W7 old hat?!?!?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

one can't go from `supposed crackpot ideas have been right before' to `we should
take this latest crackpot idea onboard without making it fight for acceptance
like all the previous ones'. - Richard Caley, 2002 February 11 00:02:28

 

[philo]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

Good grief is right.

It took me until this week to upgrade my main machine
from ten year old hardware...all the way up to H/W that's only five
years old

 

[charlie]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

"Up To" means anything you want it to.
Nothing to the limit.

 

[Scott]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

I am frightened to comment, but interested to see what others say on
the subject

 

[VanguardLH]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

If you JUST purchased a new Windows 7 laptop, why would you be
interested in Windows 8? You made your OS choice just now ... and now
you want to change? No. So, "old" is correct because it is highly
unlikely that a significant number of consumers are going to buy a
computer and then immediately go looking for an OS replacement. It's
old because they've used it already and for awhile. If you were to sell
off your existing laptop that you have used and is eligible for this
trade-in offer, you couldn't rightfully claim that it was new meaning
unused. You'd have to sell it off as used meaning old.

Perhaps "existing" would've been less offensive than "old". It's a
marketing ploy to seed your view of your existing hardware as old
meaning inadequate, slow, underpowered, or somehow less than something
new. I still use Windows XP (on my personal-use home hosts). I still
drive a '92 car. Both meet all my expectations and needs. If I
maintain my old car, it'll still be usable for a lot longer. Windows
XP, however, has an expiration coming up in April 2014 when security
updates will cease and when I'll have to consider paying for more that
I don't need or move to something free (e.g., Linux). If you're on
Windows 7, you have a lot longer (Jan 2020) before you really need to
move to a later version of Windows.

 

[Ant]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

Which Linus? [grin]
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[mick]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in your

old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

So my HP laptop which started life as an XP youngster, got Vista in
middle age and now runs Win7 will be deemed by some dodgy PC World
salesman to be worth scrap value only. I don't think I'll bother

 

[Paul]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

Which Linus? [grin]

This one ?

http://petcaretips.net/linus_blanket.jpg

He's a bit older now.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4572715074061588&pid=15.1

Paul

 

[Bruce Hagen]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to �250 when you trade in your
old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

one can't go from `supposed crackpot ideas have been right before' to `we
should
take this latest crackpot idea onboard without making it fight for
acceptance
like all the previous ones'. - Richard Caley, 2002 February 11 00:02:28

Charlie Brown is the Peanuts character that always said: Good grief", not
Linus.

 

[ray]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

Torvalds?

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade

your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

Which Linus? [grin]

[/QUOTE]

I wondered if someone would ask that ...

This one ?

http://petcaretips.net/linus_blanket.jpg

He's a bit older now.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4572715074061588&pid=15.1

Paul

Yup, that's the one I meant. But as Bruce has said, it was Charlie Brown
not Linus who used to say that.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

"Up To" means anything you want it to.
Nothing to the limit.

Oh, indeed; I'd never go for an offer based on just that sort of claim.
(I've often wondered about going for one where they get it wrong - such
as "up to half price" or similar - but have never bothered, on the
assumption that the local staff would just be bemused, and the chain
would have better lawyers than me.)

It was the "old" that bugged me. (See next post.)

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

From a flyer email from PC World today: "up to £250 when you trade in
your old Windows 7 laptop for a Windows 8 machine".

_Old_? Good grief, as Linus would say!

[/QUOTE]
[Actually it was Charlie Brown.]

If you JUST purchased a new Windows 7 laptop, why would you be
interested in Windows 8? You made your OS choice just now ... and now
you want to change? No. So, "old" is correct because it is highly []
Perhaps "existing" would've been less offensive than "old". It's a

Yes ...

marketing ploy to seed your view of your existing hardware as old
meaning inadequate, slow, underpowered, or somehow less than something

.... and yes. That's what I was "good grief"ing about, because I presume
it _will_ work on a (small, but economically worth-doing-it) proportion
of the recipients.

new. I still use Windows XP (on my personal-use home hosts). I still

(And '98lite, here! One of them I keep meaning to upgrade to XP, just
haven't got round to it [the other would struggle with its maximum 128M
RAM].)

drive a '92 car. Both meet all my expectations and needs. If I
maintain my old car, it'll still be usable for a lot longer. Windows
XP, however, has an expiration coming up in April 2014 when security
updates will cease and when I'll have to consider paying for more that

I do wonder quite how many viruses (etc.) will appear taking advantage
of unprotected (or no-longer-protected) XP machines after then, though;
I suspect far fewer than predicted. (And yes, I do know it only takes
one.)

