We all knew this was coming. MS to shut down news servers.

[milt]

Usenet isn't dying but some newgroups are a waste of time because of
people like Aliass. That's part of the reason this is being done, so it
can be moderated and assholes like him banned.

People like Alias have nothing to do with it actually. Its more to do
with the idiots that don't have the common sense to ignore his troll
ass. However, its easier to say this is the reason, make it sound good.

Basically, most people that use Windows probably aren't amrt enough to
figure out how to access a newsgroup. It requires things like typing,
and stuff. Web-based forums are easy, they just "click here". Just look
at the posts on those forums to get an idea of what I mean.

 

[milt]

The trolls win.

Nope, not the trolls. This has nothing to do with the trolls.

 

[Char Jackson]

And this is where I have a problem. The bridge software makes it appear
that your news server is on your local pc. However I already run a news
server on my local PC that has feeds from the MS News Groups (so I can keep
a permanent personal archive on groups related to my job).
So if I was to install the bridge then I will be getting conflicts between
my server software and the bridge software :-(

Can you configure each of the local "news servers" to use a different
port for your local access?

 

[MJMIII]

People like Alias have nothing to do with it actually. Its more to do with
the idiots that don't have the common sense to ignore his troll ass.
However, its easier to say this is the reason, make it sound good.

Basically, most people that use Windows probably aren't amrt enough to
figure out how to access a newsgroup. It requires things like typing, and
stuff. Web-based forums are easy, they just "click here". Just look at the
posts on those forums to get an idea of what I mean.

<snicker>

Milt, you hit the nail on the head.

 

[XS11E]

Nope, not the trolls. This has nothing to do with the trolls.

Score:
Crash = 1
Milt = 0

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

They're doing it because most of their users don't even know what Usenet
is and most ISPs have discontinued Usenet access. It also gives them more
control. It has *nothing* to do with trolls like Frank, Death and the
Nymshifter.

They are doing it because of idiots like yourself who pollute the forums
with your Ubuntu bullshit! It's about time!

 

[DanS]

Do you have statistics to back up that assertion?
I'm not saying you're wrong but I'd like to see some hard
data. Anecdotal evidence doesn't count.

Usenet, as a whole has grown, and is still growing explosively,
mostly due to the binary groups.

http://www.newsdemon.com/average_feed_size.php ......

......Shows a full feed is up over 6TB *A DAY* now.

I couldn't find anything specifically related to text-only
groups, and obviously it's a small fraction of the total, but
has it decreased over time ?

 

[Dan K.]

Usenet isn't dying but some newgroups are a waste of time because of
people like Aliass. That's part of the reason this is being done, so it
can be moderated and assholes like him banned.

So true, Many of the ng's I used to enjoy like alt.comp.freeware and others
have been taken over by the trolls. This ng seems headed in the same
direction. I don't find much useful information here on Windows 7. I guess
moderated forums are the only way to go if you are searching for
information. After a lot of the good newsgroups are gone, the trolls will be
all alone and can masturbate to their egos together.

Dan k.

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

So false.


Usenet and Microsoft Public are not the same things. Usenet isn't going
anywhere and if you look at the web based Microsoft forums, there are
plenty of idiots there along with trolls so your whole post is BULLSHIT.

So are you going to be their biggest idiot?

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

No, they're not. Most Windows users have never heard of Usenet or Usenet
trolls like you who only lies and spreads FUD and never helps anyone. If I
were polite and went on their web forums and mentioned Ubuntu, the only
people who would have a hissy fit would be you and your low life buddy
Frank.

Most Windows users don't want anything to do with Ubuntu regardless of which
forum they are in. If you keep posting the crap you post about Ubuntu, they
will kick your sorry ass out! Better go to plan B. Take 100,000 Ubuntu
CD's and travel Africa, trying to get converts to that crappy OS you love so
much. Maybe you can get another 50 users! HA HA HA HA.

 

[Mark Blain]

[...]

They're doing it because most of their users don't even know what
Usenet is and most ISPs have discontinued Usenet access. It also
gives them more control. It has *nothing* to do with trolls like
Frank, Death and the Nymshifter.

Even if your ISP no longer runs a Usenet server, you could still use
Microsoft's server for *their* newsgroups (in fact, I preferred it).

 

[SC Tom]

[...]

They're doing it because most of their users don't even know what
Usenet is and most ISPs have discontinued Usenet access. It also
gives them more control. It has *nothing* to do with trolls like
Frank, Death and the Nymshifter.

Even if your ISP no longer runs a Usenet server, you could still use
Microsoft's server for *their* newsgroups (in fact, I preferred it).

