Where are folder Options in W-7

V

Valorie *~~

Stan Brown said:
My answer is "Right where they always were, at the top of the
window." If you don't see them, then I guess it's possible to
suppress them in Windows 7 but I can't imagine how you did it.
Why would I do it? If I did it I would bring them back. In W-7 they're
hidden.
 
V

Valorie *~

Alias said:
To the right of the clock, there is a rectangular, see through thing to
click.

Ahhhhhh... found it. It's hard to see. :) Thanks.
 
N

Nil

Not true. They were there by default on the HP PCs we bought right
from W95 to Vista. We would never have known they existed.
Yes true. Windows default for the past 15 yeas has been to hide file
extensions. It's a matter of history. You are wrong. If HP changed
the default that's their doing, not Microsoft's. But I don't believe
they did.
Really? All you do is surf the web and use online Forums? Tell me
how to move WM to W-7 so I can again enjoy getting email and
Usenet.
You're not listening: Windows Mail is not qualified to run on
Windows7. If you want to enjoy email and news you will have to use
another of the many fine programs out there, or if you're lucky and
patient you might be able to finagle WM according to the folkloric
instructions handed down from generation to generation.
Tell me how to "get permission" to move files on my own PC.
I have no idea what you're talking about. As usual, you give scant
or no information. I can move files on my Windows7 computer with no
particular problem. I have a feeling you are confused.
Tell me.... how do I get complete control of my own PC so I can
move files on W-7 so it's "functional" for what we need the PC
for, not what MS or anyone else thinks is functional for us. :)
I'll tell you: you learn how to do accomplish the task rather than
sitting there whining. I can do it. Millions of others can do it. I
bet you can, too.
 
R

Rodney Pont

What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret?
The Windows key and D? If that's the one you mean it's not exactly been
a secret. It's been around since the windows key appeared on keyboards.
Windows and E opens up Windows Explorer but I can't remember the others
at the moment.
 
N

Nil

What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button
on the lower right corner of the screen.
It's right there in the Help file. Has been for years. It's no
secret. What, do you want Bill Gates to visit you when you're
sleeping and slip a scented note under your pillow?
This so far has been nothing but aggravation for days now. >:-(
The aggravation is clearly almost entirely of your own making.
 
K

Ken Blake

You're not listening: Windows Mail is not qualified to run on
Windows7. If you want to enjoy email and news you will have to use
another of the many fine programs out there, or if you're lucky and
patient you might be able to finagle WM according to the folkloric
instructions handed down from generation to generation.

Nevertheless, Windows Mail *does* run in Windows 7. I've never tried
it myself, but here are instructions:
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/06/05/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/
or http://tinyurl.com/o276tv
 
J

John Ferrell

I have followed this thread with interest. You appear to be the only other
person here who has noticed that email software is becoming worse. I don't
know why that is, (I am fairly sure Microsoft made wlm deliberately not good
because of the monopoly stuff; of course Usenet is I suppose disliked by
'the authorities' so they hope it is dying out. My ISP does not even
provide Usenet access.
I switched to Thunderbird for email and have been very happy with it.
The look & feel of Outlook Express with many improvements and the
install swallowed up everything from the Outlook Express application.
The next thing is to move it over to the W7 machine.
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
J

John Ferrell

John Ferrell said:
[snip...]
Did you not use any Windows OS since Win95 Original Edition? Most of these
options have been around for a very long time, and the method to get to
them
is not all that different.
I like w7!
Having said that:
It would be nice to have an GUI that would allow simple customizing of
the user interface along with the quick switch available that would
allow using the current Windows operating GUI.

That way I would not have to spend so much time hunting for
incantations that I know are there, just not where.
And what the heck was the point of MS moving things around like that? How is
it an improvement?
My theory is that they use new people with zero experience to make
these decisions.
What app is that? I can't get to the desktop with one click anymore on W-7.
I miss the "desktop" icon on the taskbar.
Use notepad to make the following to a ShowDesktop.txt file, then name
it as a .scf file and put it on the desktop. then drag it to the task
bar...

[Shell]
Command=2
IconFile=explorer.exe,3
[Taskbar]
Command=ToggleDesktop

A few weeks later

What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
lower right corner of the
screen.
The button is blue on blue. The concealment is evidence that MS has
sickies manning the customer interface.