I don't need or move to something free (e.g., Linux). If you're on
Windows 7, you have a lot longer (Jan 2020) before you really need to
move to a later version of Windows.

But you'll appear really un-cool long before that if you stay on 7 (-:.

 

[BillW50]

In VanguardLH typed:

If you JUST purchased a new Windows 7 laptop, why would you be
interested in Windows 8? You made your OS choice just now ... and now
you want to change? No...

Actually yes! I just bought two Dell Latitude ST (slate tablets) that
comes with Windows 7 on them. And I got to tell you, running Windows 7
on tablets is pretty rough. I already purchased a Windows 8 key for one
and I will probably do the same to the other one. Luckily, you can use a
docking station with them and use them as a desktop too. ;-)

Perhaps "existing" would've been less offensive than "old". It's a
marketing ploy to seed your view of your existing hardware as old
meaning inadequate, slow, underpowered, or somehow less than something
new. I still use Windows XP (on my personal-use home hosts). I still
drive a '92 car. Both meet all my expectations and needs. If I
maintain my old car, it'll still be usable for a lot longer. Windows
XP, however, has an expiration coming up in April 2014 when security
updates will cease and when I'll have to consider paying for more
that I don't need or move to something free (e.g., Linux). If you're
on Windows 7, you have a lot longer (Jan 2020) before you really need
to move to a later version of Windows.

Back in 2008, the netbook craze was just taking off. And the early ones
used small 4GB and 8GB SSDs. And it was impossible to install XP's SP3
on those 4GB SSD. As there isn't enough room on those drives to do so.
And I figured after a year, they would be crammed with trojans and
viruses without security updates.

A year later without updates nothing happened to them. So I had taken
some test machines (this is one of them and I use it a lot) and
reformatted and only installed XP SP2 and I didn't install any more
security updates. And they are still malware free after all of these
years. So I am not worried if security updates are available for an OS
or not. All I need is a very good updated antivirus and that is what
saved my butt so far. YMMV

 

[BillW50]

In J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:

... and yes. That's what I was "good grief"ing about, because I
presume it _will_ work on a (small, but economically worth-doing-it)
proportion of the recipients.

I am amazed on what they are selling today. Some of it isn't really
better than my older machines Take these new Dell Latitude ST with an
Intel Atom Z670 CPUs. They come with Windows 7 and Dell configured them
all wrong! Performance is awful on these CPUs. They don't have enough
power to play even most youtube videos satisfactory. Fortunately, if you
turn off most of Windows 7 visual effects (it now looks more like a
Windows 95 desktop now), performance is now useable. ;-)

new. I still use Windows XP (on my personal-use home hosts). I
still

(And '98lite, here! One of them I keep meaning to upgrade to XP, just
haven't got round to it [the other would struggle with its maximum
128M RAM].)

Oh man! I wouldn't run XP on anything less than 512MB of RAM. I put
Windows 2000 Pro on a Toshiba 2595XDVD with maxed out RAM (192MB) and it
constantly swaps to the swapfile as it is booting. Thus it takes like 10
minutes to boot. While Windows 98SE on the same machine boots in like 30
seconds.

I do wonder quite how many viruses (etc.) will appear taking advantage
of unprotected (or no-longer-protected) XP machines after then,
though; I suspect far fewer than predicted. (And yes, I do know it
only takes one.)

I've tested this theory of what happens without security updates on a
bunch of test machines for about four years now. This is one of them.
And absolutely no malware yet. YMMV. Although I think the malware threat
has more to do with the user. As some people seem to get infected even
with the latest updates and some don't.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

How would you know?

He said no security updates, by which he means Windows ones; he didn't
say he wasn't updating the AV, firewall, and so on. If any that is!

 

[BillW50]

Oh he's bragged many times about how he doesn't need an AV program. I
don't think he's so stupid to not use a firewall but you never know!

Where on Earth did I say I didn't need an AV or a firewall, you low life
SOB? I told you that I did for the past many years over and over again.
You are just a dork and can't remember crap. Nor can you get anything
right! Go ahead and find one post where I said I didn't. Go ahead, I
know you can't because I said no such thing.

 

[BillW50]

I love to watch you dance.

I am not dancing... but you sure are moving your feet really fast. And
one of these days you are going to piss off the wrong people and nobody
will care what happens.

 

[BillW50]

Are you threatening me?

Nope! I am telling you not to be stupid, because there are people out
there who have no problems removing you from society. And nobody will
care what happens to you.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Torvalds?

Pauling.

(Advice: don't tempt me to make silly posts.)