When Will Win7 Stop Being Sold (8 coming)

[Peter Foldes]

"Don" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

Microsoft rumour has it that Windows8 will be on sale sometime in October 1012.
Given past history, when that happens, how long will Windows7 still be available
for sale to the general public? Or do they make sellers pull Windows7 from their
inventory right away? Debating whether to buy a copy of 7 Pro 64 bit now and hold
onto it until I get a custom built box later in the fall. Not interested in
getting stuck with 8 on its first iteration.

Windows 7 with SP2 the support will expire in 2020. Eight more years to go so you
should be safe

JS

 

[BillW50]

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Windows 7 with SP2 the support will expire in 2020. Eight more years
to go so you should be safe

That wasn't the question though. And XP SP3 is supported until 2014 too.
But try to buy a brand new computer with XP installed. And it ain't
happening.

 

[BillW50]

Not from the likes of Dell, HP, et al but I bet you can find XP on eBay,
buy a brand new computer and install XP on it, not that that would be a
good idea what with XP being so lame compared to a modern operating
system like Windows 7 or Linux.

You have it all backwards. Windows 7 eats too much CPU power for itself
that there isn't enough CPU power left too do real time video
converting. XP has no trouble with this task even with a much less
powerful CPU. It is a damn shame that I have to waste my most powerful
machines just to feed a damn OS. And even then, the performance is still
far below par.

Linux? Hahaha good one. I have been using Linux for over 7 years and it
still hasn't changed one bit. It still is a baby OS that runs baby
applications. I really hate all of the wimpy applications like
Thunderbird, Firefox, and Open Office. But what are you going to do? The
other Linux stuff is really bad!

 

[BillW50]

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I have it running on an AMD Athlon XP 3000+ with 2 gigs of memory of
333 speed and an nVidia AGP 6200 with 512MB of dedicated memory and
it runs just fine. I bought the machine nine years ago. You're
confusing Windows 7 with Vista. You're right, though, it won't run
well on a Pentium I, II or III.

Doesn't run well on a Core2 Duo T7400 with 2GB of RAM either.

Bullshit.

Prove it! But I know you are too dumb and can't!

Bullshit.

Prove it! I just plugged in my USB TV tuner and Linux didn't notice
anything inserted into the USB port at all.

Linux doesn't use Open Office anymore. It stopped when Libre Office
came out a year or two ago. You're not up to speed. If you hate
Thunderbird so much, why are you using it to post this very message?
Not only that, you're using a very old version of T-Bird that isn't
supported anymore. Oh, that's right, you don't believe in updating
*anything*. What version of Flash do you use?

Libre Office is a joke! It can't even match the power of wimpy Kingsoft
Office. Your problem is that you use crap and you just don't know any
better.

Which browser do you use, Internet Explorer 6.0?

Maxthon 3. No that doesn't run under Linux either. All of the good stuff
doesn't.

 

[John Williamson]

Not from the likes of Dell, HP, et al but I bet you can find XP on eBay,
buy a brand new computer and install XP on it, not that that would be a
good idea what with XP being so lame compared to a modern operating
system like Windows 7 or Linux.

The gotcha being that allegedly, M$ will not now allow you to activate a
new, unregistered copy of XP, although copies that have been registered
and activated already can be re-installed on a new machine, as long as
they're a retail, not a OEM, version.

I've recently re-installed and activated a couple of copies of already
registered XP upgrade editions on new machines with no problems.

XP uses less resources than 7 for 90% of the same functionality without
the CPU and memory hogging eye candy of 7 and Vista. Linux is still a
few years behind Windows in usability and hardware support, although
it's caught up with XP. <Dons flameproof suit>

 

[Ken Blake]

The gotcha being that allegedly, M$ will not now allow you to activate a
new, unregistered copy of XP,

That's the first I've herd of that. Do you have a citation that shows
that that statement is correct?

 

[John Williamson]

False. If 120 days have passed since the last activation/hardware
upgrade, it will activate on another machine, no problem, if it's an OEM
generic version, not an OEM branded version.

So kill me. I typed "a" instead of "most". Big deal. Although all the
OEM versions of XP that I've tried to install on other hardware have
failed with a warning that they've not been licenced for that use, even
if I try to install by copying the files into an i386 folder on a

Ever try Linux Mint KDE with the plasma interface? If not, do so, and
then get back to me.

Linux Mint with Plasma. Is that equivalent to 7 with Aero? in which case
it's less functional and uses more memory and CPU than the standard XP
desktop. In both cases, the "widgets" and "gadgets" are just another
type of shortcut to a program. Life's too short for me to try every
single one of the hundreds of Linux distros just in case there's one
that I like more than Windows. I've tried the major ones, and once I
leave the desktop, they all work the same way, as that's the way the
programs work. Plasma is only a GUI wrapper for OS calls, just as the
Windows desktop is, as is the Unity desktop.

IMO, the OS is there to link hardware and programs and provide file
handling, that is all. Windows 98 plus a few third party programs did
all that I need an OS to do, until they started writing hardware drivers
that didn't work in '98.

Hardware support is not dependent on the OS but the

hardware manufacturer porting to the OS so the good folks at Linux
cannot do anything to get your Lexmark printer to work in Linux. That's
Lexmark's job.

I don't care whose "job" it is to write drivers. At any given time,
Linux works with a smaller selection of hardware and programs than
Windows, always has, and probably always will, which is hard luck for
anyone who wants to use a particular piece of hardware or software to do
a job if it's not supported by the installed OS. When I can buy
essential hardware or software that's supported in Linux, but not
Windows, *then* I'll consider using Linux on a production machine for
more than internet and office program use. This machine dual boots
Ubuntu and Windows 7, and will do almost everything under Linux that it
will under Windows, except (so far) talk to the internet via the 3G
modem I use, which is one supplied free by Vodafone. I can't import and
synchronise the eleven years of diary data from my Windows CE PDA while
using Linux, either.

