reappears as
soon as Libraries "properties" is left-clicked.
The read-only attribute is a fake.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256614

"Windows Explorer uses the Read-Only attribute
to determine whether or not the folder is customized."

So rather than being a read-only bit, it's an "Am I customized" bit for the folder.

As for the "Shown in Navigation Pane", I don't even know what that is.
What navigation pane would they be referring to I wonder ? It's possible
that because the folder in question is on a server, it has to do with
whether the server should be queried to get the information or not.
Maybe your equivalent folder is local, so the same option doesn't apply ?

Paul
 
B

BobbyM

And another question -- if you want to back up all the files in a library, how
do you do it?

It's easy enough to copy a directory and its contents to somewhere else, but a
library?
It works the same way. For example, right click on a library & choose
"copy" & then paste it wherever you want.
 
K

Ken Springer

And another question -- if you want to back up all the files in a library, how
do you do it?

It's easy enough to copy a directory and its contents to somewhere else, but a
library?
Or, simply make sure those locations are included in your system backups.




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K

Ken Springer

I think anyone like yourself who builds a robust and coherent
drive/partition/folder and file structure does not need libraries.
IMO, libraries were conceived for the totally disorganised to try to
bring some sort of semblance to the chaos that resides on the computers
of the masses.
Microsoft would have been far better developing Windows Explorer into a
proper file manager instead of the gimmicks ............and Homegroup,
now what's that all about.
I use Directory Opus, first had it on the Commodore Amiga in 1990 and I
am still using it. Its always been my first program to install on every
version of windows since Win3.1
That depends on what you expect from a Windows library. I expected it
to operate more like the card file in a real library, which it doesn't.

I agree, it's a system for the disorganised. As well as the ignorant,
I'm sorry to say. The same goes for Homegroup, IMO.

I'm currently building a windows computer, mostly for the challenge, but
to also get what I want in a desktop, something you can't find on the
shelf AFAIK. When up and running, my goal is to truly customize Win 7
to my liking, not MS's liking. Directory Opus and its ilk will likely
be the 2nd customization.

The first will be a more robust Start Menu. I have Classic Menu
installed on my Win 7 netbook, and I like it there. But, I think I'd
like something different on the desktop.


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M

Mike Barnes

Ken Springer said:
The first will be a more robust Start Menu. I have Classic Menu
installed on my Win 7 netbook, and I like it there. But, I think I'd
like something different on the desktop.
For me the Start Menu is very much a weapon of last resort. And I have
no icons on my desktop. I start apps using an enhanced version of the
Quick Launch Bar (remember that?), which holds all my shortcuts in ten
functionally-arranged menu folders. The (Windows Classic) taskbar is on
the left of my widescreen monitor.

For me, XP's Quick Launch Bar has never been surpassed as a way of
organising shortcuts. The Microsoft original was pretty crude but other
developers have made sense of it. http://truelaunchbar.com

Thanks for the pointer to Directory Opus, BTW, I'll take a good look. I
hope it's as good as XTree was. :)
 
B

BobbyM

I agree, it's a system for the disorganised. As well as the ignorant,
I'm sorry to say.
Believe what you like, but it's just not true. Like many things, if
they're used for what they were intended, libraries can be handy. To
the unitiated or those who gave up without really trying something new,
shame on you for name calling (Ken, you were only one of several in this
thread). I've been much more than a casual user of a windows computer
for about 20 years & know my way around the operating & file system very
well. I am neither disorganized nor ignorant; but, because I'm a
libraries' user, you've automatically labelled me as such. If you've
sincerely invested time in trying them & don't like them, fine, but
you're making a gigantic leap when you call those who do disorganized &
ignorant. Could I do without them? Sure, but they're available & I can
use them to my advantage & I'll continue to do so, regardless of the
names you & others come up with.
 
J

Jeff Layman

Jeff Layman wrote: (snip)

The read-only attribute is a fake.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256614

"Windows Explorer uses the Read-Only attribute
to determine whether or not the folder is customized."

So rather than being a read-only bit, it's an "Am I customized" bit for the folder.

As for the "Shown in Navigation Pane", I don't even know what that is.
What navigation pane would they be referring to I wonder ? It's possible
that because the folder in question is on a server, it has to do with
whether the server should be queried to get the information or not.
Maybe your equivalent folder is local, so the same option doesn't apply ?
The answer to "Shown in navigation pane" is here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/580-library-hide-show-navigation-pane.html

The problem I have is a Catch-22. I always have "Show all folders"
operative for Windows Explorer. That means that even if I uncheck those
library's "attribute", those libraries will still be seen. I understand
there is a registry fix that can be made to hide the libraries in WE,
but ISTR it screws something else up.

(I see, BTW, that in the above link the "Note" paragraph repeats the
factually correct but very misleading comment that "Libraries themselves
don't store your files or folders. Instead, they point to different
locations on a hard disk or external drive attached to your computer.".
That's how people delete their files from a library without realising
they are deleting them from their original locations! What it should
say is "Although libraries point to different locations on a hard disk
or eternal drive attached to your computer they *effectively" store the
original file, so that anything done to that file in the library -
including deleting it - is being done to the original file.)
 
P

Paul

Jeff said:
(I see, BTW, that in the above link the "Note" paragraph repeats the
factually correct but very misleading comment that "Libraries themselves
don't store your files or folders. Instead, they point to different
locations on a hard disk or external drive attached to your computer.".
That's how people delete their files from a library without realising
they are deleting them from their original locations! What it should
say is "Although libraries point to different locations on a hard disk
or eternal drive attached to your computer they *effectively" store the
original file, so that anything done to that file in the library -
including deleting it - is being done to the original file.)
I was reading a thread on Microsoft Answers, where someone managed
to delete 1TB of music files, from a disk included in their Music
Library.

