System Drive: "Unmovable Files"?

[Sam Hill]

I'm sorry you've lost the plot.

Maybe not...

You're [sic] original comment was relative to no POP3 in Win8, not WLM.

You do not have to explain my comments to me.

<qp> So, screw us POP3 users? Another typical underhanded Micro$haft
trick.</qp>

So you support Micro$haft underhanded tricks. What is your salary from
MSFT?

 

[Char Jackson]

I'm sorry you've lost the plot.

Maybe not...

You're [sic] original comment was relative to no POP3 in Win8, not WLM.

You do not have to explain my comments to me.

<qp> So, screw us POP3 users? Another typical underhanded Micro$haft
trick.</qp>

So you support Micro$haft underhanded tricks. What is your salary from
MSFT?

You still haven't explained what the underhanded trick is.

 

[...winston]

Now that you're on the same plot line
- Win8

The lack of Pop3 in Win8 mail app still has no relevance to WLM

What then is the underhanded trick ?
Underhanded mean secret and dishonest.

- No Pop3 in Win8 RTM included Mail app is not a secret (maybe you thought it was having just learned about it) -
- Nor would the lack of Pop3 in Win8 RTM included Mail app be dishonest (Pop3 in an included email client wasn't an option in Win7
since Win7 didn't even include a Mail client)

For Win8 it (POP3) hasn't been present in the three public beta versions prior to RTM
Underhanded ? (Secret ? Dishonest ?) Hardly

Likewise in any MSFT o/s - installation of same agrees to use of it 'As is'...about as far from underhanded (secret and dishonest)
as one can get.


--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"Sam Hill" wrote in message

I'm sorry you've lost the plot.

Maybe not...

You're [sic] original comment was relative to no POP3 in Win8, not WLM.

You do not have to explain my comments to me.

<qp> So, screw us POP3 users? Another typical underhanded Micro$haft
trick.</qp>

So you support Micro$haft underhanded tricks. What is your salary from
MSFT?

 

[xfile]

Oh, it's definitely true WLM doesn't quote properly, but I didn't say
anything about that. I was referring to your claim that Microsoft
developers don't know how to do certain things. I asked what you based
that claim on. I suspect that you made it up.

Oh that... that was poking fun at Microsoft at throwing the baby out
with the bath water. As Microsoft used to produce some really great
software. But all that has changed in the last few years. And you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see it either.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition 2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

And it isn't just MSFS either. But Microsoft has done this for many of
its departments. It is like Microsoft is hell bent on its self
destruction. Go figure!


Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition 2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

My guess (not a wild guess) is because PC games, in general, are dying,
though slowly. Younger generations are moving to console games and
cellphone/tablet games.

Those "best and brightest" programmers may or may not lose their jobs,
and they might work on other project/games, just not PC games.

I too like PC games but I have no choice but to go along with the *main
stream*

 

[Sam Hill]

"Sam Hill" wrote:
I'm sorry you've lost the plot.

Maybe not...

You're [sic] original comment was relative to no POP3 in Win8, not
WLM.

You do not have to explain my comments to me.

<qp> So, screw us POP3 users? Another typical underhanded Micro$haft
trick.</qp>

So you support Micro$haft underhanded tricks. What is your salary from
MSFT?

You still haven't explained what the underhanded trick is.

What part of "Win8 Mail app only supports (Hotmail, Gmail, Exchange and
IMAP..no POP3)" was so hard to understand?

EOD

 

[charlie]

In Char Jackson typed:

On 9/14/2012 6:13 PM, Paul wrote:
What I can't figure out, is why Microsoft couldn't do this.
They must have at least one clever programmer on staff.

You're kidding right? Have you seen the software that has come out of
Microsoft lately? They don't know how to make WLM even to quote
messages anymore. Nor do they know how to add a Start button in
Windows. And did you see that fish under Windows 8? Looks like
somebody from kindergarten had created it.

This latest "they don't know how to" stuff appears to be completely
made up. Do you have a cite, by chance?

Odd? Nobody else in this thread thought I made this stuff up. They all
commented on how real it is. The only difference in the opinion was the
severity of the reality.