The hot key to the destop is WindowsKey + d
where WindowsKey is the Logo-Flag key which is the second from the
left on the bottom row of my US English Keyboard.
There you go! I want to set the thing up and move on. Not spend days as I
am trying to get some work done and have some fun on the machine. This so
far has been nothing but aggravation for days now. >:-(


MS can't seem to learn anything. The average PC buyer out there is NOT a
techie, Nerd or Geek. That can't seem to get through to MS.
You broke the code!
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
J

John Ferrell

The Windows key and D? If that's the one you mean it's not exactly been
a secret. It's been around since the windows key appeared on keyboards.
Windows and E opens up Windows Explorer but I can't remember the others
at the moment.
I was never forced to need this before since the Icon was always
there...
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
J

John Ferrell

A person after my own heart. I gave similar advice in one of Valorie's
earlier rants^b^b^b^b^b posts, and I was going to repost it here until I
saw your post.
This is always so much fun!
I will be sure to look for the W7 for Dummies Book. They are always a
good starting place. I find it amusing that the folks that put out
products that need a Dummies book are not at least a little ashamed to
ship a product with out the neccessary information to make it go.

I am close to going "live" with W7 but there are a more traps to
find...

Keep the info coming, it is worth wading thru the Spam on this group
to read!
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
K

Ken Blake

I can't get to the desktop with one click anymore on W-7.

Yes, you can. See below.

I miss the "desktop" icon on the taskbar.
A few weeks later

What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
lower right corner of the
screen.

I wouldn't call it a "hotkey."

However it doesn't really look like a button. It's simply the small
rectangle at the very end of the task bar (right, if the task bar is
on top or bottom of the screen); bottom, if it's on the left or right
side of the screen).

Microsoft certainly doesn't keep it a secret, but they haven't done a
great job of explaining all the many features of Windows 7. In my
view, that's primarily because they (and almost all other software
vendors) no longer include a manual with their products.

Why don't they include a manual? To keep the costs done. We may
complain about the absence of a manual, but if there was a manual, we
would undoubtedly complain about the higher price instead.

Although they don't include a manual with their products, there are
*lots* of books we can buy to fill that gap. There are several good
choices, but my favorite is "Windows 7 Inside Out" by Bott, Seichert,
and Stinson.

And for those people who don't want to spend the money for a book, you
can find most of the same information on the internet. Like anything
else, if you want to learn something about it, it takes some effort
studying. If you don't make that effort, blame yourself, not
Microsoft.
 
M

milt

File Extensions are enabled/disabled in the same place. They are
disabled by default. This has been the case for at least the last 3
versions of Windows, it's not new.
That's what everyone keeps trying to explain to this person but they say
"no it wasn't" and go on to whine about the OS some more.

I'm starting to think this person is just a troll because they keep
going on and on about not being able to move files without permission
but tons of people do it all the time and when asked to explain
themselves, they ignore the question completely. One that wants to learn
how to get something to work doesn't just keep complaining and not give
the information that is asked to help them solve their problem.
 
M

milt

Thank you. I'm glad someone here agrees. The last really GOOD OS from MS
was XP. Just about everyone I know agrees.
Finally, the gist of this person's constant complaining and why they
refuse to answer questions to get help. They just want to go on about
how crap Vista and 7 are and how wonderful XP was. Yup, one of those.
Have fun living in the past with your obsolete OS, I'm sure it wouldn't
be hard for you to get an old computer that can run XP and get a copy of
XP. Have fun with that.
 
J

johnbee

Valorie *~~ said:
How do I shut the security crap off? Have you any idea?
Of course I do. I learned about security on a VAX quite a while ago. Have
a go at this:

Control Panel
User Accounts
Change User Account Control settings

There is a slider which you can set at four levels, Try setting it one
level above the bottom - that will I think stop it asking for your password
every few minutes although it will ask you if you run a program which might
affect other users - you won't be asked for a password though, one click to
confirm is all. If you set it at the bottom, User Account Control will be
disabled.

The next level of 'turning off security' however is a lot more work and
entails you very tediously altering the security settings on every file.
The PC will wear out before you finish and you will probably go mad anyway
before that.

Actually also you will not really need to do that because all that you will
stop happening is being asked for your password when you try to peek at
other users' files. I assume that will be fairly rare. If I were you I
would strictly keep out of altering security settings on files and folders,
because it is easy to accidentally do very silly things.