That's the gist of the Microsoft message- they are shutting their news
servers down also. Then you'll have to use the forums for
help/questions/support if there are no alt. or comp. groups on non-Microsoft
servers such as High Winds (Charter) or aioe(?).org.

 

[Mark Blain]

Not the point. I don't think you could find many Usenet users under
40. As ISPs don't offer Usenet and obviously don't promote it and
since AOL nuked access, MS knows that the lion's share of users are
Facebook types that do everything with a browser, including email.

I understand. Another nail in the coffin was Microsoft's decision to stop
bundling a newsreader in Windows. As crappy as OE was, with it gone, less
people ever discover Usenet's existence.

 

[LD5SZRA]

Usenet isn't dying but some newgroups are a waste of time because of
people like Aliass. That's part of the reason this is being done, so it
can be moderated and assholes like him banned.

So how are they going to stop people like Aliass on Forums? If M$
staff are going to moderate them then why can't they do the same
on Newsgroups?

The reason they are moving to Forums is because they don't want
millions of people looking for Support free of charge. They want
to make as hard as possible for people to look for any help.

hth
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[LD5SZRA]

Alias is just one person. He can't bring down entire Newsgroup
technology simply because all he knows is crap. His knowledge
isn't wide enough to destroy anything; He is not a professional
hacker or spammer. He is just a loner with nothing else to do in
life. Most probably he is also jobless and no body wants to hire
him because of his lack of knowledge and intelligence.

hth

So true, Many of the ng's I used to enjoy like alt.comp.freeware and others
have been taken over by the trolls. This ng seems headed in the same
direction. I don't find much useful information here on Windows 7. I guess
moderated forums are the only way to go if you are searching for
information. After a lot of the good newsgroups are gone, the trolls will be
all alone and can masturbate to their egos together.

Dan k.

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[LD5SZRA]

Even if your ISP no longer runs a Usenet server, you could still use
Microsoft's server for *their* newsgroups (in fact, I preferred it).

Mark, that is what they are closing because they don't seem to be
able to control it anymore. Mind you, they will start with less
used newsgroups like Outlook Express, Microsoft Office Accounting,
IE6 browsers then they will move on to newsgroups dealing with
products that Microsoft no longer develops. I suspect they will
close down WindowsXP newsgroups if Windows 7 proves not to be
successful. Obviously, they want people to move to Windows 7 but
if people continue using XP then they will have to do something
about it to kill it off completely.

My 2 pence worth!.

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[milt]

I understand. Another nail in the coffin was Microsoft's decision to stop
bundling a newsreader in Windows. As crappy as OE was, with it gone, less
people ever discover Usenet's existence.

That's because so many of their users can't understand what the heck
usenet even is. If you can't point and click on it, they have no interest.

 

[Dave]

I got it to start and added some forums, but what a dog! It would DL about
500 headers, then timeout. If I left that forum, then went back, it would
pick up about 100 more headers, then timeout again. That's using it in OE6
in WinXP. I haven't tried it on my Win7 notebook with Windows Live, but I
have a feeling it'll be about the same.

I tried it before and got the same as you. I just tried it again and still
the same. I guess they'll get it right one of these days, then it will be
like all the other forum sites, won't have to put up with the trolls and
children as the moderator will kick them off. But, it will probably be
slower and have advertisements like Yahoo and Google does. Probably won't be
any binaries either.
Dave

 

[Leythos]

I understand. Another nail in the coffin was Microsoft's decision to stop
bundling a newsreader in Windows. As crappy as OE was, with it gone, less
people ever discover Usenet's existence.

The worst thing MS ever did was modify their email program to work with
Usenet, usenet has suffered ever since.

 

[Dave]

Alias is just one person. He can't bring down entire Newsgroup
technology simply because all he knows is crap. His knowledge
isn't wide enough to destroy anything; He is not a professional
hacker or spammer. He is just a loner with nothing else to do in
life. Most probably he is also jobless and no body wants to hire
him because of his lack of knowledge and intelligence.

hth

You're correct, by himself he is not strong enough to have that affect, but
if you notice he is getting more company all the time. Some pretend to be
his adversary when in reality they are his ally with the goal of starting a
flame war. The way I've seen it done before was when the mail to news first
came out the ng's got swarmed with children and trolls. They would liken it
to poking a dog through a fence with a stick. Eventually, like the other
ng's I've seen go under, it will be just as another poster stated, the group
will be so full of idiots you won't be able to carry on a civil
conversation. I've been in 3 or 4 ng's where this has happened and the group
was moved to a forum, most of them on Yahoo groups. Like I stated in another
post, this keeps all the trash out, but it's slower and has advertising you
have to contend with.
Dave