Oh, it's definitely true WLM doesn't quote properly, but I didn't say
anything about that. I was referring to your claim that Microsoft
developers don't know how to do certain things. I asked what you based
that claim on. I suspect that you made it up.

Oh that... that was poking fun at Microsoft at throwing the baby out
with the bath water. As Microsoft used to produce some really great
software. But all that has changed in the last few years. And you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see it either.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition
2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

And it isn't just MSFS either. But Microsoft has done this for many of
its departments. It is like Microsoft is hell bent on its self
destruction. Go figure!


Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition 2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

My guess (not a wild guess) is because PC games, in general, are dying,
though slowly. Younger generations are moving to console games and
cellphone/tablet games.

Those "best and brightest" programmers may or may not lose their jobs,
and they might work on other project/games, just not PC games.

I too like PC games but I have no choice but to go along with the *main
stream*

You don't suppose that senior (management think overpaid) programmers
got replaced by less qualified ones that didn't know what they were
doing - thus causing lower quality code?

 

[xfile]

On 9/15/2012 10:08 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

In Char Jackson typed:

On 9/14/2012 6:13 PM, Paul wrote:
What I can't figure out, is why Microsoft couldn't do this.
They must have at least one clever programmer on staff.

You're kidding right? Have you seen the software that has come
out of
Microsoft lately? They don't know how to make WLM even to quote
messages anymore. Nor do they know how to add a Start button in
Windows. And did you see that fish under Windows 8? Looks like
somebody from kindergarten had created it.

This latest "they don't know how to" stuff appears to be completely
made up. Do you have a cite, by chance?

Odd? Nobody else in this thread thought I made this stuff up. They all
commented on how real it is. The only difference in the opinion was
the
severity of the reality.

Oh, it's definitely true WLM doesn't quote properly, but I didn't say
anything about that. I was referring to your claim that Microsoft
developers don't know how to do certain things. I asked what you based
that claim on. I suspect that you made it up.

Oh that... that was poking fun at Microsoft at throwing the baby out
with the bath water. As Microsoft used to produce some really great
software. But all that has changed in the last few years. And you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see it either.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition
2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

And it isn't just MSFS either. But Microsoft has done this for many of
its departments. It is like Microsoft is hell bent on its self
destruction. Go figure!


Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition 2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

My guess (not a wild guess) is because PC games, in general, are dying,
though slowly. Younger generations are moving to console games and
cellphone/tablet games.

Those "best and brightest" programmers may or may not lose their jobs,
and they might work on other project/games, just not PC games.

I too like PC games but I have no choice but to go along with the *main
stream*

You don't suppose that senior (management think overpaid) programmers
got replaced by less qualified ones that didn't know what they were
doing - thus causing lower quality code?

To be totally honest with you, I don't see any correlations between
seniority and quality and knowledge and skills.

I have seen more than enough people doing the same thing wrong for decades.

It's performance and output count not years of job.

So forgive me for I am one of those who don't believe status quos
including degree, diploma, certificate, and of course, seniority.

 

[Char Jackson]

...winston wrote:

"Sam Hill" wrote:
I'm sorry you've lost the plot.

Maybe not...

You're [sic] original comment was relative to no POP3 in Win8, not
WLM.

You do not have to explain my comments to me.

<qp> So, screw us POP3 users? Another typical underhanded Micro$haft
trick.</qp>

So you support Micro$haft underhanded tricks. What is your salary from
MSFT?

You still haven't explained what the underhanded trick is.

What part of "Win8 Mail app only supports (Hotmail, Gmail, Exchange and
IMAP..no POP3)" was so hard to understand?

That part was easy. The part I stumbled over was where it was
characterized as "another typical underhanded trick", which implies
that it's:
a) a trick
b) underhanded
c) typical
d) not the first of its kind, i.e., "another"

None of those things appear to be true, so I asked for clarification.
It's as simple as that. If you can't defend it, I understand.

EOD

Explosive Ordinance Disposal? I have friends in that career field.
Thanks for asking.