That said however, practice dealing with this by creating a folder somewhere
you don't care about mucking up and create a file in that folder that you
don't mind doing silly things with. Then right click the file or the folder
and look at the Properties, and click on the security tab. You will see a
message suggesting that you 'Learn more about security' (something like that
anyway). Click on it and see if you feel confident about changing things.
If you are a bit daft you can of course go ahead and do whatever you want,
as you say it is your PC.

You will be told a lot of stupidly incorrect things about security, because
as I said, it is a tricky thing. If you really want to learn about it, go
on a course - it will cost you a few thousand quid but might save you from
needing a new PC if you start dickering without training.

Furthermore, even if you do the course it is still extremely likely that you
will make a total Horlicks of it the first few times: and it is really not
worth bothering with.

I will tell you something you don't know and can not find out without a lot
of work. The reason why security is tricky and extremely difficult to learn
is that it is best that few people, IT Pros, know how to do it because if
everybody knows about it, some people will be helped to make a nuisance of
themselves. For another thing viruses and rogue software are a pain in the
nuts for many people and with little security your PC will be riddled with
crap after a few hours, your bank account will be empty and loads of other
people will also have big trouble. The VAX security manual was kept in my
office in a safe with a combination lock.

I back everything up on an external Seagate drive or flash drives.
I would be grateful if you would tell me which software you use for that:
Windows backup tells me I have not enough space despite the fact that my C
drive is only a third used, the external drive has nearly 2 TB free space
and I am backing up only about 50 MB of documents.
I can see why some of the people we know have switched to Macs.
My son has a Mac and swears by it but his children hate it because their
friends use PCs and school only uses PCs.

I must admit that I find the snags and horrors of it part of the fun.

I also noticed something in an earlier message which appears not to have
been mentioned. In short, start Windows Explorer and open a folder with
plenty of files in, and choose Tools, folder options and click the View tab.
I reckon if you scroll down the various bits and bobs you will find that by
default you have a setting to hide known file extensions. If you deselect
it, voila, all the extensions will pop into view. Scuse my French.
 
K

Ken Blake

My son has a Mac and swears by it but his children hate it because their
friends use PCs and school only uses PCs.

Your son and his children are like the rest of us. We like what we
know the best.
 
S

Stan Brown

They are suppressed by default. Pressing Alt pops them up temporarily
and there is also an option to make them permanent.

Barking put a link to that info earlier in this thread.
Thanks, Gene. I did see that.

I've had my Win 7 computer a couple of months, and I must have
enabled them first thing then forgotten all about it.

I've got /Windows 7 Annoyances/. It's pretty good, though I don't
like it quite as well as I did /Windows XP Annoyances/. I've ordered
/Windows 7 Inside Out/ (recommended by several people here) to give
me a better overview.
 
S

Stan Brown

I have followed this thread with interest. You appear to be the only other
person here who has noticed that email software is becoming worse.
I was actually pleasantly surprised by Thunderbird. I have about
five email addresses, and it was pretty easy to set up to retrieve
mail from all of them and send mail from any desired one.
 
S

Stan Brown

Finally, the gist of this person's constant complaining and why they
refuse to answer questions to get help. They just want to go on about
how crap Vista and 7 are and how wonderful XP was. Yup, one of those.
Have fun living in the past with your obsolete OS, I'm sure it wouldn't
be hard for you to get an old computer that can run XP and get a copy of
XP. Have fun with that.
I really liked XP, probably because I took the trouble to really
learn it well. Over the 5.5 years I've had it I have done a LOT of
customization.

So Windows 7 is an adjustment, but as I get into it I'm liking it
better and better. For instance, in XP I had a pretty elaborate
structure in the Start Menu, with a lot of accelerator keys I
created. I was initially dreading re-establishing all those, but in
fact I don't have to. The most common programs I pin to the taskbar,
and the rest I can get just by hitting the Windows key and typing the
first few letters of the program name.

To get the most out of any appliance, you have to read the manual.
My car's owner's manual is several hundred pages, and the first
weekend I had it I read it all the way through and tried everything.
Windows is more complicated than a car (because it does more
different kinds of things), so it's no surprise that it takes some
work to learn to use it effectively.

What's amazing to me is that on the one hand there are people who
stand ready to help, out of the goodness of their hearts (and I've
benefited from that several times already), yet on the other hand
there are people who would rather moan and groan than get help.
 

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