FWIW, I use Thunderbird for e-mail, Firefox for browsing and Libre
Office for office work, because they are the programs that suit me. The
OS doesn't matter at all once I'm working in those programs, and I use
the same data files no matter which OS is running.

My website is hosted on a Linux server, because that's the best way to
do it.

 

[John Williamson]

That's the first I've herd of that. Do you have a citation that shows
that that statement is correct?

It's been mentioned several times in threads both here and in alt.windows.xp

Which is why I wrote "allegedly". I've not tried it, because the last
copies of XP I bought, I bought and installed about five years ago and
had no problem with. I have moved those copies onto a number of new
machines since with no problems.

 

[BillW50]

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Runs just fine on my Dual Core E5200 at 2.5 Ghz with 4GB of RAM of
800. Methinks it isn't the computer but the installer: YOU.

Naw... you are just to dumb! You claim to have used Windows since 95 and
have never had an update mess up anything. It is so clear that you are
just so dumb that you can't notice anything. Just like a good little
lemming.

I know there have been changes because I've personally experienced
them. You are too dumb to personally experience them.

That is your proof? That is no proof at all. Linux had little support 7
years ago and it is the same today. With the same crappy applications
they had before. Yeah, change the name from Open Office to Libre Office
and call it new. Yeah lemmings will buy that one, won't they?

I wouldn't know about that as I don't use TV tuners. That said, your
TV tuner is probably not supported in Linux (you didn't deign to tell
us which one you use). Here's a list of supported TV tuners that took
me about 30 seconds to find on the Net:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=21980&start=40

It's not the fault of Linux if your TV tuner doesn't port to Linux.
It's the fault of the TV tuner's manufacturer.

No, it is Linux fault for not being attractive enough! Are you really
that naive Alias? As the saying goes, built a better mouse trap and they
will beat a path to your door. Linux has failed for 20 years now to do
this.

And you call that a list? That isn't even large enough to be called a
list.

Hello?

Oh, that's right, you don't believe in updating

Which is why so many government entities use it, right?

When has the government done anything right? If you want something done
wrong, let the government handle it.

In doing what?

You'll never know! That is because you are never going to be smart
enough to figure it out on your own.

I use MS Office and Libre Office. Does your Office have the capability
of exporting a document as a PDF file?


I tried Maxthon. It looks and acts like it was made for Windows 98.
Ugh. Again, it's Maxthon's fault they don't port to Linux, not Linux.

Oh that is right, if it doesn't have a penguin on it, you don't like the
looks of it. LOL

 

[BillW50]

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Translation: Bill can't reply intelligently so he hurls unfounded
insults. Yawn.

I was unaware that penguins were an insult to you. And if you are going
to cry like a baby, maybe go back home to your mommy and leave us adults
alone.

 

[BillW50]

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The irony! You have the maturity of a 13 year old.

Always making things up as you go along Alias. When are you going to
learn? Oh yeah, that is right, you can't!

 

[John Williamson]

Whatever. You're a True Believer in Windows and there's not much anyone
can do to change your mind except, chuckle, Windows 8.

I've got good reasons for my opinions.

I've got almost a decade before they stop supporting Windows 7. I
thought Windows 7 would be the trigger for converting to Linux until I
finally bit the bullet a few months ago and installed a production
version. It's still slow and memory hungry, but I'm working on that, and
some of the hardware I want to buy this year won't be supported under
XP. I'll think about Windows 8 in a few years, or next time I need a new
computer and can't buy one with 7 on it. ;-)

I use computers to do stuff. I like doing stuff the easiest way, and so
far, Linux hasn't been it. Then again, I've been using Windows since
version 2.0, DOS since version 2.11, and trying Linux since it came with
a command line interface on a 720K 3.5" floppy, which is still in a box
somewhere, and may even still be readable. I remember having to
recompile the kernel on a desktop computer as a major step in installing
Linux on a laptop. Hell, I even remember having to recompile the kernel
as a major step in getting Linux running well on the desktop. Have you
ever hand written a .conf file for X? I have. I've even had four Windows
3.11 boxes simultaneously telnetting into a 486 box running Linux, all
running command line programs on the host, while the host was running a
couple of programs using Xwindows.

When Windows falls over big style and trashes the HD, I reboot using a
Live CD with Linux on it to sort it out.

There's a copy of GEM 3 for DOS round here somewhere too, and at the
time, that did all that Windows did using less memory and CPU.

The only personal computer operating systems I've never tried have been
the Apple ones, and that's only because I thought the hardware and
software were overpriced for what they did, and were too closed.

 

[BillW50]

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I rest my case, your honor.

You don't have a case Alias! We asked you a million times to provide
references to your claims and you can't and won't. You continue to act
like a spoiled brat and tell people they are too stupid. I dunno know
Alias... I don't know why you rather be a dimwit. I guess only you can
answer that one.

 

[Ken Blake]

It's been mentioned several times in threads both here and in alt.windows.xp

Which is why I wrote "allegedly". I've not tried it, because the last
copies of XP I bought, I bought and installed about five years ago and
had no problem with. I have moved those copies onto a number of new
machines since with no problems.

OK, I understand the "allegedly." I thought you perhaps knew something
more authoritative than a post in a newsgroup. I doubt very much that
it's true.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

The irony! You have the maturity of a 13 year old.

Please! I was 13 once...

The ;-) is implicit...

 

[Bob I]

Please! I was 13 once...

The ;-) is implicit...

I think he had a different type of 13 year old in mind. ;-)

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I think he had a different type of 13 year old in mind. ;-)

Yep...