What a hilariously expensive way, to learn your new OS features.

It's stuff like that, that make me think of Libraries as a failed
concept.

I like that they allow you to organize your info.

I dislike what the consequences are, if you don't really know how
they work underneath.

A successful feature, is where you don't have to understand
the implementation, to be successful using it.

For example, I still can't find any examples of good advice on
doing backups. Personally, to "prevent my 1TB music collection from
being deleted", I'd be backing up the partitions on my computer
individually. As at least then, I have the notion of not losing
anything. If a backup scheme was "library savvy", I'd be less
confident all my "stuff" would be captured. All it takes
is a small booboo, in my understanding of the Library, and
then my backup is less than complete.

Paul
 
K

Ken Springer

Believe what you like, but it's just not true. Like many things, if
they're used for what they were intended, libraries can be handy. To
the unitiated or those who gave up without really trying something new,
shame on you for name calling (Ken, you were only one of several in this
thread). I've been much more than a casual user of a windows computer
for about 20 years & know my way around the operating & file system very
well. I am neither disorganized nor ignorant; but, because I'm a
libraries' user, you've automatically labelled me as such. If you've
sincerely invested time in trying them & don't like them, fine, but
you're making a gigantic leap when you call those who do disorganized &
ignorant. Could I do without them? Sure, but they're available & I can
use them to my advantage & I'll continue to do so, regardless of the
names you & others come up with.
I did not intend my agreement to the "disorganised" comment to be
specific to you or any particular individual. I'm sorry you read it
that way. My agreement is general in nature, as many users I come in
contact with have no idea about hard drive organization using
folders/directories. And a personal comment, the way windows displays
things in the Explorer Navigation Pane isn't particularly helpful in
understanding things either.

Like anything else computer related, one size does not fit all, just
like socks. LOL Libraries, as apparently intended by MS, does not do
what I would like. Using the word "library" led me to believe it did.
:-( I have a friend who does use them as MS has intended, and loves them.

I have my computers organized, but the library system of Windows doesn't
organize the way I organize. And, won't "usually" display what I want
for organization correctly.

They just don't meet my goals/desires/needs/wants for a "library". :)

But, I believe I have found a workaround, but haven't yet had the time
to test my hypothesis.


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K

Ken Springer

For me the Start Menu is very much a weapon of last resort. And I have
no icons on my desktop. I start apps using an enhanced version of the
Quick Launch Bar (remember that?), which holds all my shortcuts in ten
functionally-arranged menu folders. The (Windows Classic) taskbar is on
the left of my widescreen monitor.

For me, XP's Quick Launch Bar has never been surpassed as a way of
organising shortcuts. The Microsoft original was pretty crude but other
developers have made sense of it. http://truelaunchbar.com

Thanks for the pointer to Directory Opus, BTW, I'll take a good look. I
hope it's as good as XTree was. :)
I like that TrueLaunchBar! I think it will end up part of my Win7 system.

As for Directory Opus, that comes from mick, not me. There is a similar
but free program called FreeCommander you might check out.


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M

mick

I like that TrueLaunchBar! I think it will end up part of my Win7 system.

As for Directory Opus, that comes from mick, not me. There is a similar but
free program called FreeCommander you might check out.
there is a free version of launchbar http://www.freelaunchbar.com/
doesn't do quite as much as the paid version but worth a try for some.
 
K

Ken Springer

So if you move the actual files to another location, does Windows
automatically update the library, or do you have to do it manually?
Windows will automatically update the library contents.


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choro

Windows will automatically update the library contents.
I thought you would have to tell the Library which folders to catalog.
For surely the Library is a mere catalog of files on specific folders
(notwithstanding the stupidity of deleting the actual file when you
might be thinking that you are only erasing the catalogue entry in
Library). The Library would be pre-configured to catalog files in
specific locations and will surely NOT see files in other unusual
folders. For that you'd have to tell Libraries to catalogue those other
folders as well. --
choro
*****
 
K

Ken Springer

I thought you would have to tell the Library which folders to catalog.
For surely the Library is a mere catalog of files on specific folders
(notwithstanding the stupidity of deleting the actual file when you
might be thinking that you are only erasing the catalogue entry in
Library). The Library would be pre-configured to catalog files in
specific locations and will surely NOT see files in other unusual
folders. For that you'd have to tell Libraries to catalogue those other
folders as well.
You're correct on what files are displayed in the library.

If you have two folders, A & B, listed in the library, and you move a
file from A to B, that move is automatically reflected in the library.
If you move a file from A or B to C, and C is not listed in the library,
the file simply disappears from the library. If you move a file from C
to A or B, the file is automatically added to the library.


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choro

You're correct on what files are displayed in the library.

If you have two folders, A & B, listed in the library, and you move a
file from A to B, that move is automatically reflected in the library.
If you move a file from A or B to C, and C is not listed in the library,
the file simply disappears from the library. If you move a file from C
to A or B, the file is automatically added to the library.
Of course because the Library is NOT configured to catalog folder C.
You've got to configure (to tell) the Library to follow and catalogue
folder C as well as the folders it catalogues by default. Stands to
reason, doesn't it?

Incidentally I hate this Library facility and prefer to access the
folders directly. And if I want to trace a file whose whereabouts I
don't know I use "Everything.exe" which is a very useful Freeware.--
choro
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