 

[Ken Springer]

I'm not cleaning up the quoting mess.......

...winston wrote:

the era of free software is gone) -

Only in the Windows World. (Oh, I guess in the Mac World, too)

Wouldn't the definition of Windows World and Mac World have an effect on
the statement "the era of free software is gone"? If you mean free
software available from Microsoft and Apple only, I think I'd agree.
But overall, free software is available, but you have to go look for it.

Note the 3 free packages I use in my sig.
--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 14.0.1
Thunderbird 15.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2

 

[Sam Hill]

Note the 3 free packages I use in my sig.

I use those same applications, except my Firefox is newer than yours.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I have seen more than enough people doing the same thing wrong for decades.

Years ago a friend of mine used to ask in interviews, when someone said
he had been programming for 10 years,

"Did you have ten years of experience, or one year of experience ten
times over?"

 

[xfile]

Years ago a friend of mine used to ask in interviews, when someone said
he had been programming for 10 years,

"Did you have ten years of experience, or one year of experience ten
times over?"

Exactly, and worst of all, you will be amazed by how many people
repeating the same experience over the years without even thinking
about, if it needs to improve and how to improve it.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

Years ago a friend of mine used to ask in interviews, when someone said
he had been programming for 10 years,

"Did you have ten years of experience, or one year of experience ten
times over?"

I have heard that bit of nonsense for years. It gets trotted out
when someone claims experience. Oddly, I have not heard it used
outside of IT.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Ed Cryer]

I have heard that bit of nonsense for years. It gets trotted out
when someone claims experience. Oddly, I have not heard it used
outside of IT.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

I've never heard it stated in those terms before, but now that I have it
seems highly laudable.
Stuck in a rut; going nowhere; treading water; drinking at the same
stream again. There are endless variations on it.
And there are things like; moving on; building on experience; climbing
the ladder; allowing change.

Ed

 

[Ken Blake]

I have heard that bit of nonsense for years. It gets trotted out
when someone claims experience. Oddly, I have not heard it used
outside of IT.

I don't think it's a bit of nonsense. I think it applies to many
people. I've never asked the question when interviewing someone, but
I've often thought it of people I was interviewing (and didn't hire).

 

[G. Morgan]

Yes, as far as it will go (I don't know how far that is). Or you could
use a third party partition manager. AFAIK, they don't honor the
Microsoft restriction.

EaseUS, Partition Magic, and Partition Manager come to mind.

That is true. I use AOMEI Partition Manager and it reboots to move the
files.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

I don't think it's a bit of nonsense. I think it applies to many
people. I've never asked the question when interviewing someone, but
I've often thought it of people I was interviewing (and didn't hire).

It has some validity, but all too often, I hear it used as a
putdown. e.g. "You don't know much about SQL Server." "I've used it
for five years." "Is that five years of experience or one year of
experience five times?" The discussion never gets to what the person
actually can do.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

It has some validity, but all too often, I hear it used as a
putdown. e.g. "You don't know much about SQL Server." "I've used it
for five years." "Is that five years of experience or one year of
experience five times?" The discussion never gets to what the person
actually can do.

Actually, what you quote sounds to me like the discussion *started* with
"what the person actually can do"...

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

Actually, what you quote sounds to me like the discussion *started* with
"what the person actually can do"...

It was not a quote but just an example. No, in that case, it was
an example of it not getting to what the person claiming to know SQL
Server could do.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[G. Morgan]

It has some validity, but all too often, I hear it used as a
putdown. e.g. "You don't know much about SQL Server." "I've used it
for five years." "Is that five years of experience or one year of
experience five times?" The discussion never gets to what the person
actually can do.

I've always made resumes that are *functional* rather than chronological
most use. I put my name and email address and a list of skills. I put
a small example of companies and contractors I've worked with, then it
piques their interest (or not). The ones that want to know more will
email me for an interview. When on the interview, I avoid those stupid
"trick questions" and talk tech. If the guy wants to know about my
people skills, I'll demonstrate by shifting the conversation the way I
want it to flow. At the end (after I've killed them with kindness and
baffled them with bullshit) I get an offer. Easy!